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Redmoose -> Cold War Project (8/26/2021 3:08:38 AM)

I am sure most of you have seen this on my discord, but I just wanted to show it off a little. Couple months of work, well you can't see all the other work and ORBAT side of the project but heres a little part of my 1979 project so far. I have missed some locations I do know, this is a WIP not a finished project. There are also pins which have wrong coords which I am fixing. No there is no secret pasta base in italy lol, nor is there on in norway these are just messed up coords which I will soon be fixing.
Guide:
Dark Color = Soviet
Light Color = Minor WSP Country
Red = Army
Blue = SAM/AD
White/Gray = Radar
Purple = Airbase
Dark Gray = Nuclear Silo / Control Bunker / IRBM bases
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596 Airbases
2073 Nuclear Silo / Nuclear locations
3075 air defenses (Radars, SAMs, HQs)
1248 Army Bases / Barracks

Total: 6992

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Raptor341 -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 3:35:02 AM)

What project is this?



Redmoose -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 4:02:58 AM)

A Orbat project I am in the processing of making



Blast33 -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 6:41:54 AM)

Wow, impressive!!
What program are you using to display it an eventually convert to. Inst files. Still the .KML exporter..?



Gunner98 -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 10:19:20 AM)

Wow!

Great work



Redmoose -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 3:18:37 PM)

So I am using ARCGIS Pro to show this right now. However Musurca helped me out and wrote a program which can take a CSV file and transform it into lua to write into the game and import these into the game instead of doing it manually.



Redmoose -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 3:19:56 PM)

Remind you guys of Northern fury Orbat research lol? Ive checked your website even 14 years later they are still relatively close actually.



Gunner98 -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 4:45:51 PM)

It sure does Moose. Most of our stuff is based in 89 and expanded/extrapolated forward 5 years. So only 10 years removed, and you're right it didn't change in structure very much.

You're doing it the smart way though. From the top down. When I started it was more like 'hmmmm what would they throw at Bodo?" and worked up from there. Not smart

Once we started expanding beyond Norway however I had to stop the merry-go-round from spinning me into oblivion and tried to do it the right way...

Its fun but a lot of work.

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Redmoose -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 5:04:21 PM)

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It sure does Moose. Most of our stuff is based in 89 and expanded/extrapolated forward 5 years. So only 10 years removed, and you're right it didn't change in structure very much.


Yeah I have also ran into this of having to go back and change everything lol. When I first started I mapped out all the active air defenses. Didn't take into consideration reserve/mobilization air defenses. Definitely missed a lot of those. Not looking forward to going back and having to redo it lol.
Not sure if you have had this issue? You have problems with cold war intel? I made an entire Soviet ORBAT for the Naval Arm based off of a CIA Estimate for 79, as well as military balance for 1979. Turns out a load of that intel was wrong. US guessed they had 80 TU-16 tankers and 70 ECM TU-16 where in reality there was only 30 TU-16Zs and nearly 170 ECM Tu-16s. Definitely has been a pain going back and polishing up these intel reports to make these orbats haha.

(This was the ORBAT I had made with US intel) Turns out this is all wrong, definately uh wasted some time on this one. Well not all wrong just not as right as it COULD be.

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Gunner98 -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 5:29:31 PM)

Certainly a few times I was caught out with single source data. One thing I noticed was that Cold War western estimates were sometimes skewed by some interesting factors. Some estimates were meant to push special projects through procurement gates, some was pure guesswork, some seemed to be fantasies. Interesting reading.

I'm sure you've used this site, http://www.ww2.dk/new/newindex.htm Its great for structures, organizations, locations etc. Not so good on numbers or even equipment types. For those I tried to dig into production numbers, which are now available.

In some cases I simply took the raw production numbers, reduced by the number of reported accidents and made some assumptions as to airframe availability. I then cross referenced with the structure and applied airframes to Regts. Being an alternate history with 5 years of additional production/modification, you can do that.

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Redmoose -> RE: Cold War Project (8/26/2021 5:40:59 PM)

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In some cases I simply took the raw production numbers, reduced by the number of reported accidents and made some assumptions as to airframe availability. I then cross referenced with the structure and applied airframes to Regts. Being an alternate history with 5 years of additional production/modification, you can do that.


Funny you say that. Literally doing that right now with the TU-95RTS. But yeah almost all my location / map data is from ww2.dk definitely have used that source pretty extensively. Another source I have found, or I guess would be Yefim Gordon I think it is. His data has definitely been helpful especially for Soviet ORBATs.



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