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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

You need to ship resources accross the strait. The fact that you are not making a dent in that pile is likely because you are not shipping enough, and the excess production is spoiling, as storage is maxxed-out. Hokkaido produces something like 20,000 Resource Points A DAY, so to keep up you need several convoys using both ports on Hokkaido there (Mururan the other one), and both ports on northern Honshu. You need at least 50 merchant ships doing this, probably more.

Put all your ships on it, and you'll start to see that go down

You need to do this, I bet you are low in the Home Islands. That, or you're pulling from further away than you need to

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I do believe, Alfred would know for sure and point to the part in the manual and/or a thread to show this, that the resources will travel only across water to water hexsides which does not occur for those two ports.

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

You need to ship resources accross the strait. The fact that you are not making a dent in that pile is likely because you are not shipping enough, and the excess production is spoiling, as storage is maxxed-out. Hokkaido produces something like 20,000 Resource Points A DAY, so to keep up you need several convoys using both ports on Hokkaido there (Mururan the other one), and both ports on northern Honshu. You need at least 50 merchant ships doing this, probably more.

Put all your ships on it, and you'll start to see that go down

You need to do this, I bet you are low in the Home Islands. That, or you're pulling from further away than you need to

Ah thanks looks like we had the same question and the same confusion. I guess this is an exception to that rule?

https://www.matrixgames.com/FORUMS/tm.asp?m=4752220

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

You need to ship resources accross the strait. The fact that you are not making a dent in that pile is likely because you are not shipping enough, and the excess production is spoiling, as storage is maxxed-out. Hokkaido produces something like 20,000 Resource Points A DAY, so to keep up you need several convoys using both ports on Hokkaido there (Mururan the other one), and both ports on northern Honshu. You need at least 50 merchant ships doing this, probably more.

Put all your ships on it, and you'll start to see that go down

You need to do this, I bet you are low in the Home Islands. That, or you're pulling from further away than you need to

Ah thanks looks like we had the same question and the same confusion. I guess this is an exception to that rule?

https://www.matrixgames.com/FORUMS/tm.asp?m=4752220

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

You need to ship resources accross the strait. The fact that you are not making a dent in that pile is likely because you are not shipping enough, and the excess production is spoiling, as storage is maxxed-out. Hokkaido produces something like 20,000 Resource Points A DAY, so to keep up you need several convoys using both ports on Hokkaido there (Mururan the other one), and both ports on northern Honshu. You need at least 50 merchant ships doing this, probably more.

Put all your ships on it, and you'll start to see that go down

You need to do this, I bet you are low in the Home Islands. That, or you're pulling from further away than you need to

Ah thanks looks like we had the same question and the same confusion. I guess this is an exception to that rule?

https://www.matrixgames.com/FORUMS/tm.asp?m=4752220

There is no exception, see BillBrowns screenshot in the thread you referenced and read the manual section 9.3.3.3, it is in the posting after BillBrowns screenshot and you will understand that there is no exception, just the program performing properly.

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Just watch the ships go from one port to the other. There is an intervening all sea hex they pass through. It doesn't qualify for port to port across one hexside. There are two.


[image]local://upfiles/37002/79A38D0776A947039D73FBC3566A87BA.jpg[/image]

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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Tanaka, you need urgently setup convois or may run out if RES, they need to be shipped...also ship fuel TO there or the HI will run out. Use tracker to check regional stockpiles I suggest..

Can ppl. try to post not so big pics please thanks.[:)]

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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Tanaka, you need urgently setup convois or may run out if RES, they need to be shipped...also ship fuel TO there or the HI will run out. Use tracker to check regional stockpiles I suggest..

Can ppl. try to post not so big pics please thanks.[:)]

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9.3.3.3 AUTOMATIC TRANSFER OF BULK CARGO BETWEEN ADJACENT PORTS

Bulk cargo (supplies, fuel, resources and oil) can be automatically transferred between friendly
ports if, and only if, the following conditions are met:

[A] the ports are in adjacent hexes; and

[B](i)the ports are separated by a hexside that is navigable by ships; or

[B](ii) the ports are separated by a navigable river hexside.

Examples:

It is recommended that these examples be viewed with the F6 hotkey used to display hexside features, and also using the R and Y hotkeys to show road an rail links where mentioned.

1. Bulk cargo will move between Cebu and Baybay, but will not move between Cebu and Bacolod.

2. Bulk cargo will not move between Hakodate and Ominato.

3. In theory, bulk cargo will move from Fusan to Tsushima, and on to Fukuoka, but shipping it between Fusan and Shimonoseki will likely be more efficient.

4. Bulk cargo movement can occur between Matsuyama on Shikoku, and the three adjacent ports on Honshu and Kyushu, however Matsuyama has a rail link to Takamatsu, which has primary road links to Fukuyama and Okayama, on which such movement will likely be more efficient.

5. Samarinda & Balikpapan are separated by a navigable river hxside (purple) which can also be crossed by land unit, and contains a minor road. In game, oil tends to flow from the former to the latter, as although the bases can be built to the same size, Balikpapan has a higher stockpiling limit due to the size of its oil and refinery industries. It is unclear if in this situation both port-port bulk movement, and overland movement discussed in clarification 4 below, occur, but there is no reason to suggest overland movement subsumes the port-port movement.


Clarifications:

1. If there is only a blocked (red) hexside between the ports, this movement does not occur.

2. If there is a green or white (land movement) hexside between the ports, this movement does not occur, but overland movement may occur instead in that event, if the conditions for overland movement are met.

3. If there is a purple non-navigable river hexside between the ports, this movement does not occur, but overland movement may occur instead in that event, if the conditions for overland movement are met.

4. Overland movement of bulk cargo is the subject of case 9.2.2. In summary:

(a) If base A has a stockpile of bulk cargo; and

(b) Base B has a demand for bulk cargo; and

(c) There is a valid supply path between A & B; then

(d) Bulk cargo can, and possibly will, move from A to B to meet that demand; but

(e) Such movement is subject to attrition, to a maximum of 20%, and the formula for that has not been disclosed.

(f) the map reading exercise suggested in para 5 below shows the valid supply paths, and as should be obvious rails, followed by major roads, are the preferable route.

5. Supply (as opposed to fuel, resources and oil) also moves overland, and across rivers, radiating outwards from bases in lessening quantities, to ground units as opposed to bases. This movement is not the subject of this case- see case [15.1], but the range of its movement can be seen by right-clicking the Whitehorse base in Canada and then using the 5 hot key to show valid supply paths from that base. The effect of transportation links can be seen by right clicking the Edmonton base, then using the 5 hotkey. The effect of navigable rivers on this type of supply movement can be seen, on allied turn one of the campaign, by right clicking on the Kunming hex, and then observing how the supply radiation numbers decrease when crossing the Yangtze between Japanese Wuchang and Anking.

6. For absolute clarity, the "valid supply path" shown on map using the 5 hotkey is the supply path to land units; however, it is also the "valid supply path", where it runs from one base to another base, referred to in case 9.2.2, and in clarification 4(c) above.

7. The table in 9.3.3.3 sets out the maximum bulk movement, port to port, per day, and the numbers are not large. Even with two size 9 ports involved, the maximum amount of each cargo could be loaded in a small xAK or Tanker. The most you will ever see moved is 4500 supply/resources, or 900 fuel/oil. Port to port bulk cargo movement is only a minor supplement to proper shipping arrangements.

Material Maximum amount transferred per day
Supplies 500 x size of the smaller port
Resources 500 x size of the smaller port
Fuel 100 x size of the smaller port
Oil 100 x size of the smaller port

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Stuff flows automatically from Fusan to Fukuyama and vice versa thanks to the island base of Tsushima in the middle of the strait. Flow of supply is 50X (level of the smallest port) per turn. It may be necessary to set stockpiling and supply draw to keep the biggest port from sucking everything back to it!

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

It think it helps if you break up 9.3.3.3 from it's short narrative form to a case based presentation, with a series of conditions, examples, clarifications and cross references, incorporating a map reading/hot key tutorial in two stages.

Edit: There is one thing I am not 100% sure of - I have included a white, "all access" hexside in clarification 2 because it may be that overland movement on the valid supply path trumps cross water-hexside movement. Strictly speaking, they might/should both be occurring across a white hexside. Has anyone ever tested that?

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9.3.3.3 AUTOMATIC TRANSFER OF BULK CARGO BETWEEN ADJACENT PORTS

Bulk cargo (supplies, fuel, resources and oil) can be automatically transferred between friendly
ports if, and only if, the following conditions are met:

[A] the ports are in adjacent hexes; and

[B](i)the ports are separated by a hexside that is navigable by ships; or

[B](ii) the ports are separated by a navigable river hexside.

Examples:

It is recommended that these examples be viewed with the F6 hotkey used to display hexside features, and also using the R and Y hotkeys to show road an rail links where mentioned.

1. Bulk cargo will move between Cebu and Baybay, but will not move between Cebu and Bacolod.

2. Bulk cargo will not move between Hakodate and Ominato.

3. In theory, bulk cargo will move from Fusan to Tsushima, and on to Fukuoka, but shipping it between Fusan and Shimonoseki will likely be more efficient.

4. Bulk cargo movement can occur between Matsuyama on Shikoku, and the three adjacent ports on Honshu and Kyushu, however Matsuyama has a rail link to Takamatsu, which has primary road links to Fukuyama and Okayama, on which such movement will likely be more efficient.

5. Samarinda & Balikpapan are separated by a navigable river hxside (purple) which can also be crossed by land unit, and contains a minor road. In game, oil tends to flow from the former to the latter, as although the bases can be built to the same size, Balikpapan has a higher stockpiling limit due to the size of its oil and refinery industries. It is unclear if in this situation both port-port bulk movement, and overland movement discussed in clarification 4 below, occur, but there is no reason to suggest overland movement subsumes the port-port movement.


Clarifications:

1. If there is only a blocked (red) hexside between the ports, this movement does not occur.

2. If there is a green or white (land movement) hexside between the ports, this movement does not occur, but overland movement may occur instead in that event, if the conditions for overland movement are met.

3. If there is a purple non-navigable river hexside between the ports, this movement does not occur, but overland movement may occur instead in that event, if the conditions for overland movement are met.

4. Overland movement of bulk cargo is the subject of case 9.2.2. In summary:

(a) If base A has a stockpile of bulk cargo; and

(b) Base B has a demand for bulk cargo; and

(c) There is a valid supply path between A & B; then

(d) Bulk cargo can, and possibly will, move from A to B to meet that demand; but

(e) Such movement is subject to attrition, to a maximum of 20%, and the formula for that has not been disclosed.

(f) the map reading exercise suggested in para 5 below shows the valid supply paths, and as should be obvious rails, followed by major roads, are the preferable route.

5. Supply (as opposed to fuel, resources and oil) also moves overland, and across rivers, radiating outwards from bases in lessening quantities, to ground units as opposed to bases. This movement is not the subject of this case- see case [15.1], but the range of its movement can be seen by right-clicking the Whitehorse base in Canada and then using the 5 hot key to show valid supply paths from that base. The effect of transportation links can be seen by right clicking the Edmonton base, then using the 5 hotkey. The effect of navigable rivers on this type of supply movement can be seen, on allied turn one of the campaign, by right clicking on the Kunming hex, and then observing how the supply radiation numbers decrease when crossing the Yangtze between Japanese Wuchang and Anking.

6. For absolute clarity, the "valid supply path" shown on map using the 5 hotkey is the supply path to land units; however, it is also the "valid supply path", where it runs from one base to another base, referred to in case 9.2.2, and in clarification 4(c) above.

7. The table in 9.3.3.3 sets out the maximum bulk movement, port to port, per day, and the numbers are not large. Even with two size 9 ports involved, the maximum amount of each cargo could be loaded in a small xAK or Tanker. The most you will ever see moved is 4500 supply/resources, or 900 fuel/oil. Port to port bulk cargo movement is only a minor supplement to proper shipping arrangements.

Material Maximum amount transferred per day
Supplies 500 x size of the smaller port
Resources 500 x size of the smaller port
Fuel 100 x size of the smaller port
Oil 100 x size of the smaller port

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

7. The table in 9.3.3.3 sets out the maximum bulk movement, port to port, per day, and the numbers are not large. Even with two size 9 ports involved, the maximum amount of each cargo could be loaded in a small xAK or Tanker. The most you will ever see moved is 4500 supply/resources, or 900 fuel/oil. Port to port bulk cargo movement is only a minor supplement to proper shipping arrangements.

Material Maximum amount transferred per day
Supplies 500 x size of the smaller port
Resources 500 x size of the smaller port
Fuel 100 x size of the smaller port
Oil 100 x size of the smaller port

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ORIGINAL: Maallon

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

7. The table in 9.3.3.3 sets out the maximum bulk movement, port to port, per day, and the numbers are not large. Even with two size 9 ports involved, the maximum amount of each cargo could be loaded in a small xAK or Tanker. The most you will ever see moved is 4500 supply/resources, or 900 fuel/oil. Port to port bulk cargo movement is only a minor supplement to proper shipping arrangements.

Material Maximum amount transferred per day
Supplies 500 x size of the smaller port
Resources 500 x size of the smaller port
Fuel 100 x size of the smaller port
Oil 100 x size of the smaller port

I would like to highlight that part specifically.
This mechanic is mostly useful for supplying island chains, as you don't need to ferry supplies on every single island because of the mechanic. But otherwise it doesn't replace proper shipping.

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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

This is new to me, I suspect only a bit supply/fuel might flow, but not the 10000s of tons one needs to transfer daily [:-]

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

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ORIGINAL: Maallon

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

7. The table in 9.3.3.3 sets out the maximum bulk movement, port to port, per day, and the numbers are not large. Even with two size 9 ports involved, the maximum amount of each cargo could be loaded in a small xAK or Tanker. The most you will ever see moved is 4500 supply/resources, or 900 fuel/oil. Port to port bulk cargo movement is only a minor supplement to proper shipping arrangements.

Material Maximum amount transferred per day
Supplies 500 x size of the smaller port
Resources 500 x size of the smaller port
Fuel 100 x size of the smaller port
Oil 100 x size of the smaller port

I would like to highlight that part specifically.
This mechanic is mostly useful for supplying island chains, as you don't need to ferry supplies on every single island because of the mechanic. But otherwise it doesn't replace proper shipping.

Ok gotcha thanks so keep on shipping good to know...

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Or this?

[image]local://upfiles/37002/8F298F0B24664BDBB9297AC956E4DA4F.jpg[/image]

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ORIGINAL: Admiral DadMan

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Or this?

[image]local://upfiles/37002/8F298F0B24664BDBB9297AC956E4DA4F.jpg[/image]

Duuuuude... [:D]

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: Admiral DadMan

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Or this?

[image]local://upfiles/37002/8F298F0B24664BDBB9297AC956E4DA4F.jpg[/image]

Duuuuude... [:D]

A nice butterfly but should that not be centered?[&:]