What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th????

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PzLdr -> What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/3/2004 8:44:54 PM)
What would have happen if US Intel knew of the Dec 7th Attack and the USN positioned itself to attack the IJN CV TF when they attacked Pearl... interesting question... well seems the Vary Setup option let that happen. The results are.... Well first the screen shot... [image]local://upfiles/6439/Cz796881086.jpg[/image]

Caltone -> RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/3/2004 8:51:41 PM)
So what happened? My money would be on Japan in this situation except that KB's airgroups don't have any naval attack orders on Dec 7th do they? Wonder if this option of the vary setup will give them some naval attack orders. I usually play with historic first and no vary. Which side are you in the screenshot? Good Luck either way! [8D]

PzLdr -> RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/3/2004 8:55:37 PM)
Well the results... are not as good as the real Battle of Midway... Even with the US 2 CVs attacking after the main PH atk, they still get eaten up by the IJN navy fighter pilots. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 76 D3A Val x 126 B5N Kate x 143 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 4 P-26A x 6 P-36A Mohawk x 11 P-40B Tomahawk x 31 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 17 destroyed, 6 damaged D3A Val: 14 destroyed, 41 damaged B5N Kate: 13 destroyed, 31 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged P-26A: 11 destroyed P-36A Mohawk: 24 destroyed, 12 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 61 destroyed, 20 damaged PBY Catalina: 26 destroyed, 44 damaged B-18A Bolo: 10 destroyed, 15 damaged B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 14 damaged A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed Allied Ships BB Arizona, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DMS Boggs, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Blue, Bomb hits 1 PT PT-30, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire AR Medusa, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB California, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2 BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CL Detroit, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1 PT PT-29, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage PT PT-42, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AO Neosho, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DMS Perry, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Case, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AP St. Mihel, Torpedo hits 1, on fire Allied ground losses: 109 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Airbase hits 36 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 204 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet 16 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 15 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet 24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 24 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 13 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 15 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 16 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 18 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet 25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 111,66 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 50 Allied aircraft F2A Buffalo x 12 F4F-3 Wildcat x 13 SBD Dauntless x 68 TBD Devastator x 27 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied aircraft losses F2A Buffalo: 25 destroyed, 3 damaged F4F-3 Wildcat: 26 destroyed, 2 damaged SBD Dauntless: 70 destroyed, 16 damaged TBD Devastator: 19 destroyed, 7 damaged Japanese Ships CV Hiryu BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 1 BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1 CV Akagi CV Shokaku CA Chikuma Aircraft Attacking: 2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet 1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet 4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 111,66 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 31 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 6 SBD Dauntless x 17 P-26A x 3 P-36A Mohawk x 9 P-40B Tomahawk x 36 B-18A Bolo x 6 A-20B Boston x 3 B-17E Fortress x 3 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 22 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged SBD Dauntless: 18 destroyed, 2 damaged P-26A: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged P-36A Mohawk: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged P-40B Tomahawk: 55 destroyed, 6 damaged B-18A Bolo: 1 damaged A-20B Boston: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged Japanese Ships CV Akagi BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet 1 x A-20B Boston bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------- So the end results is so far no major changes... didn't get a single IJN CV hit. Still lost a number of ships at Pearl and now I have two USN CVs with depleted air wings and no replacements until they build up in the game. [:@] Now its time to race the CVs out of there. Should I send a BB TF after the IJN... Hmm I expect not... Oh... the IJN...did get a ton of new fighter aces out the engagement. [:@]

Caltone -> RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/3/2004 8:59:42 PM)
Run Away, Run Away. I'm sure the Japanese BB's took no real damage and now the airgroups will come for you. [X(]

Williamb -> RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/3/2004 11:51:32 PM)
Ah the Bonuses that the Zeros get Kicks in big time. no early midways is too Suicidal. Guess early war stragety is to protect the CVs at all cost. Run around while everything blows up is a correct anology of Allied early war stragety.

BrucePowers -> RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/4/2004 1:18:47 AM)
If you send the battleships out, the IJN will sink them.[:D] I wanted to try this in SPI's War in the Pacific - try to kill these BB's once and for all. However, my friend and I did not have time to try this. WE barely got the game set up before we had to take it down. I am going to try it here. (I am also going to try to get this friend to buy this game.)

Alikchi2 -> RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/4/2004 2:22:57 AM)
I had a pretty good turn historically as the Allies. Intercepted the KB with Saratoga and Enterprise on Dec. 9th. Damaged Shokaku and BB Hiei (sp?), and put three 1000 pound bombs through Kaga. :D Of course, I lost Enterprise (20 bombs, 18 torpedoes [X(]) and the combined remnants of Enterprise and Saratoga's wings now number something like 40 aircraft. Putting Kaga out of action for a while might have been worth it.. it almost seems like an early Coral Sea.

Nikademus -> RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/4/2004 2:26:58 AM)
what happens if Midway happens on Dec 7th? a new game gets started thats what.....[:'(] It would take a dedicated Japan player to want to continue playing a game THIS long after such a reversal on turn 1. [;)]

incbob -> RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? (7/4/2004 2:56:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nikademus what happens if Midway happens on Dec 7th? a new game gets started thats what.....[:'(] It would take a dedicated Japan player to want to continue playing a game THIS long after such a reversal on turn 1. [;)] LMAO Actually looking at the results you got I think this is, arguably, pretty historical. If, the US CV's had been around they would probably have gotten their butts kicked because the IJN had Numerical and Experience advantages. Pretty neat to see it happen. Its why I LOVE these games.

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