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Von Rom -> 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 6:25:09 PM)

Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks and Gary Goetzman -- the Emmy-winning creative team behind "Band of Brothers" -- are mounting a new 10-part World War II mini-series centered on battles in the Pacific theater.

Any more info regarding this project?

I wonder if it will cover many of the battles in the Pacific War?

Is it based on any book?




KG Erwin -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 6:44:20 PM)

Von Rom, I've been following the story of this project with much interest. It is as yet untitled, but the writing team is headed up by Bruce McKenna. It is supposed to be an original script, not based on any particular book. Both here and at the SPWaW Depot, you'll find earlier threads I started on this called "A Band of Brothers for the Pacific?"




Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 7:10:43 PM)

It won't be easy for them to surpass films already done though.

Halls of Montezuma and Guadalcanal Diary are as far as I am concerned the benchmarks by which I will be judging anything they do. And it will take more than special effects to beat those films and other like them.




Von Rom -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 7:14:18 PM)

I'd like to see this Pacific theatre series of episodes move through many of the battles and islands in the Pacific. It should be centered around a fictional group of soldiers so that we can get the full flavour of the Pacific struggle.

With computer special effects, even carrier/air battles can be portrayed.




Fallschirmjager -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 7:15:04 PM)

I hope its 10 episodes on Guadalcanal.
The whole operation was in danger of being swept away at almost any point.

I really need to look into adding HBO to my cable...
It takes far too long to come out on DVD afterwards.
It would be nice if they would put it out on DVD right after the last episode aired.




Von Rom -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 7:17:40 PM)

At least from the action scenes in Saving Private Ryan, we know that Spielberg can create very authentic action sequences.

I agree that not having HBO means missing some excellent movies. . .

Anyone watch the Sopranos?




Cap Mandrake -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 7:26:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

I hope its 10 episodes on Guadalcanal.
The whole operation was in danger of being swept away at almost any point.

I really need to look into adding HBO to my cable...
It takes far too long to come out on DVD afterwards.
It would be nice if they would put it out on DVD right after the last episode aired.


Guadalcanal would be an obvious choice, because of the close run nature of the thing. Or Iwo Jima. Even Wake or Corregidor if the public would put up with the good gus losing.




Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 7:35:17 PM)

not sure how they would do it, but I would want it to somehow combine maybe some blokes that had connections with brothers either by family or just friendship both as marines, and as seamen.

I don't want the epic battles of the marines to be seen as being separate from the epic battles of the navy as they were inescapably woven together.

Gaudalcanal for instance, it was the guys on the beach, but it was also the guys on the water, and the guys in the air. That whole campaign was a very close tense campaign.




Von Rom -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 7:45:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1

not sure how they would do it, but I would want it to somehow combine maybe some blokes that had connections with brothers either by family or just friendship both as marines, and as seamen.

I don't want the epic battles of the marines to be seen as being separate from the epic battles of the navy as they were inescapably woven together.

Gaudalcanal for instance, it was the guys on the beach, but it was also the guys on the water, and the guys in the air. That whole campaign was a very close tense campaign.


I agree here.

The Pacific War was fought on land, sea and sky. The 10 episodes could follow three groups of military personnel: marines, seaman, and pilots. Then move through the conflict, covering many of the more important battles. . .




Huskalator -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 8:00:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Von Rom

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ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1

not sure how they would do it, but I would want it to somehow combine maybe some blokes that had connections with brothers either by family or just friendship both as marines, and as seamen.

I don't want the epic battles of the marines to be seen as being separate from the epic battles of the navy as they were inescapably woven together.

Gaudalcanal for instance, it was the guys on the beach, but it was also the guys on the water, and the guys in the air. That whole campaign was a very close tense campaign.


I agree here.

The Pacific War was fought on land, sea and sky. The 10 episodes could follow three groups of military personnel: marines, seaman, and pilots. Then move through the conflict, covering many of the more important battles. . .



I dissagree. The story should be focused on a small group of soldiers. Its Band of Brothers not Band of Inescapably Woven Services. What made BoB so great was the interpersonal struggles as well as the struggle against the Germans. I will never forget characters like Garnier, Winters, or even Soble. If there are too many characters covering too many operations, all that gets diluted.

In BoB were the soldiers any less connected to the tanks, air, or their supply chain? Who wants to see the life and times of the ammo truck driver?




Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 8:17:14 PM)

The best fiction I have EVER read ie military fiction for this discussion, was Brotherhood of War, by WEB Griffon.

It was about a cast of individuals that wandered through actual historical events spanning from Torch through to I think mid Vietnam years.
It was always the same dudes of course, but it was not just one branch of service.

I think if Speilberg wants to wow us, he will have to accept, that BoB in Marine dungarees will be simply to easy.
I am sure he could provide a nice film either way, but why do it that way?

Why not give a stunning tribute to all of the wonderful blokes that fought often seriously difficult battles in the process.
Sure they could do it all separate, a BoB from any one unit or type of service, but why?




Von Rom -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 8:33:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Deep Breakfast

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ORIGINAL: Von Rom

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ORIGINAL: Les_the_Sarge_9_1

not sure how they would do it, but I would want it to somehow combine maybe some blokes that had connections with brothers either by family or just friendship both as marines, and as seamen.

I don't want the epic battles of the marines to be seen as being separate from the epic battles of the navy as they were inescapably woven together.

Gaudalcanal for instance, it was the guys on the beach, but it was also the guys on the water, and the guys in the air. That whole campaign was a very close tense campaign.


I agree here.

The Pacific War was fought on land, sea and sky. The 10 episodes could follow three groups of military personnel: marines, seaman, and pilots. Then move through the conflict, covering many of the more important battles. . .



I dissagree. The story should be focused on a small group of soldiers. Its Band of Brothers not Band of Inescapably Woven Services. What made BoB so great was the interpersonal struggles as well as the struggle against the Germans. I will never forget characters like Garnier, Winters, or even Soble. If there are too many characters covering too many operations, all that gets diluted.

In BoB were the soldiers any less connected to the tanks, air, or their supply chain? Who wants to see the life and times of the ammo truck driver?


I understand how you feel, and that approach has a great deal of merit.

In the original BoB, I found the first few episodes were the best, where it involved a lot of action. The later episodes, while interesting, were very "talkie", and far less exciting.

There has never been a movie covering the major engagements of the Paific War, so I am hoping that somehow, with 10 episodes, this new version can still follow a few characters (say brothers or friends who are in the three main branches of the Armed Forces), but also covering a greater range of the War in the Pacific.




benpark -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 8:41:00 PM)

For those that don't have it yet-check out the "SPR WW2 Collection" on DVD. There is one of the best documentary films I have ever seen about combat cameramen on it, as well as a Pac doc that I have yet to watch. There is footage I have never seen throughout the film, most of it in the Pac theatre (and very brutal).




Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 9:17:26 PM)

What Speilberg needs to decide of course, is how much movie will it be and how much documentary will it be.

And in the end, how well can he compete with what I already own.

Guadalcanal Diary is a hard act to follow.
And so too is stuff like the Victory at Sea series.

I am not going to go goffy over something if it is in the end just more of what I already have. Sure I am not the be all and end all of the universe, but if I started a poll and asked guys to rank the top 10 movies and documentaries "they actually own now", I dare say, a lot of it would be just a lot of us listing the same stuff over and over.

So I don't think it is just me saying this to some extent. :)

What they want is a tribute production. So they will need to make it plenty stirring to be actually worthy. And I can't think of anything more stiring than a tribute to the whole effort that was the war in the Pacific.

It took the blood and sweat of the whole of america's fighting machine in close concert in most of those famous battles we all know so well. No one service could have survived long on it's own.
And in the case of Guadalcanal, you often had fly guys bunking in the same mud as the grunts too.




riverbravo -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 9:34:39 PM)

YES YES YES.

Im really looking forward to this.

With the recent memorial day that just passed I found a few things disturbing.The focus on the ETO for example.

It seems that a lot of people kind of forget about the pacific theatre.It was a totaly differnt beast all together with some stellar campaigns and god awful battles in extreme heat.

The two theatres seem almost opposites of each other entirely.

I hope also that they focus on a bit of everything,Naval,Air and ground all working together.Maybe it can stress the use of support a bit more.Wicked naval bombardments and the like.

Wouldnt it be cool if they did it like the Sopranos?An ongoing series that could stretch out for years!

I would also maybe like to see a bit more focus on the enemy soldiers and thoughts also.

You could focus on both.I german regiment with a cast of characters that starts in poland and goes through the East front only to clash with a cast of American or british troops wich you have also followed for a bit in the series.The same could be done with the pacific.maybe focus on pilots a bit or maybe a nasty jap commander who has a taste for beheading to meet a nasty death at the hands of Allied troops.

The sheer magnitude of WW2 leaves endless posibilities not to mention it could be historical as well.

I feel this is one of the best ways to introduce noobies to WW2.Its got to be one of the greatest attention grabbers to specific topics there can be to reach the masses.

Not only would all of us be thrilled with an ongoing series produced by speilberg but they could milk it to death.The milking could make LOTR look small with every season coming out on DVD[:)]

Either way Im damn glad they are creating this series and I am really looking forward to it.[:D]




Lucifuge -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/12/2004 10:19:28 PM)

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Halls of Montezuma and Guadalcanal Diary are as far as I am concerned the benchmarks by which I will be judging anything they do. And it will take more than special effects to beat those films and other like them.


Considering the quality of BoB series, I would say they are up to the task :) Personally though I hate it if its based on fictional group of soldiers, that was part of BoB's greatness imo.




Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/13/2004 1:27:48 AM)

Fictional will likely be a lot easier to realise.

I would not enjoy the task to some extent being asked to find an equal bunch of blokes that fought in the Pacific.

No small task.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/13/2004 1:31:27 AM)

Guadalcanal has some great stories:


Sergeant Major Sir Jacob Charles Vouza
Jacob Charles Vouza was born in 1900 at Tasimboko, Guadalcanal, British Solomon Islands Protectorate, and educated at the South Seas Evangelical Mission School there. In 1916 he joined the Solomon Islands Protectorate Armed Constabulary, from which he retired at the rank of sergeant major in 1941 after 25 years of service.
After the Japanese invaded his home island in World War II, he returned to active duty with the British forces and volunteered to work with the Coastwatchers. Vouza's experience as a scout had already been established when the 1st Marine Division landed on Guadalcanal. On 7 August 1942 he rescued a downed naval pilot from the USS Wasp who was shot down inside Japanese territory. He guided the pilot to friendly lines where Vouza met the Marines for the first time.

Vouza then volunteered to scout behind enemy lines for the Marines. On 27 August he was captured by the Japanese while on a Marine Corps mission to locate suspected enemy lookout stations. Having found a small American flag in Vouza's loincloth, the Japanese tied him to a tree and tired to force him to reveal information about Allied forces. Vouza was questioned for hours, but refused to talk. He was tortured and bayoneted about the arms, throat, shoulder, face, and stomach, and left to die.

He managed to free himself after his captors departed, and made his way through the miles of jungle to American lines. There he gave valuable intelligence information to the Marines about an impending Japanese attack before accepting medical attention.

After spending 12 days in the hospital, Vouza then returned to duty as the chief scout for the Marines. He accompanied Lieutenant Colonel Evans. F. Carlson and the 2d Marine Raider Battalion when they made their 30-day raid behind enemy lines at Guadalcanal.

Sergeant Major Vouza was highly decorated for his World War II service. The Silver Star was presented to him personally by Major General Alexander A. Vandegrift, commanding general of the 1st Marine Division, for refusing to give information under Japanese torture. He also was awarded the Legion of Merit for outstanding service with the 2d Raider Battalion during November and December 1942, and the British George Medal for gallant conduct and exceptional devotion to duty. He later received the Police Long Service Medal and, in 1957, was made a Member of the British Empire for long and faithful government service.

After the war, Vouza continued to serve his fellow islanders. In 1949, he was appointed district headman, and president of the Guadalcanal Council, from 1952-1958. He served as a member of the British Solomon Islands Protectorate Advisory Council from 1950 to 1960.

He made many friends during his long association with the U.S. Marine Corps and through the years was continually visited on Guadalcanal by Marines. During 1968, Vouza visited the United States, where he was the honored guest of the 1st Marine Division Association. In 1979, he was knighted by Britain's Queen Elizabeth II. He died on 15 March 1984. -- Ann A. Ferrante


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Fallschirmjager -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/13/2004 1:45:40 AM)

Guadalcanal is my favorite battle to read about. The entire operation was so risky and patched together, it makes for great reading.
The lack of naval and air support (until the airfield was built) really made for an intense operation.
The 1st USMC division endured one of the toughest assignments of the war in which they received very little help.
And besides some smaller actions like the Dieppe raid it was the first offensive against the Axis in the war.




Mr.Frag -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/13/2004 9:51:36 PM)

One of the things they can bring to the screen is just how horrible the conditions were. Very few movies have really portrayed just how tough the climate was on the men and machines. Just as BoB gave people a small taste of being on the receiving end of arty, perhaps this next set can give meaning to the jungle fighting.




Doggie -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/14/2004 6:18:43 AM)

Hate to break it to the Guadalcanal fans, but an magazine article I saw about it indicates it will be based on With the old Breed
by E.B. Sledge. Peleliu and Okinawa, not Guadalcanal.




Madcombinepilot -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/14/2004 7:11:03 AM)

Just so long as they make the best damn movie they can make, and not try and milk ye 'ol cash cow, It will be a good series. Series and movies where they regurgitate crap to sell tend to suck (ie. Pearl Harbor).




Von Rom -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/14/2004 9:15:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Doggie

Hate to break it to the Guadalcanal fans, but an magazine article I saw about it indicates it will be based on With the old Breed
by E.B. Sledge. Peleliu and Okinawa, not Guadalcanal.


That's not too bad. Although I was hoping for the series to take us through the Pacific War - kinda like "The Winds of War" and "War and Rememberance" did for WWII.

Still no Iwo, eh?

Just hoping the series will be done well and have a real impact. . .




Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/14/2004 4:34:52 PM)

Peleliu was a horrifying meatgrinder event.

I just watched my tape that feature Sledge actually. And I have his book.

One thing is certain, if they do Peleliu, and do it right, it won't look pretty.




Slick91 -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/14/2004 4:42:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucifuge

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Halls of Montezuma and Guadalcanal Diary are as far as I am concerned the benchmarks by which I will be judging anything they do. And it will take more than special effects to beat those films and other like them.


Considering the quality of BoB series, I would say they are up to the task :) Personally though I hate it if its based on fictional group of soldiers, that was part of BoB's greatness imo.


Very, very true! I made it a point to read the book BEFORE I saw the series. While the HBO series was very true to the book, I enjoyed the book more because it was more personal and it explained the “Band” part in the title’s name. It is one of the best books I have ever read.

These guys were not “characters” as someone mentioned before. They were/are living breathing people like you and I that were called upon their country to do a heroic deed.

That is what happens when a true life story is put on the big screen. It always becomes Hollywood-ish in appearance and assumed as such. You loose the connection of real life to that of former fictional accounts. There always seems to be a little voice in the back of your head that says, “Ah, its fake. It is a movie after all.”

“Band of Brothers” was not written or filmed as an “action” movie. It was made to show what war is like at the grunt level. When it comes down to the man in the foxhole, it is all about living vs. dieing, keeping your honor, and not letting your buddy next to you down.

The best part about the DVD collection is the documentary on the last disc with the living members of Easy Company. That feature ties in the drama of the series to the real life men of which the book honored.

Tom Clancy said about the difference between writing fiction vs. non-fiction is “non-fiction has to be believable.”




jwarrenw13 -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/14/2004 11:08:34 PM)

There are so many ways you could go with this. I have an uncle who was both on the Lexington when it was sunk during the battle of the Coral Sea, and who ultimately went thru the war and was wounded on Iwo Jima.




Doggie -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/15/2004 12:34:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Von Rom



That's not too bad. Although I was hoping for the series to take us through the Pacific War - kinda like "The Winds of War" and "War and Rememberance" did for WWII.

Still no Iwo, eh?

Just hoping the series will be done well and have a real impact. . .



Gee, maybe they can throw in some navy nurses for romantic interest. The Olson twins are 18 now and this could be their breakthrough into dramatic cinema. Then we could maybe have Brad Pitt and Leonardo Dicaprio as a couple of devil may care Marine officers who are both in love with Claire Daines. Then one of them volunteers to go China with the AVG, then they can fight on Okinawa for a while before they team up to fly the Enola Gay on a secret mission to Hiroshima.

That would be awesome.[8|]




New York Jets -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/15/2004 12:52:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Von Rom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Hate to break it to the Guadalcanal fans, but an magazine article I saw about it indicates it will be based on With the old Breed
by E.B. Sledge. Peleliu and Okinawa, not Guadalcanal.


That's not too bad. Although I was hoping for the series to take us through the Pacific War - kinda like "The Winds of War" and "War and Rememberance" did for WWII.

Still no Iwo, eh?

Just hoping the series will be done well and have a real impact. . .


Are you nuts? The Winds of War & War and Rememberance SUCKED!
All of them 'great actors' together, with a lousy script and lousy direction = sh1t.

Make it gritty. Make it real. If that means a cast of 'no names' or 'B Listers', then so be it. Just because you're an 'A List' movie star doesn't mean you can act.




New York Jets -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/15/2004 12:53:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Doggie

Hate to break it to the Guadalcanal fans, but an magazine article I saw about it indicates it will be based on With the old Breed
by E.B. Sledge. Peleliu and Okinawa, not Guadalcanal.


Doggie. I'm not familiar with the title. Which battle/campaign does it cover?




Reiryc -> RE: 'Band of Brothers' Team Heads for Pacific Theater (6/15/2004 1:20:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Chris Trog

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doggie

Hate to break it to the Guadalcanal fans, but an magazine article I saw about it indicates it will be based on With the old Breed
by E.B. Sledge. Peleliu and Okinawa, not Guadalcanal.


Doggie. I'm not familiar with the title. Which battle/campaign does it cover?


I'm guessing it would have to do with those islands.....




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