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tolsdorff -> RE: Is this a bug or WAD, follow TF order cause both two TFs remains on station (12/30/2021 10:55:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

While apparently not common knowledge, this info is not hard to find.

All you have to do is read one of the umpteenth number of posts of mine regarding the need to create minesweeping TFs FIRST at Manila on December 8th, 1941.

What the OP has experienced is something I don't.

I learned a long time ago not to daisy chain follow orders.

I constantly work to lower the TF number of my air and surface combat TFs.

The result of the above action typically means my Death Star leading TF has a very low TF number and the same is true of any Surface Combat TF that may be leading.

Where things can get dicey for me is when I need the gaggle to follow a Minesweeping TF.

It can take a lot of disbanding and creating TFs to get an MSW TF with a low number to do the leading.

Establishing standardized methodologies for manipulating the TF number movement sequence mechanism goes a long way toward establishing standardized performance.


I never paid much attention to the entire 'low (or lesser(?) number TF discussions to be honest until today. Kind of skipped over it when it was mentioned somewhere.

Never quite realized how it could impact the game (WAD or not), as for instance in the context of the OP's problem or what you mentioned about Minesweeping TF's, either in Manila at the start of the war or leading a large collection of TF's through mine infestations.

Having read up on the topic today, everything about lesser numbered TF's and how they impact some aspects of the game, makes a bit more sense.

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Establishing standardized methodologies for manipulating the TF number movement sequence mechanism goes a long way toward establishing standardized performance.
Yes exactly, that concept seems very sensible to me now as well.





BBfanboy -> RE: Is this a bug or WAD, follow TF order cause both two TFs remains on station (12/30/2021 8:58:20 PM)

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tolsdorff: What still puzzles me though : if the outcome of this particular setup is determined by a reaction roll of a leader, why do apparently all TF's consistently reach safety when a lesser numbered TF follows the higher numbered one, and vice versa consistently meet disaster when a higher numbered TF follows the lesser numbered one?


Well to get the TF react your ACTF must be aware of the enemy. If the Japanese just sprinted into that position and you did not have night search in range to detect it, and discern that it is also an ACTF, the react will not happen.




Tcao -> RE: Is this a bug or WAD, follow TF order cause both two TFs remains on station (1/7/2022 6:31:45 PM)

Thanks all.
that's interesting, looks like the TF# sequence is the cause of this mess. I will keep that in mind in my future gameplay.

Here is a few more tests I mentioned before. I understand now it's better to have lesser number TF follow higher number one. That explain many of the tests results. (except one, pls see Save 31)



save 26

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3hcg3n7gudgo093/wpae026.pws?dl=0
order:
TF18 (CA Australia) follow TF 16 (CV Yorktown)
result
TF 18 remained at 101 138, TF 14 and TF 16 moved to safety

save 27
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6gsown6uwckjzmc/wpae027.pws?dl=0
order:
TF14 reaction range set to 0
result
TF14, TF18 remained at 101 138


Save 28
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nhfyj04huldz0ol/wpae028.pws?dl=0
order:
TF 18 follow TF15 (an AO Group)
result
TF18 remained at 101 138

Save 29
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qj5bbcayez4jmm/wpae029.pws?dl=0
order:
TF 18 cancel follow order
result
everyone moved to safety

Save 30
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b3h539fp0y30xtf/wpae030.pws?dl=0
order:
TF 16 (CV Yorktown) follow TF 14 (CV Lexington), TF 18 cancel follow order
result
TF 16 moved one hex to 101 138, then TF 16 and TF 14 stayed at 101 138, TF 18 moved

save 31
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0dhz93nd3445k20/wpae031.pws?dl=0
order:
TF 14 (CV Lexington) follow TF 16 (CV Yorktown), TF 18 cancel follow. NOTE: this is a lesser number TF follow higher number one
result
TF 16 and TF 18 moved, but TF 14 remained at 101 138

Save 32
https://www.dropbox.com/s/79wkjubla60eqd0/wpae032.pws?dl=0
order:
TF 18 cancel follow order, TF 14 follow TF 18 instead
result
everyone moved





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