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goldfinger35 -> I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/2/2021 8:07:27 PM)

My surveilance Bo-105 helo has detected ground target and after circling for 15 minutes at 66ft, 55kt, 100m from target, at broad daylight, it didn't identify the target. Can my helo crew get better binoculars, please?

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nukkxx5058 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/2/2021 8:53:55 PM)

It's hard to see on the pic as we don't have the scale. What distance between the helo and the contact ? 100m ?
They might be hidden in a hole.



thewood1 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/2/2021 9:27:55 PM)

"15 minutes at 66ft, 55kt, 100m"

I assume its one of those numbers.



Eggstor -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 1:25:21 AM)

Sure looks like the contact is ID'd as an unfriendly SAM. Unless you manually marked it as unfriendly, or there's an exclusion zone that auto-marks contacts as unfriendly, the only way that can happen is if you've identified the side it belongs to, and that's well into the identification process.



KnightHawk75 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 4:43:19 AM)

What's the actual classification level, and what is the actual unit attempting to be detected?
Be aware you will never get level 4 classification on certain mobile facilities, if that's whats involved, hard to tell from photo.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4942301
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4942303



Tcao -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 5:41:06 PM)

Is the SAM contact a SPSAM ? If so it could take years to ID the contact if it holds the fire.



spartan21071 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 6:38:49 PM)

thewood1 still providing highly informative analysis as always.




goldfinger35 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 6:41:48 PM)

Unit in question was soldiers with manpads. Even with helo hovering straight over them at 66ft, helo didn't ID it as manpad.



thewood1 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 6:52:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: spartan21071

thewood1 still providing highly informative analysis as always.




It sure seems better than you contributions. What are you contributing to this or any conversation?



thewood1 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 6:54:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: goldfinger35

Unit in question was soldiers with manpads. Even with helo hovering straight over them at 66ft, helo didn't ID it as manpad.


Can you post the save. I'd like to see exactly what was going on and what the helo was actually seeing.



Sardaukar -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 7:33:39 PM)

I think that they'd be too busy soiling their pants if it is unfriendly SPSAM/SAM...



thewood1 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 7:51:23 PM)

It looks like its ID'ed as a SAM, so I'm not usre what the issue is. Thats why a save would help.



spartan21071 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 7:56:35 PM)

Sometimes less is more. Your posting habits and quality could definitely learn that.



thewood1 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 8:15:39 PM)

Maybe you can explain exactly what seems to have set off your sensitive side.



BobTank63 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 8:50:34 PM)

Spartan, wood, could you take this to PMs? Doesn't really seem on topic.



thewood1 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 9:04:36 PM)

I am just minding my own business. This guys has post a dozen times thay have all been personal attacks. Thats quite the SNR.



stilesw -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 9:36:29 PM)

You can't always be a victim. You do have good contributions but you would be much better served to ignore the things you say frustrate you.

-WS



thewood1 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/3/2021 9:38:05 PM)

I am never the victim. That's the entire point.



goldfinger35 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/6/2021 12:05:13 PM)

Here is a small test scenario with same units. Helo cannot ID it as manpad (only SAM?) and side, eveny by hovering straight over the manpad at 89ft.



Norm49 -> RE: I need better binoculars, Sir! (11/6/2021 9:39:34 PM)

If you want to do recon different unit have different zoom level on there optic. This is the main factor to classified a unit. The problem is we don't have this info in the data base. I made a post requesting this info to be had on this thread.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5089781

It was available on the baloogan wiki but the wiki is down now so we cat have the info.

If we test with other unit we could find one with better optic. In any case identifying the weapon carry by infantry will be difficult.



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