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rmarine -> Subs & Torpedoes (2/7/2004 4:58:47 PM)

[&:]Hi all

I've been playing the game for a couple of weeks now ... absolutely brilliant!! However, one thing is really puzzling (and annoying) me!! Hope someone can explain.

Why is it that whenever one of my subs contacts an enemy Capital ship (eg CV, BB, CA, CL, DD), fires a spread of torps and actually manages to hit the thing, I will only ever hit with one torpedo (and then hardly ever) ... but when my subs fire at a poxy little MSW, they will hit with normally two and often three torpedoes??? Very frustrating!

Carl



Philwd -> RE: Subs & Torpedoes (2/7/2004 7:42:37 PM)

Are you playing as USN? The USN fleet subs(not the S-boats) have the historical torpedo dud problem. I have found thier success improves dramatically in early '43.

One other thought is speed of the target. Slower targets would get hit more.

Quark



rmarine -> RE: Subs & Torpedoes (2/7/2004 8:02:31 PM)

Thanks for the input Quark. Much appreciated.

Yes I am playing as the Allies and I can see the sense of the duds (should have thought of that myself). I think you're right that speed of target must be the answer ... all of my attacks on Capital ships are at sea, whilst the MSWs are poodling around their port hexes. I think that distance to target must have something to do with as well (the further the distance the greater the spread) ... or am I attributing too much to a computer program?

Carl



pasternakski -> RE: Subs & Torpedoes (2/7/2004 8:10:23 PM)

I don't know if there is a calculation for distance, Carl, but torpedoes have an effective range, so there's probably something to it. I think, too, that TFs containing ASW capable ships like DDs (even the IJN ones) inhibit your sub attack results through some calculation involving their ASW ratings.

I always think of getting a torpedo hit on anything as sort of an unexpected Christmas present. I never count on submarines being able to accomplish anything, so I just try to put 'em where they can do some damage and hope for the best. The nasty little minefields they can lay are worth thinking about, too.



Drex -> RE: Subs & Torpedoes (2/7/2004 8:14:46 PM)

I am trying to hang on to my subs by using them as minelayers in '42 and then switching to patrol by '43. I lose them too fast by putting them on patrol but minelaying allows them to place their mines and haul ass out of the area. By '43 I still have the majority of my subs and can cover the enemy's routes pretty well.



Nomad -> RE: Subs & Torpedoes (2/7/2004 8:20:32 PM)

I am sure that target speed plays a large role. I had one of my I subs hit a heavily damaged USN CV with 3 torps in one firing. She did not stay afloat long. [:D]



rmarine -> RE: Subs & Torpedoes (2/10/2004 2:52:50 PM)

Thanks for all the replies guys.

I think you're all correct ... speed of target seems to be the main factor. I've also been reading up on the Sub war in the Pacific and all books seem to point to the fact that the US torps where pretty crap until 1943ish. They either didn't explode on impact or went off too early or too late. We shall see what happens when I enter 1943! Having said that though, 2 nights ago I managed to put 2 torps into an undamaged Japanese CV!! Woo hoo!

Carl



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