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Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/23/2021 7:04:06 PM)
T12 11A 11 Armee breaks through the causeway with relative ease as the spearhead korps is close to 100CPP. Some soviets trapped but still at least 8 divisions ahead. Question is how many will retreat to fight in Sevastopol and how many will evacuate to Kerch... [image]local://upfiles/43317/CFC5FCED9ED44FD083AFFC3158989A0E.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/24/2021 7:36:15 PM)
T13 AGC In the centre 9 Armee continues to hold and replen, while 2 Panzergruppe encircles Tula. 2 Armee reaches Orel. [image]local://upfiles/43317/6781A91174734504BD552C0699367334.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/24/2021 7:53:36 PM)
T13 AGS 1 Panzergruppe envelops Stalino and a few other scattered cavalry divisions although we can't quite reach the sea of azov to cut off a further two. C'est la vie. Railhead links up Zapordzhye to double up the railyard points in this stretch. Other games I ignored this until much much later but going to see what effect that might have on rail congestion in winter. [image]local://upfiles/43317/3685418FA677441DA08A550911DC3A92.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/26/2021 10:36:02 AM)
T14 Leningrad Well behind the curve, still grinding 10 miles a week against stiff opposition. Soviets can't hold the front line but equally no exploitation possible. This is not blitzkreig here for sure. 40 miles to go when in a parallel real-world Leningrad already got cut off. On the western flank of this sector he's still holding the river line. However I strongly suspect that if/when the cut happens this commitment to non-key terrain will prove to be a millstone. Or come blizzard he will have advanced jumping off points to regain down to Pskov... Time will tell... [image]local://upfiles/43317/AA560CF8AD244EB68AE54938670ED44B.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/26/2021 10:43:08 AM)
T14 Rzhev sector The railhead extends up north of Velike Luki having decided that there wasn't much of value to extend in the Leningrad sector and a super-depot in Pskov not needed. If we can link east to give an alternate route to Kallinn all the better. Biggest news though is cutting the Leningrad-Moscow mainline way closer to source. Trucks can supply Valdai from Kalinn for a while, but now only 2 single tracks heading into Leningrad might tighten things a little more. Otherwise 9 Armee builds a bridgehead across the river in preparation for Operation Typhoon. Here at least we are weeks ahead of historical timeline. Not that that means we expect to walk into Moscow anytime soon of course! [image]local://upfiles/43317/7118C72A003444E39559EAB475A45FCB.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/26/2021 10:53:33 AM)
T14 Tula Sector The Tula pocket surrenders but also 17Pz and Das Reich exploit all the way to take Ryazan. Not a very sustainable position come winter I'm sure but cuts an important arterial railine and puts another angle on Moscow to cover, with much harder to defend terrain. Stalin's butler will be getting a suitcase ready just in case. Otherwise a few Soviet counter-attacks against regiments which is showing Red confidence and strength growing... Nothing that can't be contained for now. [image]local://upfiles/43317/FFD588A5A06F4B87A9941E18D76525A8.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/26/2021 11:09:59 AM)
T14 Stalino sector In a second blow to Red morale Stalino falls and after having had their operational pause 16 motorised and Wiking push to within 20miles of Rostov. This is the blitzkrieg spirit we are missing in AGN! A few more cavalry divisions in secure pockets too. The railhead close to Stalino and we can think about consolidation to help the push on Kharkov. [image]local://upfiles/43317/08794EFFDECB4EA7BF3EC45087704097.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/26/2021 11:22:04 AM)
T14 key numbers Soviet losses circa 200k including 105k in the bag which drops the ORBAT slightly below 4.8m. Not disastrous for either side I think, we made a dent but Stavka has preserved its forces reasonable well, although at the cost of territory in the south having prioritised Leningrad. 22k captured trucks will be put to good use somewhere/somehow. Losses don't seem too bad as our supply network not super-strung out anywhere, but each army certainly getting less than optimum supplies aside from 4 Panzergruppe which is fair as they are doing the bulk of the real fighting right now for sure. In the air losses are 6-1 in terms of machines and pilots which I think we can deal with at this stage. Again the heaviest fighting in the skies above AGN and we are putting fresh fighter units in here to make up for losses. [image]local://upfiles/43317/33F43E44BA3349F5BBB9628E62A15F39.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/26/2021 8:27:21 PM)
T14 Crimea Looking like a bit of a ghost town so far... [image]local://upfiles/43317/11D037177AAF40F68B2016996B09C275.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/26/2021 9:05:05 PM)
T14 Kharkov & Kursk Our lead 17th Armee reconnaissance patrols start to report signs of a major fortification network around Kharkov and it seems to indicate this is where the Reds have chosen to make their end of year stand linked in with the Donets to the north and south. 6th Armee meanwhile reaches Kursk to find it relatively empty. [/quote] [image]local://upfiles/43317/F46A7777ACED4C16A03D742E6EB3B907.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/27/2021 9:42:48 AM)
T15 AGN 4 Panzergruppe able to punch through 20 miles and get across the last waterway before the lake but as Sept41 draws to a close its the extra water starting to arrive that going to cause us to fall short soon. We can probably punch on through light mud a turn more or two and cut the next railine to add to the Reds problems at least a little bit, but a depot a little way back can still truck freight in. 18 Armee is going to bog down pretty quickly though and not much chance they will go further unless he lets us. [image]local://upfiles/43317/A5643357E31F4975B448279730266DD0.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/27/2021 9:51:45 AM)
T15 Moscow sector 3 Panzergruppe reach the outskirts of Kalinn and pretty sure it will be assailable next week. A few minor advances along the rest of the line by 4 & 9 Armee while 2 Panzergruppe has a ersatzcigar and consolidates CPP. If we go full Operation Typhoon despite the advanced start line it won't be a cake walk for sure. [image]local://upfiles/43317/C9ACF0760699453D983014360519EAD3.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/27/2021 9:57:26 AM)
T15 Orel and Kursk Sector Orel falls easily and will be linked up next week from the north to complete a nice loop to give supplies options to avoid overloading the Smolensk branch. Kursk will certainly fall next week and be immediately linked to rail too. We have been using 2-3 AP each time a railyard falls to get it back up to capacity as soon as reasonably possible. [image]local://upfiles/43317/F5BE854A85214A97A97EA8592D636B7C.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/27/2021 10:05:54 AM)
T15 AGS Rostov falls to a coup-de-main assault by the Panzergrenadiers. Next stop Baku! Or maybe not... Kharkov meanwhile looking like a tough nut to crack this late in the season with the weather turning and off the main arterial rail link. Stalino is connected and we face a choice to connect Rostov already or at least its port, or to backtrack and start a new branch from Dnepropetrovsk. [image]local://upfiles/43317/E2C48A8C33E74EBC8DE9540DE1EC3D0D.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/27/2021 10:09:01 AM)
T15 Crimea Starting to piece together the outer defences of Sevastapol, but nothing yet to indicate what lies waiting in the fortress. [image]local://upfiles/43317/C9BBBF15C2F045839A1F56E8336A3EB8.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/27/2021 10:19:54 AM)
T15 Numbers 132k Soviet casualties for a total of 2.6m, about 9-1 ratio but the easy times draw to a close. I think we've been riding the panzers quite hard, moreso that some folks seem to but AFV losses seem to be about 8-1 too and most Panzer divisions seem in reasonable shape. We have taken 118 divisional tokens off the board and a further 27 Tank/Infantry brigades. Many will come back as cadre's soon but its helped to thin the lines a bit. [image]local://upfiles/43317/891D9A8EF1D44D83A436FC05411BF240.png[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/29/2021 5:12:32 PM)
T16 AGN 20 miles to the lake, although need to beat a wider patch so more like 30 really. Due to reasonable rotation then lead divisions like Totenkopf and 8 Pz shown has reasonable fuel, ammo and CPP, but never able to get further than 1 hex at a time really. As before the thought is that we will fall short due to weather but got to keep trying for a while at least... [image]local://upfiles/43317/354C09C80C5F4DFDBB4E80DADEF2F8D8.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/29/2021 5:23:40 PM)
T16 Kallinn Kallinn falls and 3 Panzergruppe continue to exploit north and east. 2 Pz interdicts another key rail which should put more pressure while not directly on the Leningrad front but at least the Reds shielding north of the Valdai hills. Otherwise 9 Armee follows up as the Soviet line re-adjusts mostly voluntarily towards presumably better prepared lines in front of Moscow. [image]local://upfiles/43317/29309733755E4F42BC7C3F8E578ACF09.jpg[/image]

Jango32 -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/29/2021 5:28:29 PM)
Would it be feasible to switch a Panzer corps from the Volkhov line to Narva, and encircle the Soviets below Leningrad?

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/29/2021 5:32:38 PM)
T16 Crimea 11 Armee clears the outer defences of Sevastapol but its still unclear from intel as to whether the city is lightly held or whether a full city-fort of defenders is lurking. If the latter we will no doubt have some problems this late in the season as the rails and well back at the causeway and there is only so much we can fly and ship in to support a large assault. Our supplies ok, but ammo and CPP need to catchup maybe. [image]local://upfiles/43317/DEF2CEEE1D9648B190A2147F7262960B.jpg[/image]

Hardradi -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/29/2021 10:53:25 PM)
Nice gains all round. Looks like you have been inflicting a lot of casualties (Soviet OOB still below 3m on map). Your tank numbers remaining to the Soivet tanks also looks excellent. Good to see someone using the Luftwaffe instead of keeping it in mothballs. You still even have more planes on map than the Soviets.

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 1:29:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jango32 Would it be feasible to switch a Panzer corps from the Volkhov line to Narva, and encircle the Soviets below Leningrad? I think with the mud its a bit late for that manoeuvre maybe. I probably should have been more creative earlier rather than going for the sledgehammer approach. That said I actually quite like that he is defending such a wide perimeter below Leningrad. Its committing lots of divisions here that weren't down south, and ultimately they are defending non-key terrain, and are extra mouths to feed which I hope will be a squeeze on his ability to operate (but maybe I'm being optimistic on that!).

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 1:38:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hardradi Nice gains all round. Looks like you have been inflicting a lot of casualties (Soviet OOB still below 3m on map). Your tank numbers remaining to the Soivet tanks also looks excellent. Good to see someone using the Luftwaffe instead of keeping it in mothballs. You still even have more planes on map than the Soviets. I've been using the Panzer divisions fairly actively, especially in 4 Panzergruppe, but not flogging them to death. I don't plan to do anything clever like sending them to reserve on leave. For better or worse they will be part of the winter strategy. I am hoping to trade metal to protect land and lives. These models will be obsolete soon anyway... And re. the Luftwaffe yes, we both are using the Air AI so we are largely hands off here to a certain extent. That said I put all squadrons on hold now to avoid the AI sending them to weird places now not going far. My priorities are maintaining a decent Fighter umbrella and having some ground support nearby. Again not sending anything to reserve in winter most twin engine bombers and recce back to the rear to save a little freight at least doesn't seem unreasonable.

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 1:47:05 AM)
T17 Leningrad Sector We manage to grid to within 10 miles of the lake, but I guess we shouldn't be too surprised to find some pretty extensive breastworks at this key point. Not like he didn't have a couple months to plan for this moment! :) Never say never but this might be the high-water mark here with the rain forecast to escalate imminently. On the subject of the Luftwaffe JG52 & JG54 are flying top cover here, with the stukas of STG77 just off screen and assorted Ju88s at Pskov. These pilots have been working their socks off escorting supplies flying in too. Numbers are low but they are still getting the upper hand. North of Valdai the Reds voluntarily give up a few more yards. Perhaps due to logistics. [image]local://upfiles/43317/DAE90A2A2A7E4B458696CF324E55405B.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 2:07:39 AM)
T17 Moscow Sector Mixed emotions about the viability of Operation Typhoon at this point. Given that we've taken most of the terrain historically was gained in October41 we are starting ahead, but are facing a pretty tough line at this stage and have not really put careful thought into mustering a schwerpunkt to make a proper chance of a breakthrough. If Panzergruppe 4 wasnt busy failing to take Leningrad then there might be enough clout to pincer Moscow from Kallinn and Ryazan angles with a last push in the snow to cut off. As a first step at least we cross the river in 3 places in the south and east so we might have options to exploit this. [image]local://upfiles/43317/7ABF776F266D4D3EBA46DE5877AA8C34.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 2:16:06 AM)
T17 Kharkov Sector In Operation Forlorn Hope a pair of Panzerkorps slide into their forming up points ready to exploit if 17 Armee can get across the river. Definately late in the season and the mud is thickening but plenty of the Panzer are going to be close to full CPP with circa 150 panzer each so its now or never to claim a last juicy prize. If I was smarter one panzer korps would start from the north, but I felt time pressure and didnt want to lose CPP and fuel driving too far in light mud without a proper road. Either way failure leaves a nasty thorn threatening to cause us problems in winter... [image]local://upfiles/43317/BF339694E08F45E9B70869BD1D8FEF4C.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 2:24:24 AM)
T17 Crimean Sector As one operation starts another wraps up. The initial probe indicates light resistance at Sevastapol and we bring up 5 divisions from 11 Armee to finish the job. As it happens seems like the Commandant sees the writing on the wall and most accept terms of surrender. I can't help thinking this late in the season with such a strong fort is worth making a proper defence of Sevastapol if possible. There are worse ways to lose half a dozen or so divisions and they should inflict casualties and time delays far out of proportion to almost any other point on the map in '41. Or maybe I'm being optimistic. Either way some Germans will stay in Crimea to clean up to Kerch and garrison against counter-attacks but at least a few divisions will be free to help defend elsewhere. [image]local://upfiles/43317/70475FECB3E24038A780BFD158E54B0F.jpg[/image]

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 4:28:45 PM)
T18 AGN Unable to assault the redoubt blocking our way to the lake 4 Panzergruppe expand the salient to give more depth against counterattack, and hopefully better forming up point to continue later. Otherwise the bigger northern story is XXXIX Mot Korps reports having cut the southernmost of the 2 remaining rails into Leningrad. I'm sure this is not critical of course, but it hopefully adds to the squeeze on his logistics. Perhaps a single line is enough, at least for the essentials if not to build up enough for a large offensive. However otherwise certainly the alternative is that most of these units are right on the limit of truck freight, across terrible terrain without even a proper road that will serve the purpose. Honestly I don't know enough of the logistics to properly guess if its a problem or not, but will carry on just trying to do the right things and hope for the best... [image]local://upfiles/43317/1B9530D8E0B04644B21FFFD7B58D92B1.jpg[/image]

Beethoven1 -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 7:38:26 PM)
Losing Senkovo should hurt their supply along the Volkhov, and if you can get to Lake Rybinsk then it should be untenable for them. However... with the weather changing it may start to become untenable for you as well, lol. Hopefully you can get some supply of your own up near Senkovo. At least you have a road going north from Kalinin, and looks like you have an FBD in the area.

Gunnulf -> RE: Nach Moskau und zurück - Gunnulf (A) AtAtack (S) GC-No early end (10/30/2021 7:56:07 PM)
I can cut up to Lake Rybinsk and interdict this rail and road route for a few weeks at least, but I don't think we can stay here into winter even though as you say I will be linking up at least Velike Luki to Kalinin so will be supplied for winter at least to here. So long as we can hold Kalinin then the threat to return in spring is there too. Maybe by then too late for one or the other of us though we'll see. In other news... T18 Kharkov Sector The offensive begins to try to bag Kharkov. Not with a great leap forward, but while he might now see the threat maybe the weather will hamper any attempt to escape too. [image]local://upfiles/43317/74EFF6886BCC454386092334454FD606.jpg[/image]

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