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Badu -> A little bit frustated (8/4/2004 6:56:02 PM)

today i have started a new game against the Ai.
I As Allies he IJN.
His CV´s hang around port moresby for about a weak and bomb it. so fa´r no prob. Still the Ai i stays in the same hex all the time i decided to send a SF taskforce too meet with him. When the sft arrieved the CV´s are still there but nothing happend. but the day after my SFT has a not so nice meeting with some kate´s and val´s. Is this a bug or did i something wrong?



Clipper1968 -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/4/2004 7:25:26 PM)

I unsderstand how frustrated you felt as I never succeeded in intercepting an enemy TF with a surface combat mission TF ( only played as IJN). Benefiting of a favorable weather I sent a surface TF to engage US CV TF, they met together in the same hex and unfortunately nothing has happened and my TF was also devastating by air strikes on the next turn.

I don't think it is a bug as it reflect quite accurately how difficult it was to engage an enemy TF in a surface engagement at that time, so even if they were in the same hex your TF was not able to find the target. Most of surface engagements resulted from fortuitous meetings...

The only way to intercept enemy TF, especially transport TF is to let this TF reach its destination and starting unloading, then send a surface TF with a bombardement mission which will quite surely intercept and destroy it in close range engagement at night.



CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/4/2004 11:26:07 PM)

To send a surface fleet task force against a CV task force will be suicide.
take into account the fact that a carrier force with air screens is going to see your
ships from 100 or more miles out before yours are even close to them.
then they are going to have the ability to manouver away from your ships at the same
time as they are pounding you with aircraft. also they can engage your fleet with thier
surface ships to allow the carriers to escape which is usually the case when the element of surprise is yours.
to be able to attack other task forces you must have your surface fleet set to react to enemy on and be within at least one hex of the enemy to engage them.
generally if you see what base they are heading to you can arrive at the same time
as they do and decimate them.
patience is the order in this game as it is a game of attrition, logistics and time.
plan your engagements and watch what the AI does.
just because you spotted the task force in a certain hex does not mean it is still thier
it may be several hexes from your spotting location. ( fog of war )
I reccomend you new guy's go to spooky's web site and find the FAQ section for
a detailed strategy guide you can download. [;)]

http://mathubert.free.fr/main_content.htm



ritterkruz -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/5/2004 5:08:49 AM)

To my great joy and anticipation, my strong CA/DD force caught 2 US CVs near Lunga in a night action. Oh, I looked forward to CV sushi! Yet, shades of one of the Leyte battles, I got in a measly 2 hits on the CVs, while sinking 4 DDs. Presumably, these brave yankees sacrificed themselves to let the CVs escape. Frustrating, but plausible. (grumble)



CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/5/2004 5:43:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ritterkruz

To my great joy and anticipation, my strong CA/DD force caught 2 US CVs near Lunga in a night action. Oh, I looked forward to CV sushi! Yet, shades of one of the Leyte battles, I got in a measly 2 hits on the CVs, while sinking 4 DDs. Presumably, these brave yankees sacrificed themselves to let the CVs escape. Frustrating, but plausible. (grumble)


In a year and a half or more of play I have only had the good luck
of attacking a CV with a surface fleet a couple of times with one heavily damaged CV
sunk by destroyers.
It will cost more ships trying to attack them than is worth but it is hard not to resist.
My favorite is the PT boats against Battleships.



Badu -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/5/2004 2:24:19 PM)

First thx for your answers.

Second sorry for my bad english

The CV tf really stand in the hex i ordered my sftf in. I also did this against a friend as we play pbem over lan and he heavyly dameged my CV´s and he trys too hunt them down. so i set the escort to surface combat and try to get a lucky shot in night combat. And in this case it works and i sunk one of his CV´s and damaged the other badly.
Or was that a really extrem lucky punsh?



sdj420 -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/6/2004 1:14:35 AM)

I think it is reasonable to assume that the AI of each TF in the hex is going to maneuver within it's 50 mile length. Also, that the AI of CV and AK/AP TFs will attempt to avoid a surface combat TF and since CVs are usually faster than BBs, they should be able to get away or at least stay away.

Therefore, I think it would be unlikely for the CV TF to be caught by the big guns ships. The highest likelihood of a surface encounter I'd think, would be either when two surface TFs try to encounter each other or when warships are defending transports in the act of unloading troops.



crsutton -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/6/2004 7:00:07 PM)

Don't be too upset. You will on occasion see a surface force hit a carrier TF but it is rare and usually the carrier's escort fight the action and you never touch the carriers. I can only think of one instance in the whole war where surface forces caught a carrier force-Leyte Gulf.

Historically carriers were very sensitive to surface fights, so almost all their efforts went to preventing this from happening happening. This would include heavy picket forces, night air patrols, reversal of course at night, and of course with American ships, radar. Don't expect it to happen. In fact usually the carriers will just cream your force instead.

Actually, in this aspect the game is very well designed.



Scona -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/7/2004 12:36:14 AM)

I've had one surface fight occur that involved a CV TF. This TF, AI controlled and Japanese, steamed into my Tulagi base hex on a night turn which triggered a battle with one of my surface groups, consisting of 4 PT boats! In the ensuing fracas the PTs totally out fought their enemies, trading several dozen "hits" on the Zuikaku for no return damage. However as these hits were only 50mm bullets, the CV seemed to not be too badly affected in its operations once the forces broke off their fight, though it could have been worse if I'd had anything heavier around that base.

Moral of this story; CVs have no business hanging around in rough neighbourhoods after dark.[;)]



CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/7/2004 2:52:43 AM)

PT'S are my favorite.[:D]

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CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: A little bit frustated (8/7/2004 2:52:44 AM)

Hey Matrix I keep getting double posts when uploading pics.



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