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Nomad -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/24/2021 9:09:58 PM)
The Inf unit will pursue, just not as fast as the armor ones.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/25/2021 1:35:53 AM)
Very good. Thanks, Nomad.

RangerJoe -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/25/2021 2:05:13 AM)
If you can, get your armoured regiments to pursue the Allies into Singapore along with a division or more. The armoured units should make it right away and then you don't have a shock attack. The division should show up the next turn in case there is a counter attack.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/25/2021 12:11:17 PM)
Joe, you're sneaky! Good idea!

btd64 -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/25/2021 12:24:37 PM)
As the allies I like to get Adak Island asap. It's a good sub base....GP

RangerJoe -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/25/2021 12:51:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli Joe, you're sneaky! Good idea! Actually, I read it in another AAR. But by following the armoured force with an infantry division, that should wreck any counter attack while also keeping the armour pretty much intact for an attack. Those armoured forces alone can reduce the fortifications but are better off supported by infantry divisions with their engineer forces as well as the artillery.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/25/2021 1:08:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: btd64 As the allies I like to get Adak Island asap. It's a good sub base....GP Exactly why I want it. [;)]

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/25/2021 1:10:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli Joe, you're sneaky! Good idea! Actually, I read it in another AAR. But by following the armoured force with an infantry division, that should wreck any counter attack while also keeping the armour pretty much intact for an attack. Those armoured forces alone can reduce the fortifications but are better off supported by infantry divisions with their engineer forces as well as the artillery. In my testing, the Aussies always retreated to Johore Bahru. About 50% of the time the 4 armor units would win that battle the next day, cutting Malaya from Singapore.

RangerJoe -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/25/2021 2:45:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli Joe, you're sneaky! Good idea! Actually, I read it in another AAR. But by following the armoured force with an infantry division, that should wreck any counter attack while also keeping the armour pretty much intact for an attack. Those armoured forces alone can reduce the fortifications but are better off supported by infantry divisions with their engineer forces as well as the artillery. In my testing, the Aussies always retreated to Johore Bahru. About 50% of the time the 4 armor units would win that battle the next day, cutting Malaya from Singapore. Yes, but the armour can also cut the grey road / railroad hex to the west. Then a massive army can march on Jahore Bahru with the armour and an infantry division in reserve with pursuit for the attack. Don't forget, if you don't capture Singkawang with paratroopers that a Fast Transport will do so and look like a SCTF - which it then becomes. You can even have it going somewhere else with a midway stopping point at Singakawang to drop off the troops including air support. Then the Betties and Nells can fly from there. If they are set on 1000 feet with torpedoes, with no torpedoes available they can and will carry a full bomb load on a Low Naval attack at 1000 feet. The only thing is, the POW and Repulse are not bothered much by those bombs but everything else is and you have that many more chances to hit.

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/26/2021 7:11:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli Updated thoughts on R&D: Oscar to IIIa. 3 R&D will remain R&D. Tojo to IIc. 6 R&D, 4 will remain R&D. Frank to r. 12 R&D, 9 will remain R&D. Ki-83. 12 R&D. ? will remain R&D depending on when it becomes operational. Helen to IIa. 1 R&D will remain R&D. Dinah NF. 3 R&D will remain R&D. Patsy. 0 R&D, will eventually have 6 R&D. Peggy (T). 0 R&D, will eventually have 6 R&D. Ki-115. 0 R&D, will eventually have 6 R&D. Sam. 12 R&D. ? will remain R&D depending on when it becomes operational. George to K1. 12 R&D, 9 will remain R&D. Rufe to A6M5c. 4 R&D will remain R&D. Judy to Y4. 3 R&D will remain R&D. Grace. 3 R&D, 1-2 will remain R&D. Jill to B6N2. 3 R&D, 1-2 will remain R&D. Myrt NF. 3 R&D, ? will remain R&D depending on when it becomes operational. Shinden. 0 R&D, will eventually have 12 R&D. Francis. 0 R&D, will eventually have 3 R&D. Toka. 0 R&D, will eventually have 6 R&D. Until it changes later. [;)] Edit: Forgot the George. Mike, following your discussion closely. Always very informative.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/28/2021 10:47:03 PM)
8 Dec 41 Sub War The I-18, starting the war with the mass of subs off the coast of Hawaii, was on its way to its new assignment and ran into 2 different TFs off Pearl Harbor: DD MacDonough DD Selfridge DD Conyngham DD Ralph Talbot AD Dobbin AR Medusa AK Castor DD Schley DD Litchfield DD Allen DD Aylwin AVD Hulbert DM Pruitt DM Montgomery DMS Boggs AM Vireo PC Taney PC Reliance PC Tiger DM Sicard She launched a couple torpedoes at the AVD, but they missed. Wonder where they�re going? There are still 3 subs hauling midget subs. One will drop its cargo at Johnston Island tomorrow and the other two will drop their midgets at Midway and Christmas Islands the day after. Let�s see if they do anything� [sm=innocent0001.gif] Finally, The I-124 had a field day, sort of. She dropped her mines at Lubang, 2 hexes SW of Manila and stayed there. Two single ships entered the hex and she sank them both with gunfire (they were xAKLs). Later in the day, a TF of 3 AMs entered the hex clearing a handful of mines. She torpedoed and sank one of them. Not much in the grand scheme of things, but every little bit helps. [8\|] 5 Fleet The Adak invasion TF will finish loading supplies tomorrow. Then it is a 7 day trek to Adak. I did buy out 90 Regiment, spending most of my PPs. It�s broken down into its 3 battalions. They will liberate/garrison Adak, Unmak and Dutch Harbor. There are no fast xAPs available in the Home Islands right now, but they will get some Tohos, as soon as some are available after converting to the to troop carriers in the next few days. 4 Fleet Nothing happened today. KB is headed toward Wake Island (2.5 days out) and is still spotted. SE Fleet Nothing happened here today either. The Replenishment TF arrived at Truk and is refilling its AOs and will wait for KB to arrive. SRA There was lots of action here, which is a good thing. The Allied thundering herd let loose. There are Allied ships all over the place. Luzon first. Vigan converted to Japanese control before the attack could happen. An AS battalion (24 AS) is on ground and a Base Force will land tomorrow, which will bring the AS to 72. I now have stationed there 31 Zeros, 31 Anns, 3 Vals and 9 recon. The Zeros are splitting their sorties between CAP and Escort. It�s much better than having to fly from Formosa. Lingayen was liberated, as expected. About half the Allied division was destroyed and the rest has to be in pretty poor shape. I had less than a dozen disabled squad with little fatigue. There was a large fighter duel over Clark Field. My 27 Zeros were drastically outnumbered by 53 enemy fighters. When it was all said and done, 10 P35s, 6 P-40Bs and 9 P-40Es were shot down for a loss of 6 Zeros (and their pilots). Later in the day, 42 Betties hit Clark field moderately damaging the airfield for a loss of 2 bombers. I don�t like using IJN bombers against land targets, but it�s a necessity early in the war. I see troops moving in the south moving toward Manila. I also see troops in Iba and Manila moving toward Clark Field. There are also troops moving from Clark to Bataan! Is he withdrawing to Bataan already? I doubt it, but time will tell. 16 Division (-) is 4 days out from Mauban. The remainder of the division is Miura Kimura Dets. Miura Det is 2 days out from Legaspi and Kimura Det is 3 days out from Antimonan. Finally, 56 Division (-) is about a week out from Lingayan. On Mindanao, Davao was easily taken, pushing the Philippine defenders south, where they will starve. I now have stationed there 9 Claudes and 6 Jakes, for naval search in the area. My next invasion of Mindanao is two pronged. The 146 Regiment (remainder of 56 Division) is loading at Babeldaob and will land at Butuan. At Pescadores, 4 & 7 Tank Regiments are leaving and will arrive at Butuan (tentatively) in 6 days. This should be enough force to liberate Mindanao. There was an interesting situation at Jolo. Yesterday, the two invasion fleets had arrived and dropped off their troops and a little supply, and the cover force of 2 CA, 1 CL and 5 DD were also there to cover the landings, in case Boise, Houston and the Marblehead TF got frisky. It turned out Boise was 1 hex away, Houston was 2 hexes away and the Marblehead TF was ~6 hexes away. I pulled the two invasion TFs out to protect them and left the CA TF there to hopefully ambush some of the US ships. Mike didn�t take my bait, unfortunately. I successfully liberated Jolo, but there is little supply there. My TFs are moving back tomorrow to unload more supply. The CA TF will remain there to cover them. All of the US warships have fled. I can no longer see them but that will change tomorrow. I now have stationed at Jolo 9 Zeros, 9 Nells, 3 Mabels(!) and 18 Mavis. The Mavis flying boats will now spot anything in the central SRA and the dozen bombers will bomb all the fleeing rats coming out of all the port in the area. I have 24 engineers there but have decided not to increase the airfield from level 3 to 4. By the time that happens, the war will have moved on. If Mike decides to try and intervene, he�ll have to contend with 2 CAs and a dozen bombers. Until I get good intel on where the US warships are, I�m putting on hold my small invasions of Namlea and Ternate. They don�t have any warship support down there. I expect the flying boats to locate the ships tomorrow. If they�re far enough away, I�ll proceed with those invasions. I had an invasion that had me scratch my head during the replay. I invaded Itbayat Island (a couple hexes south of Formosa). At first I thought it was some weird mistake, but finally realized it�s a Fast Transport TF dropping off an SNLF company to start cleaning up the dot hexes scattered all over. I have another such TF forming up and will probably employ 1 or 2 more to clean up. My small invasion of Puerto Princesa was disrupted a bit. After they had landed their troops and some supply, 4 old US DDs showed up. I suspect Mike didn�t expect the invasion force to be escorted by CA Chokai. The US 4-stackers managed to sink an xAKL and damage a PB and TB in exchange for the loss of John D. Ford and damage to Pope. The base was easily liberated by the Naval Guard. Singkawang posed another potential issue. I saw that Force Z, reinforced by the CL Danae, was only 2 hexes SW of Singkawang. I had no heavy warships there, and didn�t want to risk my two invasion fleets. The troops had landed, but little supply had landed with them. I was easily able to liberate the base. I detached an xAKL to stay and unload its supply, but the two invasion fleets fled N and NE, just in case. My concerns were realized when they showed up that night. xAKL Raizan Maru took 48(!) shell hits before sinking. Force Z had to have used a lot of ammo sinking that little ship. They are now 4 hexes to the SW, among a horde of other ships fleeing the area. I�m sending back a couple of cargo ships escorted by a PB to drop off 2k supply. I�m willing to risk them should Force Z come back. The rest of the invasion TFs will return to port for Phase II. Singkawang now has 18 Zeros and 27 Betties ready to hit the shipping in the area. I am also increasing the airfield there from level 3 to 4. Oh yeah, Mike left a little present in the form of mines there. I�m sending 3 DMS from Mersing to clear them. The potential loss of the DMS is the biggest risk I�m taking here should Force Z return. Mersing was an outstanding success! The Aussie brigade was soundly trashed. My 2 tank regiments and 2 recon regiments successfully pursued the Aussies to Johore Bahru. They will shock attack tomorrow. The 5 and 18 Divisions are marching to the sound of the guns along with artillery, engineers (most of them) and AS. I�m keeping behind 3 independent engineer regiments and 24 AS at Mersing. Their mission is to build up the airfield to level 2 (currently at 0). I want fighters down there should the shock attack at Johore Bahru fail. I have a Naval Guard marching west to Malacca to keep the CW army in Northern Malaya from pushing south. In addition, there are a couple of infantry battalions in the north. One landed at Patani and is marching south and the second is going to land at Kota Bharu in 2 days. The 6 RTA division is marching south toward Alor Star and the IG Division and 14 Tank Regiment are railing to Singora where they will provide the muscle in the push south. Kaga is still unspotted in the middle of the South China Sea. She is headed to the hex directly NW of Puerto Princesa. Ryujo is still trying to catch up with Kaga and was caught by 8 MTBs (British) in a night attack. Ryujo�s escorts successfully shielded the carrier, and one MTB and drove the others off. Later in the day, 4 Fubukis caught the 7 surviving MTBs and sank them. Six US PT boats had a successful attack on the Lingayen invasion force sinking 2 and damaging 1 xAK. Unfortunately, the two ships that were sunk were Kyushus. The PT boats got away, but are still in the hex. I have a TF of a CL and 4 DDs that are going there to clean out the PT boats tomorrow. Burma Nothing going on here yet, but I did spot the AVG at Rangoon. China I mistakenly set my Hong Kong invasion force to march instead of having them follow the 38 Division. Just about everyone is in Hong Kong except the 38 Division. The division is only 1 mile out, but I can�t attack until they show up. I�m having the artillery (6 units) bombard. If Mike suspects something and attacks, the 38 Division will be in the hex in combat mode. I hope he does. That will hasten their departure. [:'(] Mike used his bombers against Pescadores this time (3x A29A and 5x DB3M-1). Four Zeros and 7 Nates rose against them shooting down one of each flak getting another DB3M-1. It was a port attack and it was unsuccessful. Let�s see where he tries tomorrow. Not much else happening there yet. Still maneuvering� Other Stuff Nothing much.

RangerJoe -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/29/2021 2:26:24 AM)
If you wait at Jahore Bahru for infantry, let the infantry attack with your armoured units in Reserve (Pursuit) mode. If the attack is successful, then the armoured units follow the Aussies to Singapore with no shock attack. If you can also have an infantry division in reserve mode, they can be there on the second day with no shock attack.

btd64 -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/29/2021 10:25:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe If you wait at Jahore Bahru for infantry, let the infantry attack with your armoured units in Reserve (Pursuit) mode. If the attack is successful, then the armoured units follow the Aussies to Singapore with no shock attack. If you can also have an infantry division in reserve mode, they can be there on the second day with no shock attack. Good tactic....GP

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/29/2021 12:21:03 PM)
Yep, it is a good tactic. Unfortunately, the turn is already back to Mike. If the armored attack tomorrow isn't successful, I'll have the option to try it again. It'll have to wait a bit because the two infantry divisions are just beginning to march from Mersing.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/29/2021 3:58:33 PM)
Been digging a little deeper into the cargo ship situation. Here's the plan for them: Kyushu (30): Fast resources/oil hauler Yusen A (7): Fast AK troop carrier Yusen S (11): Fast AK troop carrier Yusen N (57): Moderately fast resources/oil hauler Husimi (25): "Fast" (14 kt) cargo hauler, 8-10 AR in June 42, a few in reserve Toho (53+3 reinforcement): "Fast" frontline troop hauler Ansyu-C (~106): PB, escort and fast transport Lima (46): AKE (8 currently building), AKV (6-9 will build in Feb 42), remainder in reserve Aden (189): Primary cargo hauler Ehime (58): General cargo hauler Akasi (57): Cargo hauler and troop carrier - this is an even more effective troop carrier than the Toho! Gozan (58): Frontline cargo/troop hauler Miyati (57): Frontline cargo/troop hauler Kasu-D (46): Frontline cargo/troop hauler Daigen (67): Frontline cargo/troop hauler Kiso-E (??): PB, ACM To'su (??): PB, ACM Std-A (51 to build): Convert to TK Std-B (17 to build): Convert to TK Std-C (17 +18 to build): Convert to TK

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/29/2021 4:01:04 PM)
I'm forming my Toho and Akasi troop carriers into "divisions" of 2 of a cargo class + 1 Ansyu PB. 3 ships at a 14 Kt speed and each division has a total tonnage of 10,330. It'll fit in a size 2 port!

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/29/2021 5:10:42 PM)
Ok, tankers... Here's what we start with: Tonan Whalers: 5, capacity 15,350 (+2170 cargo) Type-N TL: 8, capacity 12,800 Type-1 TL: 8, capacity 11,600 Manzyu TM: 13, capacity 7950 Type-1 TS: 31, capacity 1250 Here's what I still have set to build. (No, I don't expect to build them all.): Type-1 TL: 19 Type-1 TM: 30, capacity 8150 Type-2 TL: 16, capacity 10,800 Std-A: 20, capacity 5785 Std-C: 23, capacity 2850 Add to that the following cargo ships that I plan on building and converting to TK: Std-A: 51 Std-B: 17 Std-C: 35 (+17 available at game start) Why so many smaller tankers, you ask? There are a lot of smaller ports that produce oil/fuel. Those large tankers either won't fit or would take forever to fill. The smaller TKs will move the oil/fuel to a hub (Singapore and either Babeldaob or Davao, maybe somewhere else) and the large tankers would go from there to the Home Islands. I will also convert some of the large TKs to AOs. Their capacity goes down, but it gives more options.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/29/2021 5:40:48 PM)
Ship production: I'm thinking of doing things a little differently this time around. I'm shutting off Shinano tomorrow (forgot about her). That's 157 points. Normal procedure. I like the Yamato and Musashi, and will build them, but I'm going to shut off Yamato until she coincides with when Musashi is built, 1 Dec 42. That'll give me an additional 233 points a day for 194 days. Combined, that's 390 extra points per day for 194 days. That'll allow me to expedite 2 Unryu class CVs a day leaving an additional 51 points for other uses (4-5 DDs). Concerning carriers in general, I'm keeping all of the CVs and CVLs (except Shinano). I'm only going to accelerate the 6 Unryus in this order: Unryu, Amagi and Katsuragi first, then Kasagi, Also and Ikoma. Then Taiho. Then maybe Shinano, maybe. I'm not going to accelerate Shoho, Junyo, Hiyo or Ryuho at all. Let them come when they come. Not sure about Ibuki. She has no assigned air units, but she does carry torpedoes. We'll see. CVEs: I'm taking Unyo, Chuyo, Kaiyo and Shinyo. The other 4 aren't worth it because of the small number of planes they carry. I may accelerate some, but only because they use merchant points. Cruisers: I'm taking all of them, but won't accelerate them. DDs: I'm taking every one and will spend any extra naval points accelerating them. We need every one we can get! APD: I'll take them as they come. Nice for moving small amounts of troops around at a decent speed (22 kt). xAP: I'll take them all. xAK: I have 107 still producing. They are: 1 To'su, 3 Toho, 51 Std-A, 17 Std-B, 35 Std-C. I shut off everything starting 1 Oct 44 and will probably shut some of these off too. AO: I'm currently taking them all, but may shut some of them off later. TK: Discussed earlier. I still have 108 of them building but that will decrease depending on future events (how successful the Allied sub campaign is). SS: I shut off 47 subs, mainly the really crappy ones that enter late war and some of the low end SSTs. I really like subs. Early in the war they are pretty effective and later in the war they have great eyes and still can pick off cripples. Aux: I'm building all but the 3 AGs. Minecraft: I'm building all 32 of them. They all have their uses. Patrol: I'm building all 560 of them. We need all the ASW we can get. I consider them torpedo magnets late in the war. Landing ships: I'm building the 3 LSDs and all 50 LSTs. Nice for moving stuff in small quantities. So, there you have it.

jdsrae -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/29/2021 10:17:05 PM)
What about AV AS AD AG AGP conversions? I�m into mid Mar 44 now and even with some whole xAK classes converted I�ve still got lots of xAK and nearly all xAP sitting in port keeping their paint work looking fresh. I�ve only just started using the xAP to deploy reinforcement ground troops, as the No. E classes are nearly quick enough to keep up with them! One of them just got hit by a USN sub but it survived to limp into Tarakan for an extended stay.

RangerJoe -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (9/30/2021 1:57:46 AM)
If you convert to To'su to the CMc first, it can lay mines then you can convert it to something else. If there is a minesweeper of some sort, the Ansyu-c PBs can form a minesweeping TF. If you control the port and one of those hits a mine, it will usually survive and disband into the port. AMcs can disband into the port and need not be in a TF to do the job.

Tanaka -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/2/2021 10:19:36 AM)
Mike you got your Dixie picture back! Thanks for all of the JFB tips over the years with all of your posts! As the others say your original AAR is what got everything clicking for me learning to play as Japan in WITPAE. Finally starting my first WIPTAE Japan PBEM after all of these years and your AAR has been my guide along with many of your other posts. Now I am thrilled to see you guys both doing a new AAR. Will be following closely! So many more great tips here from you and the other forum vets! Thank you again for all of your posts and input over the years and Banzai! [&o]

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/4/2021 5:00:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jdsrae What about AV AS AD AG AGP conversions? I�m into mid Mar 44 now and even with some whole xAK classes converted I�ve still got lots of xAK and nearly all xAP sitting in port keeping their paint work looking fresh. I�ve only just started using the xAP to deploy reinforcement ground troops, as the No. E classes are nearly quick enough to keep up with them! One of them just got hit by a USN sub but it survived to limp into Tarakan for an extended stay. Different ideas about the conversions you mentioned. Last game, I made a lot of those conversions, and most of those ships ended up sitting in port somewhere rarely used. Here are my thoughts for this game. AV: I will convert some, maybe a dozen or so as I need them. I'll keep some in reserve and convert as I pull them out. AS: Same as AV. AD, AG, AGP: I doubt I'll convert any. If I need some, I'll convert some. Most just sat in port and really didn't do much. I'm going to have several (6 possibly) TFs of 2 AKE, 2 AR, 1 AD, 1 AG that will be posted where needed. That's instead of having groups of 2 AR or 2 AKE and a bunch of everything else scattered at ports where they might be needed. I will still have AS in places where I station my subs. Last game, I tried to horde my xAPs. Not this time. They're being used for invasions as much as possible. My thought this time is, why not use them while I can invade? By 1944, whatever is left will be used to transport troops to locations behind the front line. I station AS in places I like to station my subs: Etorofu, Adak (depending on the situation in the Aleutians), Kwajalein, Truk, Rabaul, Georgetown, a couple places in southern SRA.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/4/2021 5:13:53 PM)
9 Dec 41 Sub War LOTS of action today, mainly between Singapore and Batavia. I-122 off Muntok: Put a torpedo into TK Semiramis, leaving her burning furiously and heavily damaged. No report of her sinking. I-153 off Pontianak: Two torpedoes and 6 shells into TK Manvantara. Sinking sounds heard immediately after the attack. I-154 near Pontianak: Six shells into an xAKL. I-155 SW of Singapore: Two torpedoes into the same xAKL I-154 just shelled sinking her. I-122 off Muntok: One torpedo into TK Strix. Sinking sounds heard immediately after. I-155 off Billiton: Seven shells into an xAKL, and received 3 shell hits in return. Damage was slight at 2-2-0-0. I-121 NE of Batavia: A torpedo into xAK Silverbeech heavily damaging her. Sinking sounds heard right after. I-154 near Billiton: One shell into an xAKL leaving her with heavy fires. 5 Fleet The Adak invasion force finally finished loading at Ominato and left port. The invasion is in 7 days. 4 Fleet KB is 8 hexes west of French Frigate Shoals and is still being snooped by Allied Cats. It�s 2 days out of Wake, as is the Wake invasion force. Tabiteuea was invaded and taken in a shock attack. I�ll leave the NG there and drop off a small engineer company to build up some forts. A midget sub attempted to penetrate the port of Johnston Island but grounded and was lost. Two left� There are little invasion forces moving around, but it�s the usual stuff. I�ll mention it as it happens. SE Fleet I did some poor planning with 4 Division (the Pt. Moresby invasion force). I�m using xAPs for the invasion, and I�m still short one to do the invasion. Basically, 4 Division is still sitting in Osaka. That last xAP (2 actually) will arrive tomorrow and will begin loading. Then they�ll start the long trek to Pt. Moresby. That�s a 10 day trip. So, I hope to have Pt. Moresby (first time ever!) around Christmas. The Kavieng invasion force is 2 days out. The Shortlands Islands invasion force is about a week out. It�s still loading. The Rabaul invasion force (144 Regiment & 15 BF) is 8 days out, as is the Gasmata invasion force. I may hold off on Gasmata�s TF a couple of days depending on what is in the area. KB will be in the area by then, so that should clear out the enemy surface ships (one way or another). A big change I�m doing is pushing more AS and engineers to this AO earlier than ever before. The 11 Air Fleet HQ is destined for Gasmata, where it can cover many air bases so I can move my Nells and Betties around and still have torpedo availability. At a minimum, I plan on having level 4+ airfields at Kavieng, Manus, Rabaul, Gasmata, Lae, Buna, Pt. Moresby, Shortlands Islands, Milne Bay and Kiriwina Island (dot hex 2 hexes NE of Milne Bay). That will create a nice net of airfields as a bastion in this area. 23 Air Flotilla (90 Zeros, 54 Betties, 15 Babs) reinforced with some flying boats, and 5 Air Division (78 fighters, 58 2E bombers, 61 1E bombers, 24 recon), plus additional reinforcement air units later. I also have the Mutsu, Yamashiro, 4 Aobas and some CLs and DDs headed down here for support, along with KB. SRA Six US PT boats attempted to engage an invasion fleet at San Fernando, but both evaded. I suspect the PT boats were out of torpedoes. One of my numerous, small clean-up TFs (3 DD) sank an xAKL 2 hexes SW of Swatow. She was probably running from Hong Kong. Another small TF (CL, 4 DD) sank xAK Hanyang a couple hexes NW of Laoag. Then they found an xAKL and put her under. Then, at Lingayan, they engaged 3 US Q boats sinking 1. Minesweepers cleared the mines out of Merak and Singkawang. Four DDs took out xAK Capillo just west of the island of Panay. From now on, I�ll just list what was sunk from the Allied ships doing a nice impersonation of rats fleeing a sinking ship. No sweeps anywhere in Luzon unfortunately, but a sentai of 27 Anns hit the 11 PA Division at San Fernando (cut off from the main US Army). They were escorted by 15 Zeros and attacked by 5x P35, 4x P-40B and 14x P-40E. The end result was 2 P35 and 4 P-40E shot down for the loss of a Zero and 4 Anns, with another 2 Anns lost after the attack. I still see 58 enemy fighters split among Clark Field, Manila and Bataan. For the second day in a row, none of my 117 Nells/Betties stationed in Formosa flew even though they were set to naval attack and had multiple targets in range. And yes, they all have some planes on naval search. Kaga and Ryujo finally merged and did their bit, though inefficiently. Kaga sent 25 Vals against AO Trinity sinking her with 13 hits! Then Kaga sent 27 Kates (with torpedoes!) against xAK Yu Sang, sinking her with 3 hits. Sigh Finally, Zuiho�s 12 Kates launched torpedoes against AM Quail and Whippoorwill, sinking them both. The dozen Nells and Mabels at Jolo didn�t launch because supply there is low. Why is supply low? Good question. There are ships there with 49k supply that unloaded nothing. Maybe they�re nervous about all the fleeing cargo ships that are running past Jolo. I even have a surface fleet of 2 CA, 1 CL and 6 DD there protecting the base. I split off a small group of cargo ships and docked it in port hoping they drop off some supply tomorrow. Three Vildebeests (from Hong Kong) snuck in at Lingayan and torpedoed a damaged Toho class sinking her. An xAKL succumbed to her wounds from old 155 mm gunfire at Lingayan also. The RAF split their fighters pretty evenly between Georgetown and Singapore (40+ each). I decided to focus on the fighters at Georgetown, because I have >150 fighters stationed at Singora and Patani. About 100 were set to sweep and then the bombers were set to go in, to kill damaged fighters on the ground and trash the airfield. First, 18 Zeros went in shooting down 7 for the loss of a Zero. Then, a sentai of Nates went in driving off the remaining 3 fighters and the last Nate went in finding nothing. Some 136 bomber sorties dropped their loads unhindered, trashing the airfield and destroying 2 fighters on the ground while damaging another 10. I now see no fighters at Georgetown. (Maybe damaged fighters don�t show up?) Georgetown�s detection level is 9/10. Today�s losses show 10 Buffalos (37 total) and 2 Blenheim IFs (4 total). The RAF (along with some Aussies and New Zealanders) struck back with several piecemeal attacks: 9 Hudsons over Mersing: 3 shot down, no damage done. 4 Blenheim IB, 2 Wirraway, 23 Vildebeasts over Mersing: 5 Vildebeasts shot down + 1 flak loss. DD Murakumo was hit by a torpedo � 6-45(34)-19(11)-0. She�s still able to go fast enough to escort the last of the Mersing invasion ships, that will leave for home tomorrow. Mersing has 62k supply, which is sufficient for now, hopefully for the duration. There is still 66k supply on ships in this final TF and the other TFs that have already left. I need to start preparing for Phase II and need the ships to do it. 7 Swordfish over Mersing: 4 shot down and the remaining 3 lost to flak. Nice shootin�, Tex! The four Japanese armored units (2 tank regiments and 2 recon regiments) attempted a shock attack at Johore Bahru: Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 3565 troops, 6 guns, 316 vehicles, Assault Value = 209 Defending force 8499 troops, 104 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 196 Japanese adjusted assault: 219 Allied adjusted defense: 97 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 252 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 25 (3 destroyed, 22 disabled) Allied ground losses: 741 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 82 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 41 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 25 (4 destroyed, 21 disabled) Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled) Assaulting units: 5th Recon Regiment 1st Tank Regiment 22nd Recon Regiment 6th Tank Regiment Defending units: 27th Australian Brigade 22nd Australian Brigade 2nd Argylls Battalion 5/2nd Punjab Battalion 1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment 29 Battery/3 HAA III Indian Corps 30 Battery/3 HAA 11 Battery/3 HAA 112th RAF Base Force 111th RAF Base Force I lost a tank and a MG squad with another 22 combat squads disabled. My average disruption is 9 and average fatigue is 20. I�m trying again tomorrow with another shock attack. I�m hoping that the 82 disabled infantry squads is close to accurate and that I can do it this time. By the way, that pursuing infantry regiment is 14 miles from Johore Bahru. The rest of the army is 33 miles away. I dropped some paratroopers on Victoria point in a failed attempt to take it. I�ll try again tomorrow. Victoria Point is necessary for the capture of Pt. Blair. I have an infantry battalion and AS battalion marching there (still 27 miles out � 2 days march). Once I take Victoria point, I�ll move the remainder of the paratroopers there (if that isn�t already done). Then I�ll fly some transports in and do the drop on Pt. Blair. I�ll eventually move an infantry regiment/brigade as a garrison along with some AS and station some Zeros, Betties and flying boats there. It�s a nice place to help guard the Burma western flank. Burma The AVG is still showing up at Rangoon. China About 95 Japanese bomber sorties hit Hong Kong, along with a ground bombardment there in preparation for tomorrow�s ground assault by 38 Division. Other Stuff I am slowly building up my R&D factories to size 30. I do several a day as supply allows. Not much else going on at the moment.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/4/2021 5:17:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe If you convert to To'su to the CMc first, it can lay mines then you can convert it to something else. If there is a minesweeper of some sort, the Ansyu-c PBs can form a minesweeping TF. If you control the port and one of those hits a mine, it will usually survive and disband into the port. AMcs can disband into the port and need not be in a TF to do the job. Yeah, you've mentioned the To'su to CMc conversion before. That seems a bit gamey to me and anyway, I convert all my To'sus in port (along with the Kisos and Ansyu-Cs) right at the beginning of the game so it's already a done deal (for now). I didn't know that about the Ansyu. They're a pretty hot commodity for me, as escorts, occasional ASW, and fast transports.

rustysi -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/4/2021 5:48:19 PM)
quote: you've mentioned the To'su to CMc conversion before. That seems a bit gamey to me AFAIK, this was instituted intentionally by one of the dev's. Its been a while and I forget why. The mine involved is the weakest in the Japanese arsenal, and as we all know a detected minefield is rather ineffective. Ultimately its use is up to you and Mike.

rustysi -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/4/2021 5:49:50 PM)
As to the Dec 9 turn, I see you're employing the old 'death by a thousand cuts' routine.[:D]

rustysi -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/4/2021 6:11:23 PM)
quote: Different ideas about the conversions you mentioned. Last game, I made a lot of those conversions, and most of those ships ended up sitting in port somewhere rarely used. Here are my thoughts for this game. AV: I will convert some, maybe a dozen or so as I need them. I'll keep some in reserve and convert as I pull them out. AS: Same as AV. AD, AG, AGP: I doubt I'll convert any. If I need some, I'll convert some. Most just sat in port and really didn't do much. I'm going to have several (6 possibly) TFs of 2 AKE, 2 AR, 1 AD, 1 AG that will be posted where needed. That's instead of having groups of 2 AR or 2 AKE and a bunch of everything else scattered at ports where they might be needed. I will still have AS in places where I station my subs. Mike, I know you're familiar with this, but I post it here as to setting up forward naval repair bases. Specifically as to section 9 where it discusses IRP,s, and how tenders add to that number. How much this could influence your decision I don't know. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2990845&mpage=1&key=101%2Cship%2Crepair%2Cguide#

mind_messing -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/4/2021 6:21:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Solli quote: ORIGINAL: jdsrae What about AV AS AD AG AGP conversions? I�m into mid Mar 44 now and even with some whole xAK classes converted I�ve still got lots of xAK and nearly all xAP sitting in port keeping their paint work looking fresh. I�ve only just started using the xAP to deploy reinforcement ground troops, as the No. E classes are nearly quick enough to keep up with them! One of them just got hit by a USN sub but it survived to limp into Tarakan for an extended stay. Different ideas about the conversions you mentioned. Last game, I made a lot of those conversions, and most of those ships ended up sitting in port somewhere rarely used. Here are my thoughts for this game. AV: I will convert some, maybe a dozen or so as I need them. I'll keep some in reserve and convert as I pull them out. AS: Same as AV. AD, AG, AGP: I doubt I'll convert any. If I need some, I'll convert some. Most just sat in port and really didn't do much. I'm going to have several (6 possibly) TFs of 2 AKE, 2 AR, 1 AD, 1 AG that will be posted where needed. That's instead of having groups of 2 AR or 2 AKE and a bunch of everything else scattered at ports where they might be needed. I will still have AS in places where I station my subs. Last game, I tried to horde my xAPs. Not this time. They're being used for invasions as much as possible. My thought this time is, why not use them while I can invade? By 1944, whatever is left will be used to transport troops to locations behind the front line. I station AS in places I like to station my subs: Etorofu, Adak (depending on the situation in the Aleutians), Kwajalein, Truk, Rabaul, Georgetown, a couple places in southern SRA. I'd maybe double your AV conversions, as I find these ships exceptionally useful in the opening stages of the war (and they tend to suffer a high attrition rate as a result), but I've recently came to appreciate them into the mid and late-game as well. They're helpful in the Central Pacific and Southwest Pacific, where airbase sizes are much smaller or largely undeveloped, in terms of keeping your airbases from being over stacked. A zero SPS dot hex can host your floatplanes, leaving room at the airbase for more fighters or bombers, and a dot base is a very unlikely target. In the longer game, I've found the AV's a useful component in an integrated ASW approach. An AV, an AG and a handful of SC's with a Jake squadron or two can act as a fairly effective fire brigade to the Allied sub menace. No assurances you'll sink anything, but it does at least keep their heads down. I've certainly found it a better alternative in 1942 onwards than building airbases to host IJA ASW air assets, as the engineers and aviation support is always in high demand at the front. It's a shame the IJ don't get the equivalent of the USN AVD hulls...

Wirraway_Ace -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/5/2021 8:18:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe If you wait at Jahore Bahru for infantry, let the infantry attack with your armoured units in Reserve (Pursuit) mode. If the attack is successful, then the armoured units follow the Aussies to Singapore with no shock attack. If you can also have an infantry division in reserve mode, they can be there on the second day with no shock attack. I thought the units had to have 1/4 of the defender's unadjusted AV to create a bridgehead. Otherwise the follow-on force shock attacks.

Mike Solli -> RE: Logistics in the Pacific - USSAmerica (A), Mike (J) (10/5/2021 12:19:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rustysi quote: you've mentioned the To'su to CMc conversion before. That seems a bit gamey to me AFAIK, this was instituted intentionally by one of the dev's. Its been a while and I forget why. The mine involved is the weakest in the Japanese arsenal, and as we all know a detected minefield is rather ineffective. Ultimately its use is up to you and Mike. Well that's interesting. Never knew that.

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