RE: Keeping Nagumo's fleet in the PH area

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Pascal_slith -> RE: Keeping Nagumo's fleet in the PH area (5/22/2004 12:40:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Xargun One thing you guys may be forgetting. Although Japan had a large navy and very modern there was no way they could invade the west coast and have a prayer of supporting their attacks. They could have taken a few major cities, but then be stopped - not by our military (was to weak at that point), but by the shear distance between the West coast and Japan - therefore all reinforcements and supplies would have weeks of travel to get where they were needed - and thats not counting the hayday our surviving fleet (mostly CVs) would have had against the Japanese shipping. If Japan wanted to invade the US, there was no way they would have the resources to hit the SRA - therefore their economy would have foundered in 1942 some time and their units on the west coast would have been eventually starved and wiped out.. The US was just to far for any concieved invasion at that time... Xargun Invading the US was not their objective in any case. Japan was seeking to gain extra territory in a limited war from which it hoped to negotiate an end. This is what they did in the 1890's against China and in 1905 against the Russians. Being on the Allied side in WWI gave them added possessions (ex-German territory) and a spot at the table at the Treaty of Versailles with limited engagement in the conflict. Their mistake was not understanding the impact of a direct attack on the US would entail (no negotiation).

LTCMTS -> RE: Keeping Nagumo's fleet in the PH area (5/22/2004 1:25:11 AM)
Haven't any of you read "War Plan Orange" or "Road to Rainbow" or "Commander in Chief" or even the relevant volumes in the Army's Official History (the Green Books)? Regardless of the heirs of Sims, even a part of the Navy (Stark and Plan "Dog") recognized the relative levels of threat posed by the Axis nations as early as 1939, but especially so after the fall of France. The Pacific was going to be a primary theater only if the Germans could be held at bay in Europe. Once France fell (and while the USSR was still a de facto ally of Germany), the US had no option but to concentrate on the Atlantic. Not a single senior US official doubted that despite early reverses, which were expected and incorporated in planning, the US could single handedly crush Japan in a war of 3-4 years max, even after assisting the Allies in crushing Germany. There was nothing the Japanese could do, short of invading the mainland US (in other words, nothing), that was going to disuade the US NCA to alter it's "Germany First" strategy. As it was, between Dec '41 and Jun '42, the Pacific received the majority of available assets, until a strategic stalemate was achieved and then the resource allocation shifted to a 70/30 split between the Atlantic and the Pacific. The only way to focus the US on Japan would be to have a straight "Orange Plan" scenario, and that would require a significantly different history of the world between 1914 and 1941 (or even 1895 to 1941).

panda124c -> RE: Keeping Nagumo's fleet in the PH area (5/25/2004 12:15:09 AM)
Has anyone considered the possiblility of Nagumo, after hitting PH, returning to Japan by way of Midway to support an early landing there. The idea is to grab Midway while the US is on the ropes. This would give the Japanese a leg up on it defensive perimiter.

Xargun -> RE: Keeping Nagumo's fleet in the PH area (5/25/2004 12:35:47 AM)
Unless its a large enough airfield to put bombers, I think all you would be doing is giving the US player a nice little target to practice on... His CVs could operate fairly safely (if the airfield is too small for bombers) and his Bombardment TFs would pound the hell out of Midway. Basically that early in the game you are just writting off any forces you put there. I think taking midway is a good move, but to early in the game and you'll spend everything you got to support it. Taking it in 42 is much better, as your LBA and fleet needs will be much less at the time. Xargun

panda124c -> RE: Keeping Nagumo's fleet in the PH area (5/28/2004 1:34:54 AM)
There are advantages, denial of if from the allies and a base for long range recon a/c. Advance refueling base and the allies have to take it back before begining the Central Pacific path to Japan. Anything the Japanese can do to slow the allies down is good. With Midway and Wake to present an advanced picket line to the main line of defences. Early on the allies don't have the strength to take it back until late 42 or beyond.

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