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BeirutDude -> RE: Donbass Conflict heating up???? (5/11/2021 1:45:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DESRON420 quote: ORIGINAL: BeirutDude My *PERSONAL* estimation of the situation is... It's just Ukraine. There is no article. Ukraine. Yup, and that's why they were granted full membership. Georgia as well...

RoryAndersonCDT -> RE: Donbass Conflict heating up???? (5/11/2021 3:58:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BeirutDude quote: ORIGINAL: DESRON420 quote: ORIGINAL: BeirutDude My *PERSONAL* estimation of the situation is... It's just Ukraine. There is no article. Ukraine. Yup, and that's why they were granted full membership. Georgia as well... This is an interesting miscommunication, DESRON420 is objecting to the use of "the Ukraine" rather than "Ukraine". The article he is referring to is the word "the". However you are interpreting it as referring to the articles in the North Atlantic treaty, eg Article 5. I only mention this because I thought this was a neat example of miscommunication, because interpreting DESRON420's post as referring to Article 5 actually is quite a valid interpretation.

Scorpion86 -> RE: Donbass Conflict heating up???? (5/11/2021 6:23:09 PM)
Yeah, Ukrainians get annoyed when their country is referred to "the Ukraine". "Ukraine" means "borderlands". The land was so named because it was the border between Russia and the rest of Europe. So, in Russian, when you say you're in a place that has a name (a city, a country, for instance), you say "v Sankt Petersburgye", "v Parisye", "v Londonye". But when you are in open spaces, you use the article "na". When Russians speak about Ukraine, they say they are "na Ukrayinye", in the borderlands, implying it is not a country, just a space. That use was translated into english as "the Ukraine" from the russian. Ukrainians prefer people to use just "Ukraine" instead. That's what I gathered from talking to Ukrainian friends and from my 1 year of trying to learn Russian. Also, Kyiv, not Kiev, is the proper name. flies away

BeirutDude -> RE: Donbass Conflict heating up???? (5/13/2021 12:39:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Scorpion86 Yeah, Ukrainians get annoyed when their country is referred to "the Ukraine". "Ukraine" means "borderlands". The land was so named because it was the border between Russia and the rest of Europe. So, in Russian, when you say you're in a place that has a name (a city, a country, for instance), you say "v Sankt Petersburgye", "v Parisye", "v Londonye". But when you are in open spaces, you use the article "na". When Russians speak about Ukraine, they say they are "na Ukrayinye", in the borderlands, implying it is not a country, just a space. That use was translated into english as "the Ukraine" from the russian. Ukrainians prefer people to use just "Ukraine" instead. That's what I gathered from talking to Ukrainian friends and from my 1 year of trying to learn Russian. Also, Kyiv, not Kiev, is the proper name. flies away Interesting. So when I was in Lebanon I was corrected by Lebanese (multiple times) to call it "The Lebanon." Different cultures...

maverick3320 -> RE: Donbass Conflict heating up???? (5/13/2021 1:45:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BeirutDude quote: ORIGINAL: Scorpion86 Yeah, Ukrainians get annoyed when their country is referred to "the Ukraine". "Ukraine" means "borderlands". The land was so named because it was the border between Russia and the rest of Europe. So, in Russian, when you say you're in a place that has a name (a city, a country, for instance), you say "v Sankt Petersburgye", "v Parisye", "v Londonye". But when you are in open spaces, you use the article "na". When Russians speak about Ukraine, they say they are "na Ukrayinye", in the borderlands, implying it is not a country, just a space. That use was translated into english as "the Ukraine" from the russian. Ukrainians prefer people to use just "Ukraine" instead. That's what I gathered from talking to Ukrainian friends and from my 1 year of trying to learn Russian. Also, Kyiv, not Kiev, is the proper name. flies away Interesting. So when I was in Lebanon I was corrected by Lebanese (multiple times) to call it "The Lebanon." Different cultures... And closer to home, people in Ohio demand that the state's flagship university be referred to as "THE Ohio State University"...

BeirutDude -> RE: Donbass Conflict heating up???? (5/13/2021 10:18:33 PM)
quote: And closer to home, people in Ohio demand that the state's flagship university be referred to as "THE Ohio State University"... Well I did graduate from "THE Florida State University" myself. [:D] [8D] [;)]

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