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Hanny -> RE: Captured cities should be immediate supply depots (3/22/2021 6:34:42 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Great_Ajax
Fact. The Wehrmacht did take advantage of local food supply but it was never enough to be self sufficient in Russia. The complicated part is that the Wehrmacht did not have control over the food supply and thus the bureaucracy and politics made the reality very complicated. First of all, there were quotas of food that were required to be shipped back to Germany. Second of all, the Wehrmacht didn't even have control over the railways so distribution was always a problem as well. Even with the great bounty of food that was available in 1941, the logistical constraints of delivery of this food to the front was not consistent and there were documented times of some hardship. If you wanted to recreate these supplies in the game, how would you measure how much food in tons is available for the Wehrmacht? That sounds incredibly difficult. It sounds like a problem not really worth the resources to solve. Just my opinion.
Trey
I see no reason to change anything in rule 23, which gives you something from occupation, and have yet to see what you get.
However.
Food tons available would be a function of the population, assuming standard ration weight is 3 lbs a man and 10 lbs a horse, a German 90k Corps with 14k horses requires, 1435 tons of food a week, so a city it moves through and takes from the city stocks as much as it can consume would save the logistical burden of a day as it’s now marching beyond the cities warehouses, and could be 60 miles from it by end of week, city would hold 31500 tons, so maybe a weeks worth of food in stocks, and reduce it by 200 odd tons to plundering in a day, the Corps can’t realistically take more than it could carry, so it’s forward lift capacity comes into play, it may be it has unused forward lift, it may be it does not, it may be it can only carry a days worth of with it.
The problem now is that the RR logistics now has to supply both the German Corps, and the city civilians, so instead of a weekly freight burden of 1435 for the Corp, it now has a large civilian population to feed, so its RR requirment more than doubles, so someone ends up going without, which in part is why the SU civilian loss of life was so high, Ukraine pop fell by maybe half under Nazi occupation, as Germany did not want them all to live in the first place, and could not supply its own needs in the second.
Systematic confiscation was done through the reichskomissariates, Ukraine going live in Sept 41, before then the Army was told to take what it wanted when it wanted it, Himmlers orders, Qm planning was to find 30% of its food in the East so as to free up freight for POL munitions, but I doubt it ever reached that level, so we have no real data to work from before the records stat, Koch gives the yearly tonnagetill 43, and types, and pushing a million tons of grain a year to the Armies in the East, as well as far more back to Germany, Molivisky gives the SU wartime tonnage of the same( tons of grain, potatoes, veg, meat etc) 2.5 m tons of captured grain for instance.
The real extra problem is tracking pop changes in urban hexes, and track aches food stocks consumption etc, they can only support themselves by rail imports as beyond a certain road travail time the cost to the farmer makes the trip uneconomic, so you need a mechanism of food imports to urban hex’s both by rail and road and pop changes from looting, lack of food imports etc, I see no good reason to tinker with how it works, and if you do it’s a can of worms to get it right for rather little gain.
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