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gamer78 -> RE: Seven Years ' War (8/14/2021 11:32:41 PM)

After 7 years War's Prussian prestige and mistreatment of East Prussian population in Napoleonic War's - did add up- United German nation was necessary. Similar to northern Syria in recent years some ethnic groups think they should be united under one nation. Napoleonic armies used Eastern Prussia population as horse carriage moving supplies, during Russian campaign.



RangerJoe -> RE: Seven Years ' War (8/14/2021 11:57:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: gamer78

After 7 years War's Prussian prestige and mistreatment of East Prussian population in Napoleonic War's - did add up- United German nation was necessary. Similar to northern Syria in recent years some ethnic groups think they should be united under one nation. Napoleonic armies used Eastern Prussia population as horse carriage moving supplies, during Russian campaign.


Twenty percent (20%) of the German population has a Slavic last name.



gamer78 -> RE: Seven Years ' War (8/15/2021 12:25:16 AM)

But in those times shouldn't be much better called regional nationalism? It is still in most parts of the world. One example is Enver Pasha Army in 1915 against Russia in WW1 and Baltic States in Russian Civil War, Estonia peasants didn't look for national identity we know today. They didn't call themselves Estonian. In those times whoever is the strongest and know their culture is their representatives.



BBfanboy -> RE: Seven Years ' War (8/15/2021 6:13:04 PM)

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Trugrit: The young officer’s mistake resulted in the end of both the French and English colonial empires
in North America.


Not sure why you think this. Canada remained a British colony and expanded greatly after 1776. Even after Confederation in 1867, Canada still held the British Privy Council as the highest court in its justice system, at least until the Balfour Declaration in 1936. And it wasn't until Pierre Trudeau's governance in the 1970s that we got the British to let us have our own Bill of Rights. And we still hold a colonial system foreign Queen as our monarch because it suits us to keep some key democratic roles distant from politics. So Canada isn't a colony anymore, but vestiges of that link are still present.



BBfanboy -> RE: Seven Years ' War (8/15/2021 6:19:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: gamer78

But in those times shouldn't be much better called regional nationalism? It is still in most parts of the world. One example is Enver Pasha Army in 1915 against Russia in WW1 and Baltic States in Russian Civil War, Estonia peasants didn't look for national identity we know today. They didn't call themselves Estonian. In those times whoever is the strongest and know their culture is their representatives.

Political borders are always arbitrary. There is simply too much mixing between cultural, racial and ethnic groups to ever draw lines that encompass only one set of people and call them a nation. Japan may be the nation that comes closest to this, but there is intermixing of other groups there too - for example Okinawans do not consider themselves the same as the Japanese on the main islands.

Nationalism seems to be more about cultural (and maybe racial) identity than politically designated borders.
In the long run it seems the dilution of cultural identity allows for the greater unity of people within their political boundaries, at least for a time.



RangerJoe -> RE: Seven Years ' War (8/15/2021 7:17:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: gamer78

But in those times shouldn't be much better called regional nationalism? It is still in most parts of the world. One example is Enver Pasha Army in 1915 against Russia in WW1 and Baltic States in Russian Civil War, Estonia peasants didn't look for national identity we know today. They didn't call themselves Estonian. In those times whoever is the strongest and know their culture is their representatives.

Political borders are always arbitrary. There is simply too much mixing between cultural, racial and ethnic groups to ever draw lines that encompass only one set of people and call them a nation. Japan may be the nation that comes closest to this, but there is intermixing of other groups there too - for example Okinawans do not consider themselves the same as the Japanese on the main islands.

Nationalism seems to be more about cultural (and maybe racial) identity than politically designated borders.
In the long run it seems the dilution of cultural identity allows for the greater unity of people within their political boundaries, at least for a time.


Iceland is a nation with a well established mix of people from the British Isles and the Scandinavian countries. Now, whether or not the women from the British Isles actually want to go with those men . . .



AndySfromVA -> RE: Seven Years ' War (8/23/2021 2:55:38 PM)

The most significant contributor to nationalism is the existence of an external threat - whether real or perceived. That's why governments (usually unscrupulous, ambitious politicians) constantly point to groups of people (foreign or domestic) as threats to the existence of the motherland/fatherland.



Randomizer -> RE: Seven Years ' War (8/25/2021 5:40:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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Trugrit: The young officer’s mistake resulted in the end of both the French and English colonial empires
in North America.


Not sure why you think this. Canada remained a British colony and expanded greatly after 1776. Even after Confederation in 1867, Canada still held the British Privy Council as the highest court in its justice system, at least until the Balfour Declaration in 1936. And it wasn't until Pierre Trudeau's governance in the 1970s that we got the British to let us have our own Bill of Rights. And we still hold a colonial system foreign Queen as our monarch because it suits us to keep some key democratic roles distant from politics. So Canada isn't a colony anymore, but vestiges of that link are still present.

The Quebec Act of 1774 was a direct consequence of the Seven Year's War and a huge grievance to America's framers because it essentially granted primacy of the Catholic Church and the French Language in the former New France. The idea that London could enforce religious and linguistic laws on the colonies without their consent was intolerable and pushed them closer to revolution.

Just to be clear, Arthur Balfour was long dead in 1936 and his famous declaration of 1917 dealt with a Jewish state in Palestine, a promise made to encourage the Rothschild family to help bankroll the war effort against Imperial Germany. It had nothing whatsoever to do with Canada or any of the other white dominions, Australia, the Irish Free State, New Zealand and South Africa.

The essential piece of British legislation which gave full independence to all five was the Statute of Westminster, passed on 11 December 1931. This finally freed the Dominions and Ireland from the British Foreign Office and the Privy Counsel as it related to criminal proceedings. After the statute, Ireland begin to quickly dismantle the monarchical trappings of government and would soon declare as a republic. South Africa would use the new-found legal freedom to move farther into an apartheid society to the detriment of the Black majority. In 1939, Canada would not declare war on Nazi Germany until more than a week after the UK and there was some vigorous debate in Parliament on whether it was the right move for the country.

History's important and one should try to get it right.

-C



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