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Crossroads -> Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (9/25/2021 9:09:47 AM)

As we are inching closer to our hands-off date handing out the game code to Matrix Games, here's a little thread to make the wait a bit shorter perhaps.

How long's the wait, exactly? We don't have the exact date yet, and with Matrix announcing plenty of games in October, we are keeping our fingers crossed for November.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

Hand off to Matrix is the end of October to be released in November (ideally)


There will be a series of blogs available, I for one are writing two of them

  • Campaign Series Event Engine in Vietnam 1.0, and
  • Wars and battles covered in Vietnam 1948-1967

    To start off, here's the first Campaign Series Event Engine (CSEE) Developer Diary out: Triggering Events - link to CSLegion.com

    [image]local://upfiles/32195/5583C19D8CE34E67A0CA0EA84B6EDA73.jpg[/image]



    • lecrop -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (9/25/2021 9:52:38 AM)

    WOW! [&o]



    Crossroads -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (9/25/2021 12:12:56 PM)

    Thanks! It is quite astonishing what first Berto has been able to put together in programming this all, and then how the scenario designers and CSEE programmers / CSEE scriptures have gone and have the battles come out with it all.

    This first diary was just touching the surface, though. I will go into more depth when writing about the Scripted AI opponent. And while "scripted opponent" might sound like an AI that repeats itself through the hard coded restraints, it is not like that at all here.

    Especially the Viet Cong in the Vietnam War scenarios should turn out to be a cunning and devious opponent, with how they fought the often asymmetrical war.



    dox44 -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (9/25/2021 2:56:56 PM)

    Great news!

    Thanks!



    Big Ivan -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (9/25/2021 3:42:41 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dox44

    Great news!

    Thanks!


    Hi Randy, good to see you back here!

    Lot of good stuff happening with Campaign Series Vietnam.

    Here is a parting shot of a scenario I just tested in the game. It has the Viet Minh going against French positions along route 10 southeast of Ninh Binh.


    [image]local://upfiles/29401/E1E38B407FF642FEB7CD20785CCAED5F.jpg[/image]



    carll11 -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (9/30/2021 3:48:06 PM)

    Looks good CR and thx BIg Ivan.

    After having thrown in the towel on the mess that are squad battles Vietnam and its add on tour of duty, I am very much looking forward to CS Vietnam......



    dox44 -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (9/30/2021 6:50:04 PM)

    Thanks for sharing!

    Can't wait to give it a go.

    Really will be worth the wait.




    Crossroads -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (9/30/2021 6:51:34 PM)

    I am writing another article on the game content, starting with the French Indochina War and how's that to be covered in Vietnam 1.0. Hopefully out this weekend.



    Crossroads -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/2/2021 9:55:48 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Crossroads

    As we are inching closer to our hands-off date handing out the game code to Matrix Games, here's a little thread to make the wait a bit shorter perhaps.

    How long's the wait, exactly? We don't have the exact date yet, and with Matrix announcing plenty of games in October, we are keeping our fingers crossed for November.


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

    Hand off to Matrix is the end of October to be released in November (ideally)


    There will be a series of blogs available, I for one are writing two of them

  • Campaign Series Event Engine in Vietnam 1.0, and
  • Wars and battles covered in Vietnam 1948-1967



    • Here's then the first Developer Diary covering the content available with Vietnam 1.0. We are still working with a BETA here, but bearing that in mind this should not be too far off as what's there in the game as it releases.

    The French Indochina War in Vietnam 1.0 (directs to CSLegion.com)

    From a company sized jump to Giong Dingh in 1948, to the Street Without Joy and a huge Complexity 8 scenario covering Operation Camargue, one of the largest use of forces by France in the conflict (and quite a map too, see below!), it is all*) there.
    [image]local://upfiles/32195/5EB5FD7E4ADC482FBD267E8C501E147D.jpg[/image]

    There's also a deeper cover of some key campaigns, such as the Day River campaign in spring 1951 with five scenarios, and the Hoa Binh campaign of Autumn 1951 with two scenarios, too. Dien Bien Phu? A whopping ten-series scenario set.


    *) There's the full set of editors available to fill any gap small or large should you miss your favorite skirmish with 1.0.



    dox44 -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/2/2021 2:53:16 PM)

    That's unbelievable...i am definitely ready.

    Thanks!!




    jmlima -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/5/2021 8:51:19 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Crossroads
    ...and a huge Complexity 8 scenario covering Operation Camargue, ....


    Does it model the 'melting away' process that the VM forces often employed to evade serious engagements?



    Jason Petho -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/5/2021 3:04:14 PM)

    quote:

    Does it model the 'melting away' process that the VM forces often employed to evade serious engagements?


    This depends on the scenario. In some cases yes, in other cases the scenario ends before the VM/VC leave the battlefield



    Rosseau -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/7/2021 2:31:13 AM)

    I am ever-so-slightly disappointed that you didn't push the timeline to 1973, considering how long we have waited. [;)]

    Equipment-wise, 1973 vs. 1967 is probably semantics anyway, but still a bit surprised on the heavy focus on the French, as most people today don't even recognize U.S. involvement, no less the old stuff.

    Anyway, glad it is coming soon, and thanks!



    Jason Petho -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/7/2021 4:27:51 AM)

    That's just it.

    The scenario development, especially the scripting, would take another couple few years for the 1968-1979 scenarios.

    We all agreed internally to get something out sooner rather than later for you all to play.

    Also note, there are over 100 scenarios included with the game, with ample American involvement scenarios from 1965-1967.

    Jason Petho



    devoncop -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/7/2021 6:53:18 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Rosseau

    I am ever-so-slightly disappointed that you didn't push the timeline to 1973, considering how long we have waited. [;)]

    Equipment-wise, 1973 vs. 1967 is probably semantics anyway, but still a bit surprised on the heavy focus on the French, as most people today don't even recognize U.S. involvement, no less the old stuff.

    Anyway, glad it is coming soon, and thanks!



    Just to illustrate yet again how different we wargamers are I think I am most looking forward to playing the French Indo China "End of Empire" scenarios. It is nice to see such a conflict portrayed and an era very rarely tackled.





    Crossroads -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/7/2021 12:49:59 PM)

    Approximately half of the scenarios included in the 1.0 release cover the US involvement, then French Indochina and Vietnamese Civil war approx a quarter each. Then the tournament scenarios depicting a hypothetical US-China situation to add to those.

    And the editors are there of course, so hopefully enough content to keep everyone busy for a while!



    Para87 -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/7/2021 6:26:51 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Rosseau

    I am ever-so-slightly disappointed that you didn't push the timeline to 1973, considering how long we have waited. [;)]

    Equipment-wise, 1973 vs. 1967 is probably semantics anyway, but still a bit surprised on the heavy focus on the French, as most people today don't even recognize U.S. involvement, no less the old stuff.

    Anyway, glad it is coming soon, and thanks!


    Even those of us that "recognize U.S. involvement" will learn something new while enjoying the game. I wish more wargame developers focused on lesser known conflicts.



    devoncop -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/7/2021 6:40:42 PM)

    Agreed.

    I found the Yemen scenarios in CSME absolutely fascinating.



    Jason Petho -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/7/2021 9:47:08 PM)

    quote:

    I found the Yemen scenarios in CSME absolutely fascinating.


    I'm glad you enjoyed them!

    Something a little different than the norm



    Rosseau -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/8/2021 2:38:55 AM)

    Initially, I did feel cheated out of Tet '68, but that is a huge logistical load for the scenario designers, which I now understand.

    And yes, I need to consider the large French Indochina scenarios as a great learning experience. In fact, it may be the best part of the initial release, as I assume many of the scenarios involving the U.S. will be "hit or miss" inconclusive engagements.

    Anyway, I am always delighted to be proved wrong and anxiously await the upcoming release.






    Benedict151 -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/26/2021 4:23:06 PM)

    I too am really looking forward to the French scenarios. This is my main area of interest and I was rather afraid that there would only be a 'token couple' included so seeing the list of whats included makes me very happy indeed.

    It might have been nice for a couple of the less well known actions to have been included but that really is nit picking as those of us with an interest in Indochina have been starved of games for a long time (with the honourable exception of Legion Games on the boardgame front)

    Looking forward to the release
    Ben



    Big Ivan -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/27/2021 12:12:47 AM)

    Mike and Benedict,

    You will not be disappointed with the content involving the French in the early years!

    Here is a quick screenshot from the Day Bataille #3...GM Counter 5/30/51.



    [image]local://upfiles/29401/7EA126D368354EA5BA4F526DE8F0D459.jpg[/image]



    Crossroads -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/27/2021 7:14:42 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Benedict151

    I too am really looking forward to the French scenarios. This is my main area of interest and I was rather afraid that there would only be a 'token couple' included so seeing the list of whats included makes me very happy indeed.

    It might have been nice for a couple of the less well known actions to have been included but that really is nit picking as those of us with an interest in Indochina have been starved of games for a long time (with the honourable exception of Legion Games on the boardgame front)

    Looking forward to the release
    Ben

    Hello Ben, what smaller battles in particular would you be interested in?



    dopedwizard -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (10/29/2021 7:52:00 PM)

    I have been following this Forum on my Mobile where I don't have my login details saved so was never able to respond when on the road. I am really excited for this. [&o]



    Crossroads -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (11/8/2021 5:33:26 PM)

    Here's, finally, part 2 for the CSEE Dev Diary series: Accessing Adaptive AI (redirects to CSLegion.com).

    In the blog, I try to describe how Adaptive AI, first time available with CS: Middle East 2.0, has been revamped and revised for CS: Vietnam 1.0. I guess in other words, how Adaptive AI 1.0 has evolved to Adaptive AI 2.0.

    [image]local://upfiles/32195/B635D9F0826B45E89FBF215A486636F2.jpg[/image]

    I don't know many games that provides the scenario designers and modders with pretty much full access to game CRT and other percentage rolls. With CS: Vietnam 1.0, Adaptive AI is also available via CSEE Lua code, which is the real game changer here. Totally dynamic!

    Let me know what you guys think! Any questions we're happy to answer them here [sm=00000028.gif]




    Benedict151 -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (11/25/2021 12:36:19 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Crossroads


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Benedict151

    I too am really looking forward to the French scenarios. This is my main area of interest and I was rather afraid that there would only be a 'token couple' included so seeing the list of whats included makes me very happy indeed.

    It might have been nice for a couple of the less well known actions to have been included but that really is nit picking as those of us with an interest in Indochina have been starved of games for a long time (with the honourable exception of Legion Games on the boardgame front)

    Looking forward to the release
    Ben

    Hello Ben, what smaller battles in particular would you be interested in?


    Apologies missed this. Not so much 'smaller' battles but some of the more obscure ones perhaps, e.g. Operation Mouette (which features de Castries with a mobile command) and perhaps others from the Navarre Plan (but its really hard finding anything in English about them). Unless I've missed it I was a little surprised not to see anything from the 1950 RC4 campaign or the trials and tribulations of GM 100 in the highlands.
    Anyhow, I am really not complaining the list of scenarios is far more extensive than I dared to hope, so 'chaparau'.

    regards
    Ben



    Oberst_Klink -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (11/25/2021 2:04:05 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Benedict151


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Crossroads


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Benedict151

    I too am really looking forward to the French scenarios. This is my main area of interest and I was rather afraid that there would only be a 'token couple' included so seeing the list of whats included makes me very happy indeed.

    It might have been nice for a couple of the less well known actions to have been included but that really is nit picking as those of us with an interest in Indochina have been starved of games for a long time (with the honourable exception of Legion Games on the boardgame front)

    Looking forward to the release
    Ben

    Hello Ben, what smaller battles in particular would you be interested in?


    Apologies missed this. Not so much 'smaller' battles but some of the more obscure ones perhaps, e.g. Operation Mouette (which features de Castries with a mobile command) and perhaps others from the Navarre Plan (but its really hard finding anything in English about them). Unless I've missed it I was a little surprised not to see anything from the 1950 RC4 campaign or the trials and tribulations of GM 100 in the highlands.
    Anyhow, I am really not complaining the list of scenarios is far more extensive than I dared to hope, so 'chaparau'.

    regards
    Ben

    You can find articles aplenty about the French in Indochine on my blog.

    https://hauptkampflinie.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-generalship-of-general-henri-e.html

    Klink, Oberst



    Crossroads -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (11/27/2021 8:20:39 AM)

    There we go, then! CS: Vietnam will come out with full set of editors, with complete Orders of Battle, and excellent pre-made maps. All set for some quality community scenarios, wink wink [:D]



    Crossroads -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (12/5/2021 1:50:09 PM)

    My next article talking about CS: Vietnam scenario content is out (link redirects to CSLegion.com):

  • The Vietnamese Civil War in Vietnam 1.0

    Lots of content:

    [image]https://cslegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/vietnamese_civil_war_1.jpg[/image]

    ... beginning with Battle of Saigon, with this huge map covering the metropol and its surrounding area!

    [image]https://cslegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/assimiliation_battle_of_saigon.jpg[/image]


    Any questions, comments, let us hear about them!



    • Rosseau -> RE: Countdown to CS: Vietnam 1.0 (12/6/2021 5:32:44 AM)

    A general question for you, and I don't mean to be lazy, as you may have addressed this somewhere already:

    1. Will/is there a place where we can see all the significant planned improvements over CSME?

    2. Also, is there a book or two you can recommend to get us up-to-speed historically on the Nam prior to U.S. involvement? I would like to begin studying.

    I am as excited about this game as I was about Decisive Battles: Ardennes Offensive, which I can't stop playing and modding.

    (Truth is, I would buy the upcoming CS:Vietnam in a minute if there were no improvements. This game so far appears too historically rich to ignore. And I do my best to recommend both games to wargamers on Steam, etc.)



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