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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:32:48 PM)

Turn 11 Real Turn Update

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A bit ahead of historical here.

August 31 1941 is the current date for the turn for all of these pictures.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:33:44 PM)

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Ahead here of "historical"


August 31 1941 is the current date for the turn for all of these pictures.


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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:34:24 PM)

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Mixed bag here

August 31 1941 is the current date for the turn for all of these pictures.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:35:12 PM)

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A bit ahead of Schedule here too to "historical"

August 31 1941 is the current date for the turn for all of these pictures.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:36:29 PM)

Turn 11 Real Turn Update

Center

A bit ahead of "historical"

August 31 1941 is the current date for the turn for all of these pictures.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:37:17 PM)

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South


August 31 1941 is the current date for the turn for all of these pictures.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:38:04 PM)

Turn 11 Real Turn Update

South

August 31 1941 is the current date for the turn for all of these pictures.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:38:51 PM)

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Exact as historical here it looks like for the most part. So far in this game I think overall the Germans are ahead of schedule even though I have had a tempered advance. My supply is getting better by the turn from the redundancy and really feel the Germans are capable of some pain on the Soviets if advancing correctly. Is my way the "correct" way? I don't know but has been working out for me so far in the game. Yes, the bombing is relentless but not game threatening in my opinion. I could be wrong but after my post on AS and learning things in that post I think the GA can be dealt with but that specter is still on the fence but I feel much better on how to deal with it. I will keep my eyes on it to see how it plays out.

August 31 1941 is the current date for the turn for all of these pictures.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:51:34 PM)

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I have 13 Soviet Divisions in pockets this turn. Most of the pockets "will not" hold but in the end they all will become POW's in due course. I just did not have the MP's to secure some properly. Jubjub is really good at opening them :)



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:53:13 PM)

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Air Losses

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 4:57:25 PM)

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Ground Losses

My lowest inflicted losses on the Soviets in awhile. Soviets will grow more than I like this this time :(

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 5:00:41 PM)

Turn 11

OOB

The Soviets still have 264,000 in Reserves.

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jubjub -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 5:07:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 11

OOB

The Soviets still have 264,000 in Reserves.

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Nothing I can do about that. Most of that is surrendered units returning and sucking up my manpower :( trust me, I’m bringing them to the map ASAP.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/3/2021 5:13:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jubjub


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 11

OOB

The Soviets still have 264,000 in Reserves.

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Nothing I can do about that. Most of that is surrendered units returning and sucking up my manpower :( trust me, I’m bringing them to the map ASAP.


Yes, I kind of figured that. I didn't mean to imply you were not. It is the nature of the beast during these turns for the Soviets. I am sure you are managing those reserves as well as your defense which the defense has been a pain in my arse. (meaning you have done very well in my eyes)



Stephan61 -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/4/2021 9:56:01 AM)

There is also a couple of towns down south that have a large oil production.

A question I asked weeks ago, is it a good idea to Priority Repair these, answer was dont worry as oil production etc, is just an abstract part of the game as will not increase your supply (which you will notice in the production screen is always on the limit).

Shame really as it would have added a layer to the game if you could influence the economics.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/4/2021 1:16:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Stephan61

There is also a couple of towns down south that have a large oil production.

A question I asked weeks ago, is it a good idea to Priority Repair these, answer was dont worry as oil production etc, is just an abstract part of the game as will not increase your supply (which you will notice in the production screen is always on the limit).

Shame really as it would have added a layer to the game if you could influence the economics.


That is disheartening :(



AlbertN -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/4/2021 1:30:41 PM)

I hope what of above about oil is false...

Oil and Resources should impact heavily the game definint production values and quantities; way more important than 'thickness of this or that AFV armour'.



jubjub -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/4/2021 1:39:50 PM)

The extra oil will go to your fuel factories and extend the date at which you run out of fuel. I haven't had a game go long enough to know the full impact of resources, but you can see the difference in the charts when you connect places like Krivog Roi. I imagine you'll run low on that as well at some point.



Joel Billings -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/4/2021 2:31:08 PM)

You can run low toward the end of 1942, and then again in 44-45. Capturing oil should help as you have excess fuel factory capacity. Will this impact all games? No. But depending on how the game goes and how much fuel the Axis consumes with his movement, it should make a difference.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/4/2021 2:51:26 PM)

Thank you for all the input on Oil & resources. I was in the middle of testing this and did show an increase. So now for long haul games I will further incorporate these hexes into the Reich for Germany at the earliest possible time :) I did notice that Oil takes an awful long time to repair even with multiple repair units. Anyone did an analysis of the optimum # of repair units to repair say Oil? Resources? etc?



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/4/2021 3:00:33 PM)

Test case on fixing Oil

(This is just a test and not part of ongoing AAR)

I had 8 units repairing this oil site from turn 2. The Oil site was 98% damaged turn 2. Damage went down to 15 this turn(turn 9) and went from 1,000 oil last turn to 4,000 this turn. Repair with the 8 units has been ~10 points per turn.

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Stephan61 -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/5/2021 2:17:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

You can run low toward the end of 1942, and then again in 44-45. Capturing oil should help as you have excess fuel factory capacity. Will this impact all games? No. But depending on how the game goes and how much fuel the Axis consumes with his movement, it should make a difference.


This is what was explained to me weeks ago, which I take as it has alittle effect on Oil production.... now I am confused.

"I personally file the production system into a box marked 'it does stuff' and play the rest of the game. As the Soviets its worth repairing some of the big resource sites you recapture (Nikolaev is one) so there are a few instances but in the main the system is constrained by the various production caps and usually it will produce enough of the inputs to meet those caps.

the game design from WiTE1 to WiTW has always avoided creating meaningful shortages in part as it then becomes harder to code, so more need to introduce player agency and the whole thing tips towards being a bit of an industrial management sim."



glenhope -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/6/2021 12:39:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Test case on fixing Oil

(This is just a test and not part of ongoing AAR)

I had 8 units repairing this oil site from turn 2. The Oil site was 98% damaged turn 2. Damage went down to 15 this turn(turn 9) and went from 1,000 oil last turn to 4,000 this turn. Repair with the 8 units has been ~10 points per turn.

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How many repair points did those 8 cons units have in total?



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/6/2021 10:34:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: glenhope


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Test case on fixing Oil

(This is just a test and not part of ongoing AAR)

I had 8 units repairing this oil site from turn 2. The Oil site was 98% damaged turn 2. Damage went down to 15 this turn(turn 9) and went from 1,000 oil last turn to 4,000 this turn. Repair with the 8 units has been ~10 points per turn.

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How many repair points did those 8 cons units have in total?


The base repair for Oil is 1% per turn according to the manual for Priority factory repair & up to a max of 25% total can be repair in the turn. So, from turn 9 to turn 10 the damage went from 15 to 13 with 8 construction units.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/7/2021 3:52:21 AM)

Turn 12 Beginning of Turn

"Before Thoughts on 3,000,000+ man Soviet Army"

I made a reply in another up & coming match AAR https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5083388 about the 3,000,000 Soviet Army. (Check out RedJohn's AAR and give both players lots of support :) Anyway, RedJohn made a very good rebuttal and I just wanted to entertain my side side in an actual game. Of course it is going to be my game since this turn Jubjub has a 3,000,000 Soviet Army under his control. Of course all players and all games are different with varying degree of success & failure. But lets see what the Soviets are capable of with 3,000,000 men in this game. I only briefly looked at the turn before resaving it and will start with play by play tomorrow on the ground phase after a good recon & study of the map.

Below is the snippet from that AAR.


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: RedJohn


But unironically - I believe 3 million men on the map and it becomes extremely difficult for the Germans to push, if they're placed well.




The above is a misconception that has grown in scope since BETA. A German that knows what he/she is doing will slice and dice you in 41 even with 3 million men or 3.5 million men.





HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/7/2021 3:57:52 AM)

Turn 12 Beginning of Turn

Here is the Beginning of Turn OOB for both sides

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/7/2021 4:01:00 AM)

Turn 12 Beginning of Turn

Just finished my Guctony turn in my other AAR here https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5076862 Will pick up this game in the morning after my conference calls. Until then "Good Night".



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/7/2021 4:27:20 AM)

Turn 12 Beginning of Turn

OH! For those curious about 10th PZ I did fill up but not all the way. I will direct you to the orange arrow why I couldn't say anything last turn about 10th PZ. I believe the Orange arrow speaks for itself since it was in front of Moscow and now?? ;-) It is in place for operations this turn. Hmmmmm, wonder what happened to the other 6 PZ Divisions I have in reserve?... (Not to mention I have 2 more as reinforcements this turn too)

Ok, now I am off to bed. Good Night.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/7/2021 12:44:44 PM)

T12 Beginning of Turn

Just want to point out in the AAR, for future readers, that currently there are bugs in the Air War and will list the links here for all that want to read them if they have not already.

Here is the link to one on GS https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5082474

Here is the link to the issues for AS here https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5082494

Here is the link to GA issues https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5075705

Here is the link to Flak issues https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5082054

Also German Air bases in the Soviet Union gain Soviet stats for the airbase not German. This further exacerbates German problems in the Air war.

As you can see there are some issues that will be addressed in future patches in the Air War but I am going to go ahead and trudge forward knowing this to have a bearing in the eventual outcome of the Air War :(




HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub (10/7/2021 12:48:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

T12 Beginning of Turn

Just want to point out in the AAR, for future readers, that currently there are bugs in the Air War and will list the links here for all that want to read them if they have not already.

Here is the link to one on GS https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5082474

Here is the link to the issues for AS here https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5082494

Here is the link to GA issues https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5075705

Also German Air bases in the Soviet Union gain Soviet stats for the airbase not German. This further exacerbates German problems in the Air war.

As you can see there are some issues that will be addressed in future patches in the Air War but I am going to go ahead and trudge forward knowing this to have a bearing in the eventual outcome of the Air War :(




If I missed any of the issues please be kind to let me know to link them to the post above. The Air war was impacted this last turn because of the above issues.



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