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EricGuitarJames -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/15/2004 4:39:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Reiryc

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But regarding Reiyrc point about politics, it's rare that it's relevent to wargaming issues and even rarer that they are civilised. Even when it is relevent, the discussions often degenerate into 'mud-slinging'. A case in point being a recent discussion on the bombing of Dresden in 1945 that occured on these boards.


Please....

Look no further than this board for the discussion on patton for a so-called civilized thread.

Mud slinging seems to happen on any board so long as a topic brings out heated feelings.


True, but the 'Patton' threads (and their bastard offspring the 'Sepp Dietrich' thread) are an exception. In any case, given the length of the threads and the rather idiosyncratic debating style of one of the contributors they remained remarkably civilised over most of their lengths - at least 20 pages each iirc. Discussions on politics (and religion for that matter) almost inevitably degenerate into personal abuse due to the fundamental positions these often hold in peoples lives. Hence these have little place on general wargaming discussion boards.



freeboy -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/15/2004 5:06:42 PM)

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inevitably degenerate into personal abuse due to the fundamental positions these often hold in peoples lives. Hence these have little place on general wargaming discussion boards

So we are too childish to not be abusive, or are you excusing abusive behavior because the topics are volitile?

I do agree that most politics and religion comments are way off the subject, only as they bare a relavance to the topic should they be included... on a wargaming board. I do not agree as one having a theistic world view that when one looks at history one needs to be "non religious" as this is a "humanistic" religious viewpoint. In other words all historical veiws start with pre-suppositions, just look at those rediculous communists histories.... or other views which are based on a foundation of the presuppositions they start with. You then find the facts used to make conclusions that while not always illogical from the start are flawed do to the presuppositions they begin with....

Ok, off my soapbox... I see no excuse for flaming or abuse, but I distinguish it from fanboyism... or freeboyism [:D]



Hexed Gamer -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/15/2004 5:40:26 PM)

What's likely to be more interesting, debating the value of hexes in wargames, or a politician?

It is not really, in the end entirely relevant, if a few wargames require backgrounding in 1940s politics, to justify the need or worth of politics on wargaming forums and or threads for the most part.

Some people just like to argue, and those same people just seem to like to argue about nothing other than politics.

And I doubt most of those arguments ever leave anyone with any sense of accomplishment.

But I could be wrong.



Kevinugly -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/15/2004 7:02:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freeboy

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inevitably degenerate into personal abuse due to the fundamental positions these often hold in peoples lives. Hence these have little place on general wargaming discussion boards


So we are too childish to not be abusive, or are you excusing abusive behavior because the topics are volitile?



imho 'abusive behaviour' tends to follow political and religious discussions like a bad smell follows a skunk[:D], it's the way it is.



freeboy -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/15/2004 11:05:18 PM)

no
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Some people just like to argue
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not me, I don't argue, isn't this guy [:D]



EricGuitarJames -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 12:30:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: freeboy

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inevitably degenerate into personal abuse due to the fundamental positions these often hold in peoples lives. Hence these have little place on general wargaming discussion boards


So we are too childish to not be abusive, or are you excusing abusive behavior because the topics are volitile?



Neither really. It's that strongly (or fundamentally[;)]) held views lead to strongly expressed opinions, not only that but there is little chance that those views are going to be changed by debate. The old AoW boards here, NAMB over at Wargamer and the current boards over at the Steakhouse were/are the place to go where the wargaming fraternity meet up to 'debate' politics and religion (and other stuff too). It has its place, that place isn't here.



Reiryc -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 2:23:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EricGuitarJames

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ORIGINAL: freeboy

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inevitably degenerate into personal abuse due to the fundamental positions these often hold in peoples lives. Hence these have little place on general wargaming discussion boards


So we are too childish to not be abusive, or are you excusing abusive behavior because the topics are volitile?



Neither really. It's that strongly (or fundamentally[;)]) held views lead to strongly expressed opinions, not only that but there is little chance that those views are going to be changed by debate. The old AoW boards here, NAMB over at Wargamer and the current boards over at the Steakhouse were/are the place to go where the wargaming fraternity meet up to 'debate' politics and religion (and other stuff too). It has its place, that place isn't here.


This I agree with. Some however, would do away with all political discussion at wargaming sites, like here, wargamer, warfarehq.



KG Erwin -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 3:01:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Reiryc

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ORIGINAL: EricGuitarJames

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ORIGINAL: freeboy

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inevitably degenerate into personal abuse due to the fundamental positions these often hold in peoples lives. Hence these have little place on general wargaming discussion boards


So we are too childish to not be abusive, or are you excusing abusive behavior because the topics are volitile?



Neither really. It's that strongly (or fundamentally[;)]) held views lead to strongly expressed opinions, not only that but there is little chance that those views are going to be changed by debate.


This is why we have the link to the "Steakhouse". I took a quick visit, and its no place for a rational discussion. The only thing missing is the chairs being broken over someone else's back or being tossed out a window. [X(]



Kevinugly -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 3:36:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

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ORIGINAL: Reiryc

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ORIGINAL: EricGuitarJames

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ORIGINAL: freeboy

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inevitably degenerate into personal abuse due to the fundamental positions these often hold in peoples lives. Hence these have little place on general wargaming discussion boards


So we are too childish to not be abusive, or are you excusing abusive behavior because the topics are volitile?



Neither really. It's that strongly (or fundamentally[;)]) held views lead to strongly expressed opinions, not only that but there is little chance that those views are going to be changed by debate.


This is why we have the link to the "Steakhouse". I took a quick visit, and its no place for a rational discussion. The only thing missing is the chairs being broken over someone else's back or being tossed out a window. [X(]



[:D][:D]



Hexed Gamer -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 3:38:02 AM)

Wargamer committed suicide with indecisive inconsistent ill advised random policy.

It no longer matters what is discussed over there, the remnants of that forum aren't worth visiting.

Warfare HQ now on the otherhand, you won't find a better run forum out there, and while the loonies might grumble they can't spew venom there, who needs venom other than snakes :)



Hexed Gamer -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 4:07:47 AM)

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the record for quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes? :)



freeboy -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 5:17:32 AM)

lol



EricGuitarJames -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 5:09:19 PM)

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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the record for quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes inside of quotes? :)


Probably somewhere on one of the 'Patton' threads[:D][&o]



freeboy -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/16/2004 8:26:40 PM)

lol eric



Goblin -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/17/2004 6:26:06 PM)

Being a fanboy isn't always the best thing. Our site started as a support site for SPWaW, to help promote the game and scenario design, campaign design, etc. We have a forum dedicated to Matrix Vets, and constantly promote Matrix's SPWaW.

Yet it has gotten us labeled as a 'breakaway' site. Other SPWaW support sites members won't even join us because of it. We get turned down on offers to help improve the game, and requests for assistance. All because we are trying to advance this awesome game from Matrix.

Sometimes cheering someone on just isn't worth it.


Goblin



Orzel Bialy -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/17/2004 7:19:38 PM)

Personally I think you can be a fan of something without having to sell your soul and your character by becoming a simple "yes-man".

If all objectivity is blinded by the desire to be "loyal" and "supportive" then where do the true checks and balances come in? If everyone starts to make excuses or help cover a company's mistakes or bad moves, simply because they think that is the price of being a loyal supporter or that they somehow "owe" the company for past services...then they are actually doing a far greater dis-service to that company by not alerting it to possible pitfalls.

I would rather call it as I see it with no strings attached than to try and white-wash or sugar coat things for the sake of appearing to be a "loyal subject".



Hexed Gamer -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/17/2004 10:41:20 PM)

Don't sweat it Goblin.

SP Camo was a break away site. You don't see anyone crucifying them over it.
They do a good job in their own way, no reason you need to explain doing a good job the SPWaW Depot way.



Goblin -> RE: Fanboy nonsense (9/17/2004 11:26:04 PM)

Thanks HG. My main point was that we are not some splinter group or breakaway site, but got slapped with that distiction just for trying to better SPWaW. Thus, it does not always pay to be a fanboy...[;)]


Goblin



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