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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/7/2021 10:03:39 AM)

Updating the rest of the turn later.



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/8/2021 8:24:06 AM)

AGA:

The forward positions near Grozny are no longer tenable due to the outflanking Soviets in the north. All panzer divisions but one have been sent to the reserve or other parts of the front. The main line is going to be formed at the rough terrain and river.

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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/8/2021 8:46:17 AM)

Velikie Luki:

The attack from the last turn has commenced and the rail has been easily cut off. I need to consolidate and see his reaction to this before I make other decisions.

Southern Rzhev Salient:

With the elite SS divisions arriving from WE, I also plan to attack a thinly guarded part of the line and pocket all the divisions in this sailent.

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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/8/2021 9:11:03 AM)

Losses and Reinforcements:

Not much to note in the ground losses and air losses except that I for sure did not have 700 destroyed AFVs, so many of those damaged ones will be recovered in subsequent turns. I also suffered too many operational air losses (the penalty for using GS in bad weather) but pilot losses (pilots are very valuable in 43+) are reduced from op losses so not the biggest deal.

Seems like Tyronec also disbanded a whole bunch of units as he just got a huge MP boost while I am using all the MP I get every turn.

The red army AFV count is also draining heavily and the SS units I received bumped up my on map AFV and gave me a few units that actually use Tigers in their TOE.

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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 3:25:01 AM)

T9 - January 14, 1943

Stalingrad & Don:

Lets begin with an update on the Stalingrad cauldron and its vicinity.

The situation inside the pocket itself is stable; Tyronec hasn't really concentrated any troops to try and storm my positions. I take advantage of the situation and air transport out the most experienced infantry divisions in Stalingrad. I'm also able to get around 1500+ tons of freight each turn via air to ensure that the troops are still well supplied in the pocket.

Positions at the don are stable. I launch attritional attacks on weak rifle divisions. Also got an extra army HQ the previous turn so it'll really help with the overloaded commands I have.

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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 4:29:27 AM)

Voronezh:

Near Voronezh I'm gathering reserves and extra units to prepare for the eventual Soviet offensive in the upcoming turns. Nothing else to note except that it's obvious Tyronec is going to attack here soon with all the units he's amassing.

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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 4:44:29 AM)

Army Group A:

My units have completely set up along the frozen river and rough terrain. I'll make another stand here as long as possible to try and prevent Tyronec from getting any bonus VPs. The units in the circle will get withdrawn past the river next turn.


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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 5:08:22 AM)

Velikie Luki & Southern Rzhev:

Very happy with the results I got from launching the offensive towards the rail line, 5 Soviet guards corps have been committed to the battle and the weakened rifle divisions near Velikie Luki itself have been pushed back. This means it will be more difficult to clear up the single rail line heading towards Rzhev; extending the supply lines of the troops in the salient.

For the attack near Kaluga, I am continuing to build up my troops and prepare them for the attack. For any players who are preparing an offensive, try to place units in terrain with cover such as light woods, heavy woods, etc. This is due to the fact that the detection level is lower for units placed in these types of terrain, hopefully lowering the chance of your offensive being discovered. If Tyronec is reading this right now, I wonder if you actually had any indication of whether or not I was building up my units for an attack here. Just want to know if what I'm saying is actually working right.

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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 5:56:22 AM)

State of the Wehrmacht & Losses:

So far the winter fighting has cost me considerably. Almost all infantry divisions are understrength and not to mention that (as of turn 18, our current turn) I will lose another 100k from when the Stalingrad cauldron gets liquidated. I've also taken heavy AFV losses, though at least Tyronec has suffered as heavily as I did in terms of that regard. This turn alone he has lost over 1200 AFVs in his action phase to my 108, though most turns weren't this favourable in terms of the loss ratio.

To prepare for the summer campaigns of 1943, I need to rebuild my tank forces. Majority of my panzer divisions are in an appalling state and there is nothing I can do about it; panzer divisions have to be used if I want to survive to 45. Many of them are basically just glorified motorised divisions at this point and the weakest ones are transferred back into the reserve to be refitted.

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Beethoven1 -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 11:21:18 AM)

You have been doing a good job, the best job of any Germany player in the StB scenario I have seen so far anyway, and as such it is interesting to read your take on it.

It is interesting that you also attacked the Kalinin salient. That seems to be a common running theme, that sooner or later Germany will do something there if the Soviets don't watch out for it. Although you didn't do it right at the immediate start, you came back to it later.

Yes, the single rail line between V.L. and Rzhev is very important. When you were making your incursion into the north/west side of the V.L./Toropets salient, did you consider trying to attack from the other side at the same time at all? Could that have been at all feasible?

Also, I note that you seem to have evacuated from Demyansk at the beginning. How much do you think doing that is responsible for how (relatively) well you are doing, and how much worse do you think you would be doing if you had not done that?



Beethoven1 -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 11:23:06 AM)

Also, hopefully you can get trucks back into the Panzers that you sent to reserve... Keep in mind that to have any chance of doing that, you apparently have to leave them at a NSS (Berlin) for a while after you deploy them before they can get trucks, rather than just sending them into Russia after deploying them.



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 4:27:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Beethoven1

You have been doing a good job, the best job of any Germany player in the StB scenario I have seen so far anyway, and as such it is interesting to read your take on it.

It is interesting that you also attacked the Kalinin salient. That seems to be a common running theme, that sooner or later Germany will do something there if the Soviets don't watch out for it. Although you didn't do it right at the immediate start, you came back to it later.

Yes, the single rail line between V.L. and Rzhev is very important. When you were making your incursion into the north/west side of the V.L./Toropets salient, did you consider trying to attack from the other side at the same time at all? Could that have been at all feasible?

Also, I note that you seem to have evacuated from Demyansk at the beginning. How much do you think doing that is responsible for how (relatively) well you are doing, and how much worse do you think you would be doing if you had not done that?


I was considering attacking from the other side, but the point of doing that would be to encircle the units inside the VL salient. Even with the SS units I got, I still wouldn't have enough infantry to consolidate the encirclement. I decided that stopping the supply to VL is good enough.

The withdrawal from Demyansk has helped, but at most I think it has put me only a turn ahead of how I would be doing if I didn't withdraw so early. This is because Tyronec himself withdrew majority of his forces at the Demyansk salient so we both ended up freeing up troops.



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/28/2021 4:31:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Beethoven1

Also, hopefully you can get trucks back into the Panzers that you sent to reserve... Keep in mind that to have any chance of doing that, you apparently have to leave them at a NSS (Berlin) for a while after you deploy them before they can get trucks, rather than just sending them into Russia after deploying them.


I really don't know when trucks are shed or not from a unit in a reserve. I have panzer units in the reserve with all the trucks they still originally had. However for the ones that do, I still send them into Russia ASAP; you don't need to even be on the NSS to get trucks, you just need a lot of freight. So a super depot I have at the front will be enough for to restock them. Perhaps making them arrive from the reserve on a NSS is better, I don't really know, but I don't really think the benefits are extremely large compared to just sending them to the front right away and getting vehicles at the front.



tyronec -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/29/2021 8:35:36 AM)

quote:

If Tyronec is reading this right now, I wonder if you actually had any indication of whether or not I was building up my units for an attack here. Just want to know if what I'm saying is actually working right.

Most of the time I can't see what you have behind the front line. I think once we get to summer I will do some recon and maybe see more then, have just decided to save the aircraft until then.



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (10/29/2021 8:56:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Beethoven1

It is interesting that you also attacked the Kalinin salient. That seems to be a common running theme, that sooner or later Germany will do something there if the Soviets don't watch out for it. Although you didn't do it right at the immediate start, you came back to it later.




For this point, I only launched an attack there because he left his flanks guarded by single rifle divisions. Even at the beginning of the scenario launching the attack to encircle the divisions there aren't worth it for the Axis. The Soviet player should just ignore it and continue trying to cut off the rail line to Rzhev. Watch as the axis struggle to use their panzer divisions to take out rifle divisions in fort 2+ and light woods/heavy woods. The axis may bag a Soviet army, but if you manage to cut off Vyazma since all german armour in the area is committed to an offensive, you end up bagging over half an army group, 13 VPs and an improved logistical situation.



YorStein -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/1/2021 9:42:45 AM)

I have question :
Would it make sense to withdraw to the oder / Alps Line in 1943 ?
The Soviet player would have to repair 100 hexes or more of rail for one line and the axis supply lines would be right at home , the front would be shorten considerably aswell , you would lose Romania and it’s units but eh Romanian s



Jango32 -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/1/2021 9:52:22 AM)

Other than the fact that you'll lose from Sudden Death rules...



YorStein -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/1/2021 2:44:47 PM)

I thought after reaching the 575 VP mark you cant lose from sudden death as axis ?



Jango32 -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/1/2021 3:21:03 PM)

Technically it's Soviet sudden victory but the end effect is the same.



Karri -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/1/2021 3:56:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: YorStein

I have question :
Would it make sense to withdraw to the oder / Alps Line in 1943 ?
The Soviet player would have to repair 100 hexes or more of rail for one line and the axis supply lines would be right at home , the front would be shorten considerably aswell , you would lose Romania and it’s units but eh Romanian s


And the Soviets would just break through that line in 44/45, possibly 43 in some points in the north.



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/3/2021 6:37:59 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: YorStein

I have question :
Would it make sense to withdraw to the oder / Alps Line in 1943 ?
The Soviet player would have to repair 100 hexes or more of rail for one line and the axis supply lines would be right at home , the front would be shorten considerably aswell , you would lose Romania and it’s units but eh Romanian s


Romanian and Axis ally troops are actually very valuable. They supplement and augment the German units very well and battered formations can be used to prepare a defense line for your units to fall back to. Losing Romania also means the Axis loses all its oil and you'll probably have difficulty getting fuel for your army.



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/22/2021 12:45:53 AM)

By the way, still planning to update this AAR but I am strapped for time and would rather continue my turns in the game than post. As soon as my schedule frees up expect to see this AAR rapidly update to our current turn (T20 or whatever it is in the future).



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/22/2021 2:39:21 AM)

All I will say for now is that counter-offensives are fun [:)].



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These are combats from just one part of the front (though they were the most successful).

By the way, can anyone explain why my fighters assigned to escorting GS aren't flying? I just have a few fighters patrolling instead. I posted on the tech support section awhile ago but never got a response.



loki100 -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/22/2021 9:17:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rosencrantus

All I will say for now is that counter-offensives are fun [:)].

....

By the way, can anyone explain why my fighters assigned to escorting GS aren't flying? I just have a few fighters patrolling instead. I posted on the tech support section awhile ago but never got a response.


yep, I'm having much the same impact with narrow counter-offensives on specific sectors

Not sure re the GS but a few mumbling ideas. First it looks ok, you are getting escorts in most instances and they seem to be doing a number on the VVS. Second, there are a whole load of quirks/features/use appropriate title in the auto-assign routines. I believe the sequence is something like send a few just in case, see what the enemy does, send enough to deal with the enemy (with a similar escalation on the other side).

Of course, as ever, all subject to leadership rolls etc.

So my guess is the patrols were generating enough to re-assure the auto-system that your GS was covered. You could try setting escort for GS to 200% but I'm never happy about twiddling with those settings as sometimes it creates more problems than it solves



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (11/22/2021 9:42:40 AM)

Thing is I remember getting at least more than 40+ fighters on every GS mission before the escort bug occurred as long as I had the numbers for it which I do (I have around 80 German fighters in the area and for some reason only the 30 hungarian fighters are being sent out). I'm not sure about the quirks of auto assign as I micro every AOG myself during the air phase or you might be referring to how the actual fighters are divvied out once a combat starts. Leadership rolls should mostly be in my favour, Air Fleet 4 is under Wolfram von Richthofen with an air rating of 8. This is happening with all my GS missions, in the tech support thread I posted a combat with over 300+ soviet fighters and none of the 80+ german fighters in the area even appeared, my tactical bombers that had FW 190s and trained as bombers did the heavy lifting.

P.S As a specific example, most of those fighter escorts in those battles above were the hungarian fighter groups, not the German ones I had lying around.

P.P.S I think that I may have set the fighters on rest for that turn (T19) the 300+ AC combat happened, though I'm not sure how it explains the fact that on turn 20 when I turned them back on they barely flew.



Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (12/22/2021 12:07:55 AM)

It's been awhile, but now that the holiday season has started its time to continue this AAR.

T10 - January 21, 1943

AGA:

Managed to withdraw to the new defensive line and will hold from there until the Soviets manage to outflank me.

Stalingrad:

I air transport more troops out if he isn't going to seriously attempt to reduce the pocket.



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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (12/22/2021 12:10:55 AM)

Orel:

Front is holding well, and more units along with the SS divisions have arrived as reinforcements.

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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (12/22/2021 12:16:42 AM)

Southern Rzhev & VL:

The offensive I've been building up for is finally started. The line was left very thin around this area so a breakthrough was achieved. Expecting him to target the regiment SS units I left in light woods, though they still had a defensive CV of around 16 each from what I remember.

It would be really nice to even get one turn of isolation to force a lot of surrenders.

near Velikie Luki the rail line being cut also weakened his units in the area and I am able to improve my positions there.


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Rosencrantus -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (12/22/2021 12:20:23 AM)

Frontline Situation & Losses:

Not much to say aside from the fact that I'm holding alright for now, expecting that to change soon but I will hold for as long as I can.



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Iam5not8 -> RE: Final Days of the Reich - StB Rosencrantus (Axis) vs Tyronec (SU) (12/22/2021 10:06:49 AM)

Very interesting AAR with a far more aggressive German Army as usually seen.

I will be very interested to read Tyronec feedback on this first part of the campaign.



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