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kokubokan25 -> The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/18/2004 1:04:39 PM)

A few days ago start again the WITP with the new 1.21 versión.
In the first turn the japanese attack over PH was...a total failure!
The result is very very curious, only heavy damage over a MSW!!!

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Xargun -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/18/2004 7:11:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fremen

A few days ago start again the WITP with the new 1.21 versión.
In the first turn the japanese attack over PH was...a total failure!
The result is very very curious, only heavy damage over a MSW!!!



In another PBeM I'm playing the KB stayed 4-5 days bombing PH. Half the time no raid was launched on PH for no reason and I have managed to sink a single PT boat in port. I've sunk a lot of ships outside the port, but only 1 PT boat inside.

Xargun




2ndACR -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/19/2004 2:04:05 AM)

My worst PH I did not hit a single ship.[X(]

But since I went to Manila instead, it more than compensated for it.




CV8 Hornet -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/26/2004 5:43:48 PM)

I wish I has saved the AAR but I was playing the AI and I was the allies and I had 2 of my battleships explode with magazine hits on the first attack. Pennsylvania and Arizona!




bstarr -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 3:03:56 AM)

the game's pearl harbor results usually seem considerably weaker than the real attack, even when you take into account that several of the historically "sunk" ships were later raised and therefore not sunk in game terms. I've been debating on mentioning this in the wish list, but I imagine the programers have bigger fish to fry than this minor problem.




bstarr -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 3:06:03 AM)

and, is it me, or does the poor New Orleans always get hammered on Dec 7? Maybe not sunk, but it always seems to take a bullet for the team.




Mr.Frag -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 3:32:54 AM)

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The result is very very curious, only heavy damage over a MSW!!!


That looks like my turn 1 against Mogami ... all my pilots were drunk! [:(]




Ron Saueracker -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 11:33:29 AM)

Ben Afleck and Co must have got off the ground early in that one.[8D] Gawd that was a Baaaaaaaaad movie. Too much ckick content and all those computer generated graphics were marred by 1970's style effects using Spruance, Knox, Perry, Leahy class ships waitng for disposal. Oh, yeah, too much Afleck and Baldwin.[;)]




mogami -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 1:58:39 PM)

Hi, I sank 4 BB my last PH and damaged quite a few other ships.




irishman -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 4:00:22 PM)

I've bombed PH for the last 4 days and had plenty of hits, but those BBs can take a hell of a lot of punishment. Maryland, Penn and Tennesse have each taken about 10 800kg APs, 5 Torps and countless 250kg hits but are still there! I've bombed his repair yards (not sure if this has much of an effect). I know BBs are tough but from running tests they seem to repair so fast in size 10 ports than it takes a magazine explosion to sink them.
I haven't played any game longer than a few months so can anybody tell me a rough estimate for how long it takes to repair a 90 sys damage BB. I know it depends on several variables but are we talking about 3 months or 1 year?




52nd Lowland -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 4:07:04 PM)

You might as well just bring the KB into Pearl Harbour as im going to charge you rent in the loitering about your doing about the Islands on vacation[:D]
Re sys damage i think it will take upwards of a year to fix a BB that highly damaged maybe more,obviously depends if you can move them to a better shipyard once they can move under steam.




irishman -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 4:52:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 52nd Lowland

You might as well just bring the KB into Pearl Harbour as im going to charge you rent in the loitering about your doing about the Islands on vacation[:D]
Re sys damage i think it will take upwards of a year to fix a BB that highly damaged maybe more,obviously depends if you can move them to a better shipyard once they can move under steam.


But Tokyo is so cold and wet at this time of year! Why would we want to leave PH so soon?
If you could send over a few Hula dancers for the trip home I might be able to convince the men to stop bombing you! [:D]




52nd Lowland -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 5:03:12 PM)

Tell u what stay in one hex and ill parachute them in via air...among other things.I'd probably get more damage driopping them than real bombs....[:'(]




Mr.Frag -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 5:09:00 PM)

Best I ever got was *all* BB's in 2 days of strikes ... makes you almost want to stay the extra day. [:D]




Mike Scholl -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 6:50:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fremen

A few days ago start again the WITP with the new 1.21 versión.
In the first turn the japanese attack over PH was...a total failure!
The result is very very curious, only heavy damage over a MSW!!!


NOT EVEN CLOSE to the worst PH result. I had one where the weather
turned bad in the Hawaiian Islands on 12/7/41 and only 6 zeros made
an attack at all..., and three of them were shot down! As the Allies, I
was exstatic for about 10 minutes..., then re-started so the game wouldn't
prove too lop-sided. I guess I should have saved the start just to show
folks how bad it COULD get..., but I didn't think of it at the time and haven't
seen anything close since.




52nd Lowland -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 8:20:38 PM)

As it was the Dec 8th campaign start he hit PH and got a CV as well as the other ships[:@]




irishman -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 10:03:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 52nd Lowland

As it was the Dec 8th campaign start he hit PH and got a CV as well as the other ships[:@]


Sometimes running away on turn 1 is the best tactic, discretion being the better part of valour sort of thing.
Anyway, any CV or CA/Cl losses will be regenerated for the Allies (granted after a considerable time delay), so BBs and DDs are the real targets at Pearl.




Mr.Frag -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 10:20:34 PM)

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I had one where the weather turned bad in the Hawaiian Islands on 12/7/41 and only 6 zeros made an attack at all...,


Thats actually a problem Mike, the weather is hard coded for the first turn because of the obvious implications. Remember the options you were running with?




52nd Lowland -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 10:33:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: irishman

quote:

ORIGINAL: 52nd Lowland

As it was the Dec 8th campaign start he hit PH and got a CV as well as the other ships[:@]


Sometimes running away on turn 1 is the best tactic, discretion being the better part of valour sort of thing.
Anyway, any CV or CA/Cl losses will be regenerated for the Allies (granted after a considerable time delay), so BBs and DDs are the real targets at Pearl.


Yes Yorktown appeared on the ship reinforcement list the next day...due in 438 days [:D]




Mike Scholl -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 11:12:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

quote:

I had one where the weather turned bad in the Hawaiian Islands on 12/7/41 and only 6 zeros made an attack at all...,


Thats actually a problem Mike, the weather is hard coded for the first turn because of the obvious implications. Remember the options you were running with?


Sorry Frag, I don't have a clue. It was one of my first few starts and I was sort of trying
the variables at random to see what the differences might be. Obviously it was pretty
variable---but I remember thinking at the time it WAS realistic. The Japanese had their
whole war plan triggered to go at that time (including the Declaration that was delivered
late), and if the weather had turned out lousy in Hawaii that day they WERE hosed.




Mr.Frag -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/27/2004 11:29:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

quote:

I had one where the weather turned bad in the Hawaiian Islands on 12/7/41 and only 6 zeros made an attack at all...,


Thats actually a problem Mike, the weather is hard coded for the first turn because of the obvious implications. Remember the options you were running with?


Sorry Frag, I don't have a clue. It was one of my first few starts and I was sort of trying
the variables at random to see what the differences might be. Obviously it was pretty
variable---but I remember thinking at the time it WAS realistic. The Japanese had their
whole war plan triggered to go at that time (including the Declaration that was delivered
late), and if the weather had turned out lousy in Hawaii that day they WERE hosed.



Understood Mike ... thats why they coded the weather to be the way it is on turn 1. Obviously had it not been good, PH would have been a really silly place to be on Dec 7th.




Williamb -> RE: The worst Pearl Harbour ever seen?? (8/30/2004 3:34:20 AM)

I seem to get better results however I changed the starting PH attack with one of my own.

In my new AAR (had to restart. Dont like how the AI handles subs.) I reset the KB to following

All Zeros to 10,000 feet (Want to preserve them to defend the KB)

Vals were set to 5,000 feet but they actually went lower than that. Also distributed them as follows

Akagi/kaga groups attack naval
Hiryu/Soryu attack Port
Zuikaku/Shokaku attack Airfeilds

And for the kates I set them all to 1000 feet. Some went lower to drop torpedoes.

Oddy when I reset the attack Nagumo lauches TWO attacks on Dec 7th. The second attack does so well Nagumo doesnt have to stay around for another day.

the results edited for brevity...
7 BBs, 1 CA and 2 PTs sunk

Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 90
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 125

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4
P-26A x 3
P-36A Mohawk x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 28 destroyed, 61 damaged
B5N Kate: 12 destroyed, 31 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 11 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-26A: 17 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 24 destroyed, 14 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 45 destroyed, 38 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 17 destroyed, 16 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 16 destroyed, 8 damaged
PBY Catalina: 33 destroyed, 32 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AV Wright, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Phelps, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Laida, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Henley, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1
DD Allen, Bomb hits 1
AK Mercury, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Helena, Bomb hits 2, on fire
PT PT-27, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1
AK Hirondelle, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-28, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 29
Runway hits 63

Aircraft Attacking:
126 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
98 x B5N Kate bombing at 1000 feet
27 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
---------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 87
D3A Val x 26
B5N Kate x 102

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 1
P-40B Tomahawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
D3A Val: 10 destroyed, 19 damaged
B5N Kate: 28 destroyed, 61 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Chew, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Antares, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AR Medusa, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tucker, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
102 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
26 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet




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