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loki100 -> RE: Disbanding units that are about to be encircled - exploit? (3/27/2021 11:00:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CapAndGown

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It is precisely the issue at hand, which is saving the manpower and equipment of pocketed units by disbanding them.


its not that simple, there is an additional part to the process. Those disbands never come back, so the disbanded rifle divisions are not automatically rebuilt.

So you end up lacking unit shells to host that resource and need to invest in AP to recreate them. its not till fairly late in 1942 that the Soviets end up pretty much ignoring the AP constraint. So this will get the manpower back into units ok in say August 1941 but will leave the Soviets weaker in late 1941.



821Bobo -> RE: Disbanding units that are about to be encircled - exploit? (3/27/2021 1:49:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sillyflower

Tx Bobo, and GL vs HLYA - someone has to beat him :)


Thanks will try to do my best.



juv95hrn -> RE: Disbanding units that are about to be encircled - exploit? (3/27/2021 5:54:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: loki100


quote:

ORIGINAL: CapAndGown

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It is precisely the issue at hand, which is saving the manpower and equipment of pocketed units by disbanding them.


its not that simple, there is an additional part to the process. Those disbands never come back, so the disbanded rifle divisions are not automatically rebuilt.

So you end up lacking unit shells to host that resource and need to invest in AP to recreate them. its not till fairly late in 1942 that the Soviets end up pretty much ignoring the AP constraint. So this will get the manpower back into units ok in say August 1941 but will leave the Soviets weaker in late 1941.



So I guess this answers my earlier question?

- You might as well go ahead and disband any corps level HQs, since they will disappear anyways. (At least until the 1 AP cost is re-introduced to disband.)
- But better move, relocate and even let the Germans dislocate, or encircle and destroy the Army HQs, since they might be rebuilt and later turned into other better HQs.

As far as I can tell the Bialystok corps HQs are destined for disbandment, and no upgrades from the Commanders Report.



loki100 -> RE: Disbanding units that are about to be encircled - exploit? (3/27/2021 6:57:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juv95hrn


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So I guess this answers my earlier question?

- You might as well go ahead and disband any corps level HQs, since they will disappear anyways. (At least until the 1 AP cost is re-introduced to disband.)
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given how the upgrade/conversion process really works that is an assumption far beyond anything I'd make. For various reasons they aren't treated as transfers so till you really know the conversion sequence (& I lack the patience to ever write it down), my advice would be not to - unless you fancy playing with a lot of missing command capacity.

you can probably see which convert in the editor



juv95hrn -> RE: Disbanding units that are about to be encircled - exploit? (3/27/2021 7:14:52 PM)

Oh boy. Thats a tough one then.

When move plus relocate wont reach safety, your choice is to then let German panzers steal fuel from those straggling HQs bouncing them around when you keep them and that doesn´t sound great either.

EDIT:

"30.10.5. HQs
From T6, the at-start rifle and mechanized corps HQs start
to either disband or convert to army level HQs. The cavalry
corps HQs remain available till the end of 1941 and can be
useful for extending command ranges or simply improving
the capacity of rear area depots.
Remember you do not pay administrative points for
changing the command structure of HQs so keep your
armies and fronts logically ordered. Equally, if you are used
to WiTE1 be aware at the start a lot of Soviet HQs start
with a very low TOE and it takes quite a while to come up
to 100%. So your commanders will be less effective and its
worth retaining the handful of pre-war mobilised HQs for
your best commanders and most critical sectors.
In early 1942, you will gain a number of Reserve HQs.
Most of these will later on become normal Combined or
Tank Armies so do not disband them. Even if you assign no
units to them they can be very useful."



loki100 -> RE: Disbanding units that are about to be encircled - exploit? (3/27/2021 7:21:43 PM)

they don't get much, most of what you lose is simply destroyed so I'd not worry about that dynamic



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