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mind_messing -> RE: Making the last Beta Official (12/5/2021 2:37:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: castor troy
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ORIGINAL: Ian R
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
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ORIGINAL: Kull
While I applaud the effort, it's worth noting that the timing couldn't be worse. Alfred is the one person who had a near-comprehensive understanding of this issue....and now he's gone. Absent his input, the "final update" will inevitably be incomplete.
I'm glad someone else said this before me, and it can't be stressed enough. The rest of us collectively can scrape a superficial understanding of what needs addressed. Alfred's knowledge in this runs deep.
I'll bite.
Alfred's knowledge, while vast, also came with assertions that things which were clearly not working as intended or as documented were actually, to his mind and agenda, working as intended (the aforementioned CV reaction bug being one of those cases). He isn't infallible.
Same with some of the other small bugs mentioned here, like those in GA's thread or Kull's example.
How you dare to say this? Guess that could be seen as blasphemy. It really speaks for Matrix and especially Erik to ask the community about any (gamebreaking) bugs before doing one final offical patch release because according to the before mentioned guy everything in the game would be working as intended and nobody but him would understand it correctly, most likely not even the developers.
Frankly, there hasn't been a gamebreaking bug in this game for over a decade IIRC and it's the best supported game I've ever bought. Applause to Matrix games! [sm=happy0065.gif]
The forum software still seems to be going back to the 90s though. [;)]
I remember Alfred identifying at least one aspect of ?? the Moose's ?? underway replenishment test that indicated a bug. That was within the last 5 or 6 years, before the final patches. He also showed why many excited assertions of bugs were indeed the product of misunderstandings about how the game exe functioned.
He's not here anymore, and the reason why posters continue sledging him in his absence is elusive.
So you think the only one on the forum responsible for bug squashing is your AE god? Serious? There were so many bugs and so many people involved in identifying them it's close to ridicoulos to imply it's all dependend one a guy who has yet to show me any evidence of even playing this game. It might be my failure perhaps - and I was looking for it a long time - to see anyone posting on the forum that he was playing against the forum god. Nobody, never.
As much as you may wish it to be otherwise, knowledge of the game mechanics has absolutely no influence on understanding how those mechanics work under the hood or if an issue exists or not.
As far as I know, the only AE dev to produce an AAR was Andy Mac. Are you implying that JWE, jwilkerson, Don Bowen and others that worked on the game are required to "prove" their competence by demonstrated that they play the game?
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And just because you don't have noticed it, there was enough misunderstanding (maybe because the forum or the manual doesn't come up with it so the search function fails) on his part as well, always and always again coming up with something just plain wrong.
Can you provide an example of that?
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Latest example, LCU upgrades. No idea how often I have read it wrong but he kept insisting on LCUs only upgrade devices if a) replacements turned on and b) upgrades turned on. And A) is just totally f*cking wrong and he kept insisting on that's the way it works. It just doesn't which reminds me of the question if that guy ever played a single turn or if he's just the forum search function.
Can you provide a link to where this occured?
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It's just as elusive that people praise the AE god in absence as others continue to sledge him perhaps?
I do get the sense that the appreciation for Alfred's contribution from the wider forum is seriously messing with a select minority within the forum that were revelling in the schadenfreude from Alfred's departure.
That's quite sad, all in all, but alas what could be expected from the usual suspects?
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Can we stop talking about Alfred and derailing an important thread ? I wish moderators were more active on this forum every thread goes off topic [:-]
It's perfectly relevant to the matter at hand, given Alfred's extensive knowledge of the game and historical discussions and commentary provided by the devs on the forum. Particularly the last element is important for anyone who works with code - oft times knowing the intention allows working backwards to understand what the aim is for particular segments of code.
I do note that you joined the forum via this account in late 2019 - Alfred's contributions run a significant number of years before that.
If you are concerned about the progress of an important thread, then you should be concerned about those with important contributions to make to the thread being able to do so.
NB: Do not interpret the above as a judgement on time an account has been live on the forum and the value of opinions expressed. I am highlighting here that there is literally years of discussions, comments and threads that Alfred can draw on that the vast majority of users (be it old-timers or relatively new) will not know of.
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