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Rexxx -> Where is my onboard artillery? (1/25/2002 3:59:00 PM)
Hi I'm playing v7.0, C&C off, ww2 long campaign, German side, always Eastern Europe. No MC installed so far. My problem is that my onboard artillery doesn't show up in the Indirect Fire Menue. I can see my off board artillery, my light mortars but none of my on board artillery pieces. I tried different scenarios in the long campaign, started another one. No improvement. My 75 mm FHs and sIG33 auf Pz-I (both core force) don't show up in the Indirect Fire Menue. At least I can use my sIG in direct fire missions... What am I missing? R.

Don Doom -> (1/25/2002 5:45:00 PM)
quote: Originally posted by Rexxx: Hi I'm playing v7.0, C&C off, ww2 long campaign, German side, always Eastern Europe. No MC installed so far. My problem is that my onboard artillery doesn't show up in the Indirect Fire Menue. I can see my off board artillery, my light mortars but none of my on board artillery pieces. I tried different scenarios in the long campaign, started another one. No improvement. My 75 mm FHs and sIG33 auf Pz-I (both core force) don't show up in the Indirect Fire Menue. At least I can use my sIG in direct fire missions... What am I missing? R. Morning. The 75mm FH should show up. The sig33 or sig33pzkI will not show up as they are direct fire only. Try deleting your steel.pre file and either staring over or with your last save and see if that helps. Good Luck.

Bing -> (1/25/2002 9:37:00 PM)
Don- He might have chosen the direct fire infantry support version of the 75mm - check the OOB for the codes. The sIG's are not intended to be anything but direct fire support weapons. Bing

challenge -> (1/25/2002 10:55:00 PM)
I had the same issue awhiloe back. It seems that all 75mms are not created equal. Fro example the ones that come with the Inf Company are only direct fire weapons and do not appear on the art list for indirect fire. (I later traded these for SP motars and they do show up.) Somewhere in this forum is a long discussion on the different types of artillery and the common usage. Basically, it comes down to whether the gun was designed for high arch, low arch, variable powder or set powder loads.

Charles2222 -> (1/25/2002 11:07:00 PM)
Yes, though I don't have V7.0, I can tell you that Gerry does have 75mm artillery onboard. Actually, if you pick ANY 75mm gun Gerry has, it will show up onboard. The only problem is that you have to specifically pick the gun which is listed under some "artillery" formations for those guns to show up under the bombardment routine. Those other guns that don't show up on the bombardment screens are in either anti-tank formations or "infantry" gun formations. Note, all those guns fit into the category of artillery in the general sense, it's only when you distinguish between the labels inside of that category that you can see the difference between them (there's AA guns as well).

Bing -> (1/26/2002 3:01:00 AM)
Depends when you are choosing. If you are building a scenario you can select offboard 75's for the Germans, I'm playing a scenario right now that has them. I think, though, if you are choosing core or support points as a player in a camp for Ge side you most likely are going to get ONboard 75's. This feels like deja vu all over again; didn't we hash this out a year or more ago?? Bing

Charles2222 -> (1/26/2002 3:32:00 AM)
Bing: To my knowledge 75mm FGs are available both on and offboard for Gerry. I think the point isn't so much where they will reside, but whether you can use them as indirect fire. If it is the FGs you are buying, and not the IGs, they will always show up in the bombardment screen irrespective of where they are in the field.

Bing -> (1/26/2002 4:50:00 AM)
quote: Originally posted by Charles_22: Bing: To my knowledge 75mm FGs are available both on and offboard for Gerry. I think the point isn't so much where they will reside, but whether you can use them as indirect fire. If it is the FGs you are buying, and not the IGs, they will always show up in the bombardment screen irrespective of where they are in the field. Yes, quite true, that goes back to the first issue: Direct or indirect. There used to be certain cases where as the German you didn't have a choice, and it wasn't appartent when you made the purchase because certain terms were used loosely to designate both types of 75's. Naturally the offboard can't fire direct, so we worry less about that. I remember geting the same nasty surprise, then when it came to the sIG units I couldn't understand why THEY couldn't fire indirect, until I researched it in Bishop, then I understood. Availability was indeed changed, I think, from what it was some time ago, might have been under version 4.5, when I played my first U2R camp. Confusing at best. You just have to know which is which. Bing

Charles2222 -> (1/26/2002 7:11:00 AM)
Bing: Although technically the SIG33 is different from the SGIIIB, since the SG didn't fire indirect I didn't expect anything which could point level would be be able to bombard indirect. I'm not sure if the SIG can point level or not, but it is a stark contrast between that and Hummels which are very obviously indirect. Thinking of the Hummels, I wouldn't be able to tell you whether they fire true indirect or not, gamewise, but I sure wouldn't see why not. I think the SIG, even in war, was considered to be a mobile IG, much like to Nashorn was pretty much a mobile ATG.

Bing -> (1/26/2002 9:16:00 PM)
It was confusing to me and still is. We know there were situations in some wars where nominally direct fire only weapons were used in an indirect role - Korea, for example, as the tank commander said they ran out of N.K. armor targets, so they set up as artillery. Just how much of that went on with the Germans in WW2 I will leave to the experts, which I am not. To my way of thinking, an "assault" weapon, intended for direct fire, will have a much-simplified mechanism compared to an indirect fire model, and is likely to not be capable of the degree of elevation required for true indirect fire. But this doens't mean it cannot be used as such, just that limitations would become apparent. Is all tht perfectly clear? Bing

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