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MadDawg -> No Japanese aircraft production in any (production off) scenario!!! (7/31/2004 8:57:31 AM)

Hi All,

Ive done a clean install, installed the patch, and started scenario 5 as the Japanese player for a PBEM. Ive notice that under the Aircraft Replacement Pool the rate at which planes are being built is set to '0' for all aircraft.

I dont know much about the production system for aircraft at all yet (which is actually off for this scenario) but I just wanted to check this is how it should be before continuing too far? This is only the second turn, so do the aircraft start to be produced some time into the scenario? Any ideas whats going on? [:)]

Dawg



Drongo -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (7/31/2004 9:35:52 AM)

It's not just scenario 5. All the small map scenarios are like that.

Take note of the very large starting pools of Japanese a/c. It may be that this was the chosen design course rather than to give the Japs a monthly a/c build rate.

I've asked for confirmation in the development thread and if it is not what I mentioned above, I'll let you know in this thread.



MadDawg -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (7/31/2004 9:59:01 AM)

Thanks Drongo,

I did notice the amount in the pool, but if this is the case it means that in scenario 5 I only have 51 A6M2's and 0 A6M3's to last for an 8 month campaign, which sounds a little odd to say the least.

Dawg



mogami -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (7/31/2004 11:20:07 AM)

Hi, In Scenario 5 when you click on the intell screen and then bring up the Aircraft Replacement pool the column that is headed by "Replacement Rate" shows 28 A6M3 and 16 A6M2. THat is per month not total. The Production Rate is -
Replacements can be set by the designer in place of production or in addition to production.
But mostly production is only used in the large scenarios (where the Japanese player sets it)
If you run the Allies you'll notice he uses both. (There are allied aircraft that arrive via production and in the same scenario aircraft that have a replacement rate that does not include what is in the production system.)

Also there are over 300 A6M2/3 in the groups that either begin on map or arrive as reinforcements. There are 72 Oscars. (This does not include those that are on carriers that arrive later)



Drongo -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (7/31/2004 12:42:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami
Hi, In Scenario 5 when you click on the intell screen and then bring up the Aircraft Replacement pool the column that is headed by "Replacement Rate" shows 28 A6M3 and 16 A6M2.


Well, mine has 0 under the replacement rate for all Jap aircraft types.

Either me or you have got the wrong version of the scenarios. [:)]



coralsaw -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (7/31/2004 1:04:59 PM)

Same problem here. In the South Pac scenario, the a/c replacements rates are all 0, and the pool numbers seem warped. 50 odd zeros, and hundreds of transport a/c are a little odd. BTW, this was not the case before the patch, the same scenario had what seemed to be normal pool and rate numbers to last a year.

/coralsaw



MadDawg -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (7/31/2004 3:33:54 PM)

Yup, I have a big fat zero too. This is a fresh reinstall with 1.20 installed over the top.

Dawg



Nomad -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (7/31/2004 4:24:39 PM)

I took a quick look using the editor. Seems all the build rates are 0. [:(] New 1.20 version installed.



MadDawg -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 12:38:42 AM)

Hey could we get some feedback on this please?

Ive already spent hours setting setting this scenario up and doing the first couple of turns and all I want to know is if the game is working correctly or if this is another show stopper.

Dawg



HawaiiFive-O -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 2:23:59 AM)

Yikes! This certainly will put a damper on the small map scenarios.

I was reviewing Guadalcanal for my next possible PBEM, but no replacement planes doesn't sound like fun to me.

'Course the 'Return of the Battleship' might be fun to play too. [;)]



Oliver Heindorf -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 3:05:55 AM)

I have scen 4 started....no jap replacements at all, only in pool some A/C

The allied have replacement AC

no, I wont do this in a PBEM, boring for the jap then



Bodhi -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 3:18:38 AM)

If I'm correct in assuming that the aircraft replacement data is saved in the wpaXXX.dat file (XXX is the scenario#), then it appears that the ALL the restricted map scenario aircraft database files are identical to the one for scenario #15. This wasn't the case in the 1.10 files. As scenario#15 is set up for production and not replacements, this may be the cause of the problem.

Any possibility there's been a mistake in compiling the database files for the 1.20 patch?



pry -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 4:32:20 AM)

Yes there is a problem with replacements with all small map scenarios and it is solely my fault. 2By3 and Matrix are totally blameless.

I am sending in replacement files as I write this, hopefully they can be released as an emergency patch. I made a tragic mistake and error by overwriting all the scenario aircraft data files with the same copy, thus screwing the pooch big time for replacements for all small map scenarios.

I wish to make a public apology to everyone for this unforgivable error on my part, as I said 2by3 and Matrix are blameless.
No one in the world feels worse about this right now than I do right now. I am sorry.



Tankerace -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 4:33:33 AM)

Well, that's good to know then, at least it'll be fixed.

Of course, it seems Matrix needs to revamp its "Quality Control" to make sure this doesn't happen. It's not all your fault pry, if Matrix had done a better job of checking this, it wouldn't have happened.



MadDawg -> RE: No Japanese aircraft production in any (production off) scenario!!! (8/1/2004 4:38:18 AM)

Pry, no worries at all...your not getting paid for this and Im sure no one could hold it against you as mistakes happen! To be totally honest it shouldnt be your place to apologise at all....it should have been tested before being release which isnt your responsability to organise.

Any chance you could post it as an attachment for us so we can make use of it over this weekend?

Dawg



HawaiiFive-O -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 4:39:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pry

Yes there is a problem with replacements with all small map scenarios and it is solely my fault. 2By3 and Matrix are totally blameless.

I am sending in replacement files as I write this, hopefully they can be released as an emergency patch. I made a tragic mistake and error by overwriting all the scenario aircraft data files with the same copy, thus screwing the pooch big time for replacements for all small map scenarios.

I wish to make a public apology to everyone for this unforgivable error on my part, as I said 2by3 and Matrix are blameless.
No one in the world feels worse about this right now than I do right now. I am sorry.


For me, it wasn't that big a deal. I knew Matrix/2by3 would get it sorted out real quick. Thank you for clarifiying the situation so quickly.

Don't feel too bad, I really appreciate all the hard work you've put in thus far. [:)]



TF 38 -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 4:40:52 AM)

Thanks Pry,

All MG will have to do is issue a small .ZIP with the correct files. [:)]

TF 38



mogami -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 4:58:51 AM)

Hi, the solution is easy. (but time consuming.) Using the scenario files pre patch move the small scenario data files to a new folder. Install the patch and then move the data files back into the scenario folder.



Stilletto -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 4:59:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pry

Yes there is a problem with replacements with all small map scenarios and it is solely my fault. 2By3 and Matrix are totally blameless.

I am sending in replacement files as I write this, hopefully they can be released as an emergency patch. I made a tragic mistake and error by overwriting all the scenario aircraft data files with the same copy, thus screwing the pooch big time for replacements for all small map scenarios.

I wish to make a public apology to everyone for this unforgivable error on my part, as I said 2by3 and Matrix are blameless.
No one in the world feels worse about this right now than I do right now. I am sorry.


Any idea how long this will take? I had waited to start anything serious until this patch. Oh well. A little more time will just make my wife happy.



Bodhi -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 5:05:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, the solution is easy. (but time consuming.) Using the scenario files pre patch move the small scenario data files to a new folder. Install the patch and then move the data files back into the scenario folder.


Wouldn't that leave you with copies of the 1.10 database files, with their accompanying base errors and possibility of units disappearing? If it's only the aircraft replacement files that are wrong, you may be able to just replace the wpaXXX.dat files of 1.20 with those of 1.10.



Nomad -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 5:19:22 AM)

Pry, don't kick yourself, things happen. It will sort out in a few days and not be a problem. You've done a lot of unpaid work and we appreciate it. [8D]



David Heath -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 5:32:37 AM)

Hi Everyone

Sorry we missed this. We were rushing to get you the patch for the weekend and I guess we missed this. We are making a quick scenario patch as I type this. The company will be looking into making some changes for future patch release and other games. Once again we are sorry and its being corrected now.

David



Xargun -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 9:01:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pry

Yes there is a problem with replacements with all small map scenarios and it is solely my fault. 2By3 and Matrix are totally blameless.

I am sending in replacement files as I write this, hopefully they can be released as an emergency patch. I made a tragic mistake and error by overwriting all the scenario aircraft data files with the same copy, thus screwing the pooch big time for replacements for all small map scenarios.

I wish to make a public apology to everyone for this unforgivable error on my part, as I said 2by3 and Matrix are blameless.
No one in the world feels worse about this right now than I do right now. I am sorry.


Isn't stealing a plane kinda like stealing a man's horse ? And I believe thats a hangin offense in Texas.. So boys, saddle up your horses and get a Rope !!!! Its A Hangin time..

Xargun



Erik Rutins -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 9:52:52 AM)

Gentlemen,

Sorry again that we didn't catch this. A quick solution has been posted in the form of v1.21 which is now on our public ftp.matrixgames.com server. There is also a direct link in the pinned 1.21 thread at the top of this forum. Thanks, please let us know how it works.

Regards,

- Erik



Apollo11 -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 10:19:21 AM)

Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: pry

Yes there is a problem with replacements with all small map scenarios and it is solely my fault. 2By3 and Matrix are totally blameless.

I am sending in replacement files as I write this, hopefully they can be released as an emergency patch. I made a tragic mistake and error by overwriting all the scenario aircraft data files with the same copy, thus screwing the pooch big time for replacements for all small map scenarios.

I wish to make a public apology to everyone for this unforgivable error on my part, as I said 2by3 and Matrix are blameless.
No one in the world feels worse about this right now than I do right now. I am sorry.


Paul, we are all human and we all make mistakes... it is no big deal... it will be fixed in patch...


You, along with other hard working BETA testers and of course Matrix/2By3 people, really did fantastic job! [&o][&o][&o]


IMHO, WitP is very much playable and enjoyable even in v1.0 (just like Russell "Mogami" says) and with every new patch it will get even better (like Oleg Mastruko says - few start patches are a must in this "infant" phase and we should all acknowledge that)...


Leo "Apollo11"



Oliver Heindorf -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 10:24:23 AM)

pry, thank you for the quick info and the quick statement.

and thank you to the entire team around this issue for the good communication & fixing this bug in world record time.

[&o]



dtravel -> RE: No aircraft production in Scenario 5? (8/1/2004 9:53:52 PM)

Hmmmm, considering whose aircraft were messed up and the historical context.... I think hara-kiri is the only acceptable solution. [:'(][:D]



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