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Wuotan -> RE: A Personal Observation:Playing as the Germans (3/24/2004 5:17:06 PM)
Wow! I hate political correctness, so i play just as germans or japanese.[:D] SPWAW is a film in my head. I smell the snow or the dust and hear the battle raging even with "sound off". There is no place to think about "good" and "bad". Of course my imagination uses cliches to bring live into the pixels (the typical majestic, laconic japanese officer, the gum-chewing GI, the Landser a la "Steiner"...). They are shapes, nothing more or less. Like actors in a film. And that is FUN and the explanation that a pacifist can play wargames. My two pence.

rich12545 -> RE: A Personal Observation:Playing as the Germans (3/25/2004 4:19:33 AM)
Renaud This being said, a last word about the Wehrmacht implication in the holocaust and the war atrocities: it's indeed completely false to think that only the SS were guilty. It would imply that it is possible to make war focusing on the 'how' without asking questions about the 'why'. A typical dictatorial statement, abundantly used during the Nuremberg trials by criminals. Von Manstein, for example, was a die-hard Nazi and he was perfectly aware of what was happening behind the lines. Many other German high-rank officers had heard about the 'final solution', but only thought about killing Hitler when it became obvious that the war was lost and that it was the only hope to save Germany from foreign occupation... Think about it ! What you say is true. But it has NOTHING to do with the game. You don't glorify anyone playing the germans. All you do is play a game. It has nothing to do with nazi politics, the holocaust or anything else.

Tombstone -> RE: A Personal Observation:Playing as the Germans (3/25/2004 4:58:33 AM)
The events of ww2 influenced our world in so many ways. It's not strange that people have strong feelings about it, the more you study it the more you realise how collossal a struggle it all was. It was SO MUCH in SO MANY ways. I totally sympathise with Ammo's stance on Germany and Japan, but in my case it doesn't stop me from playing those nations in SPWAW. Like I said, I've done extensive scenario building with the SS as the focus. I do feel a little nervous about appearing a little like a nazi glorifier to some or worse, attract the types that love the SS like they we're heroes come from heaven. This stuff doesn't have much to do with the game, but as regulars at these forums it does have something to do with the people that play them. I personally started playing wargames because I loved the force and magnitude of warfare. To me tanks were attractive in so many ways... I liked war, and I got into it. I've had a million misconceptions over the last 10 years or so (my period of focused amateur war history study) and I'm still synthesizing data and learning new things. I have a really different opinion of war now... hmm I don't know where I'm going with this, but it felt vaguely relevant to the discussion. Tomo

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