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Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 6:58:03 AM)
Finally I count the ship loses by type, they my be a little off. It gets hard looking at the names. [image]local://upfiles/8005/Tr517965680.jpg[/image]

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 7:32:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mike Tremblay Yes, so his roving Carrier TF's have some BIG juicy targets to hit[;)] Yeah, there is that problem too. [:D] Luckily there isn't going to be too many long distance trips at this point. It is doubtful if Zeta will even bother with the Solomons, Gilberts, Marshalls, and Carolines. He is probably heading straight for the Marianas or the Philippines.

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 7:40:11 AM)
The Japs are approaching 40,000 points in the bag. It's just a guess, but I think you will need around 150,000 points in the end to get the automatic victory.

Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 7:40:45 AM)
I don't know where I am headed yet. I am looking at intel to figure that out [;)]

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 7:42:58 AM)
Do you save all the signal reports and compile them into useful data? They would probably work better that way.

Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 7:43:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude The Japs are approaching 40,000 points in the bag. It's just a guess, but I think you will need around 150,000 points in the end to get the automatic victory. I have a few surprises in India. You may take the bases, but I don't think you will get all of the troops.

Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 7:45:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude Do you save all the signal reports and compile them into useful data? They would probably work better that way. I don't copy the file. I made a thing with all the bases that come up in the intel and made a chart and check it each turn to see if anything new comes up. the best thing is when it tells me what units are on what ships and where they are headed [:D]

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 7:46:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zeta16 I have a few surprises in India. You may take the bases, but I don't think you will get all of the troops. You can ship them if you want at the last minute. I don't care, as long as I can link up with the Germans in Iran. [8\|]

Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 7:50:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude quote: ORIGINAL: Zeta16 I have a few surprises in India. You may take the bases, but I don't think you will get all of the troops. You can ship them if you want at the last minute. I don't care, as long as I can link up with the Germans in Iran. [8\|] In real life the troops would just fall back towards Iran and I guess the British by this point in the war would send more troops there. That is the thing in Siberia the Russians would not have quit at Isturk, they would have just blown the rail lines behind them and moved closer to mid USSR and more troops. But I understand that this is a game and we have to live with these things [:D]

Delphinium -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 10:51:48 AM)
quote: That is the thing in Siberia the Russians would not have quit at Isturk, they would have just blown the rail lines behind them and moved closer to mid USSR and more troops. But I understand that this is a game and we have to live with these things In real life, I suspect Stalin would have found more troops amd the Russians would be counting Japanese corpses in Korea. I was surprised how easily the Japanese took out the Russians. What tanks did the Russians have?? Also given total air superiority at Irkutsk, the Russians shouldn't have gone down that easily too. Air attack against troops engaged in attacking operations should IMHO cause more casualties.

ADavidB -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 2:00:12 PM)
quote: Ground combat at Midway Allies gain control of Midway after brutal four week fight. Allied Shock attack Attacking force 79194 troops, 603 guns, 93 vehicles Defending force 13760 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5 Allied assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 5) Allied forces CAPTURE Midway base !!! Any of you military history buffs out there want to give me a few examples of atolls that took 4 weeks to capture? BTW - what was the record for the most Allied ships hit/damaged/sunk by land-based artillary in any invasion in the Pacific, atoll or island? Thanks - Dave Baranyi

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 2:21:49 PM)
Shouldn't this AAR be setting alarm bells ringing? It's like a demolition derby with no limits. The game is just not capable of emulating realistic pace of operations.[X(]

jnier -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 3:40:03 PM)
The increased pace of operation is partially due to game mechanics that could be improved (e.g. rail movement). But much of it is due to players' lack of caution. This is a problem in every wargame. Players are going to be more reckless and less patient than their historical counterparts. When your landing at New Zealand fails in WITP only us geeks who read the AAR care, but if such a debacle happened in real life there would, of course, be dire consquences. The fact that this is a game and not real life is a very big reason for the pace of operations.

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 3:43:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jnier The increased pace of operation is partially due to game mechanics that could be improved (e.g. rail movement). But much of it is due to players' lack of caution. This is a problem in every wargame. Players are going to be more reckless and less patient than their historical counterparts. When your landing at New Zealand fails in WITP only us geeks who read the AAR care, but if such a debacle happened in real life there would, of course, be dire consquences. The fact that this is a game and not real life is a very big reason for the pace of operations. It would be cool that if a major debacle happened, the game relieves you of command in that theatre, and only a huge penalty payment of PPs could buy back the theatre from the AI. Considering just how popular the AI is with us, this would be a major deterrent for careless and reckless endeavours.[:)]

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 10:32:58 PM)
Four weeks for an atoll isn't wrong given there was no pre-invasion bombing campaign of any sort. Look at this way- you either spend four weeks bombarding the place with air strikes and naval attacks or you spend four weeks fighting on the ground.

Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/22/2004 11:46:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude Four weeks for an atoll isn't wrong given there was no pre-invasion bombing campaign of any sort. Look at this way- you either spend four weeks bombarding the place with air strikes and naval attacks or you spend four weeks fighting on the ground. The thing is I can not get planes there except carriers. When I used carriers to port attack they did very poor. I am afraid of taking PH becasue I am attacking with a lot of heavy bombers and medium and they are not getting many hits, even with high exp. I feel more comfortable in landing on Islands that are not atolls. I have the schock attack. I had my units for Midway at 100 readiness and not taking it on the first turn means you have to wait a long time to take the place. Also my bombardment seems real poor. I had several battleships and they seemed not to do much.

sveint -> RE: Midway Falls (12/23/2004 1:07:17 AM)
Ignore all non-cruical locations (including PH). Hit him where it hurts (resources,oil,production). If you look closely there are several nice locations you can take from which you can base heavy bombers.

Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/23/2004 1:15:56 AM)
The only reason to take PH is becasue it is a huge point swing. I am looking at bases all over the place. The problem still is the amount of Ap's and LST I have at the moment. There never seems to be enough and they take a ton of damage in the landings, even with a bunch of Ca's and Cl's in the landing force.

ADavidB -> RE: Midway Falls (12/23/2004 2:37:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zeta16 The only reason to take PH is becasue it is a huge point swing. I am looking at bases all over the place. The problem still is the amount of Ap's and LST I have at the moment. There never seems to be enough and they take a ton of damage in the landings, even with a bunch of Ca's and Cl's in the landing force. What you are facing is that ship and plane bombardments are ineffectual versus land-based artillary against ships. If the land-based artillary was as effective against LCUs as it is against ships you would still own China and Siberia. Look at the reports on the invasions of Tawara, for instance - they didn't do a month's worth of bombardments, they hit it and landed, and the land-based artillary was toast almost immediately. Sure, the machine gun nests ate up a lot of the initial landing forces, but it was still taken in 3 days.

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/23/2004 3:41:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ADavidB What you are facing is that ship and plane bombardments are ineffectual versus land-based artillary against ships. If the land-based artillary was as effective against LCUs as it is against ships you would still own China and Siberia. Look at the reports on the invasions of Tawara, for instance - they didn't do a month's worth of bombardments, they hit it and landed, and the land-based artillary was toast almost immediately. Sure, the machine gun nests ate up a lot of the initial landing forces, but it was still taken in 3 days. You've made several assumptions that aren't really true: 1. Improved artillery performance will help the Chinese. The Japanese have better artillery than the Chinese. This probably would have caused Chungking to fall sooner than it did rather than later. So I don't know how Zeta would still own China if artillery performance was improved. If anything the Japanese heavy artillery would knock bunches of Chinese units out and rapidly reduce their fighting strength. 2. Land-based artillery destroys ships too easily. Where are you getting the idea that land based artillery destroyed ships at Midway? There was a base force there with 24 big coastal guns located there. This is what likely caused the sinkings. The invasions that occured at other atolls without these kind of coastal guns usually didn't have many ships sunk. Look at Kona for example. 3. Bombardments aren't neccessary - look at Tarawa. Tarawa only had 2600 SNLF troops and probably less than level 9 fortifications. Midway in this occasion had two Guard units and one SNLF unit - perhaps the equivalent of 10000 SNLF troops. Not to mention level 9 fortifications and coastal guns.

Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/23/2004 3:51:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude quote: ORIGINAL: ADavidB What you are facing is that ship and plane bombardments are ineffectual versus land-based artillary against ships. If the land-based artillary was as effective against LCUs as it is against ships you would still own China and Siberia. Look at the reports on the invasions of Tawara, for instance - they didn't do a month's worth of bombardments, they hit it and landed, and the land-based artillary was toast almost immediately. Sure, the machine gun nests ate up a lot of the initial landing forces, but it was still taken in 3 days. You've made several assumptions that aren't really true: 1. Improved artillery performance will help the Chinese. The Japanese have better artillery than the Chinese. This probably would have caused Chungking to fall sooner than it did rather than later. So I don't know how Zeta would still own China if artillery performance was improved. If anything the Japanese heavy artillery would knock bunches of Chinese units out and rapidly reduce their fighting strength. 2. Land-based artillery destroys ships too easily. Where are you getting the idea that land based artillery destroyed ships at Midway? There was a base force there with 24 big coastal guns located there. This is what likely caused the sinkings. The invasions that occured at other atolls without these kind of coastal guns usually didn't have many ships sunk. Look at Kona for example. 3. Bombardments aren't neccessary - look at Tarawa. Tarawa only had 2600 SNLF troops and probably less than level 9 fortifications. Midway in this occasion had two Guard units and one SNLF unit - perhaps the equivalent of 10000 SNLF troops. Not to mention level 9 fortifications and coastal guns. he right about the guns in China. When I play as the japanese I see the Chinese guns hurt me a whole lot more than the japanese guns, this is not right is it. Bombardments are neccessary but I do not think that they do much at least for me.

Captain Cruft -> Ineffective Naval bombardment (12/23/2004 1:37:20 PM)
I find that naval bombardments are much more effective if you have bumped the DL up by flying Recon missions over the target base beforehand. If you have no land-based Recon planes to hand just use the floatplanes on the cruisers and battleships ...

String -> RE: Midway Falls (12/23/2004 4:07:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zeta16 Finally I count the ship loses by type, they my be a little off. It gets hard looking at the names. [image]local://upfiles/8005/Tr517965680.jpg[/image] oh god.. did you really count all those AP's and AK's by hand? [X(]

String -> RE: Ineffective Naval bombardment (12/23/2004 4:08:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft I find that naval bombardments are much more effective if you have bumped the DL up by flying Recon missions over the target base beforehand. If you have no land-based Recon planes to hand just use the floatplanes on the cruisers and battleships ... which would be quite logical. I mean you ain't gonna do much damage if you're gonna land all of those shells at the local golf course..

Zeta16 -> RE: Midway Falls (12/23/2004 8:16:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: String quote: ORIGINAL: Zeta16 Finally I count the ship loses by type, they my be a little off. It gets hard looking at the names. [image]local://upfiles/8005/Tr517965680.jpg[/image] oh god.. did you really count all those AP's and AK's by hand? [X(] Yep, it's get hard to do, the names start looking the same.

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/27/2004 11:08:19 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/20/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Small night airfield attack. Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 12 Ki-48 Lily x 15 Ki-49 Helen x 18 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged Ki-48 Lily: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied aircraft losses Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed Hudson I: 2 destroyed Runway hits 11 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet 11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 17 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Imphal , at 33,26 Allied aircraft Mohawk IV x 3 Wellington III x 62 P-40E Warhawk x 7 No Allied losses Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 100 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Ledo , at 36,25 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 99 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 114 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 135 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 F6F Hellcat x 9 PBY Catalina x 2 B-25J Mitchell x 30 PB4Y Liberator x 35 B-24D Liberator x 26 Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged PB4Y Liberator: 2 damaged B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Port hits 13 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 12 Beaufighter VIC x 9 B-25C Mitchell x 3 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 33 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 16 Liberator VI x 12 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 66 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Mohawk IV x 6 Brewster 339D x 5 Wellington III x 44 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 99 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 3 Martin 139 x 3 B-17E Fortress x 3 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 25 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 30th Division, at 42,75 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 12 Kittyhawk I x 3 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 12 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Armored Div , at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 24 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 81 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Armored Div , at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 6 Martin 139 x 4 B-17E Fortress x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Amboina at 39,73 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 12 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 6 Avenger II x 5 Kittyhawk I x 23 Kittyhawk III x 3 Hudson I x 4 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed Japanese Ships AK Aobasan Maru, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74 These are my worst Zeros. Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 50 D3A Val x 45 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 9 Kittyhawk I x 34 Kittyhawk III x 5 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 76 destroyed, 1 damaged D3A Val: 28 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed Kittyhawk I: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied Ships AK Abigail Adams, Bomb hits 1 AK Arided AK Crater AK Cassiopeia AK Christopher Greenup AK Draco, Bomb hits 1, on fire AK Diomed, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AK Silksworth, Bomb hits 2, on fire Allied ground losses: 73 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Midway Allied Shock attack Attacking force 90283 troops, 753 guns, 86 vehicles Defending force 7201 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 34 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 204 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 49 casualties reported AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/21/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 55,69 Japanese Ships AP Huso Maru DD Kikuzuki Allied Ships SS S-34 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 5 Ki-48 Lily x 6 Ki-49 Helen x 6 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged Ki-48 Lily: 2 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied ground losses: 13 casualties reported Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet 5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 39 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 12 damaged Allied aircraft losses PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 28 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Imphal , at 33,26 Allied aircraft Mohawk IV x 3 Wellington III x 51 P-40E Warhawk x 9 No Allied losses Airbase hits 3 Runway hits 32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Ledo , at 36,25 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 100 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 10 Runway hits 119 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 11 P-40E Warhawk x 15 B-17E Fortress x 18 PB4Y Liberator x 42 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 79 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 14 Beaufighter VIC x 9 B-25C Mitchell x 3 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 30 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 14 Liberator VI x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 32 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 10 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 54 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 7th Ind. Brigade, at 36,24 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 6 Vengeance I x 25 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 56 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 13 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet 12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 36,25 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 10 Beaufighter VIC x 8 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 19 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 30th Division, at 42,75 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 12 Kittyhawk I x 5 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 2 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 12 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Armored Div , at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 10 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 9 D3A Val x 4 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 Kittyhawk I x 32 Kittyhawk III x 6 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 14 destroyed D3A Val: 3 destroyed Allied Ships AK Charles H. Windham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74 I don't know why the Betties flew without an escort. Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 20 G4M2 Betty x 16 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 10 Kittyhawk I x 32 Kittyhawk III x 6 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 33 destroyed, 1 damaged G4M2 Betty: 17 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged Allied Ships AK Appanoose AK Prince Georges -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 4 D3A Val x 15 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 Kittyhawk I x 32 Kittyhawk III x 6 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed D3A Val: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Midway Japanese on Midway finished. Allied Shock attack Attacking force 91114 troops, 766 guns, 88 vehicles Defending force 6976 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 63 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 8019 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported

WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/28/2004 3:37:58 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/24/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 38 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 4 casualties reported Runway hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 25,50 Allied sub sinks near Singapore. Japanese Ships ML Tsugaru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire ML Niizaki ML Saishu Allied Ships SS Trident, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73 Allies begin attacking Amboina. Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 12 A6M3 Zero x 12 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 15 Hellcat II x 22 F4U-1 Corsair x 20 SBD Dauntless x 16 TBF Avenger x 13 Kittyhawk I x 47 Kittyhawk III x 4 Hudson I x 15 Beaufort V-IX x 10 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 24 destroyed, 2 damaged A6M3 Zero: 29 destroyed, 3 damaged D3A Val: 3 destroyed, 11 damaged Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged H8K Emily: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged Kittyhawk I: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed Hudson I: 2 damaged Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged Airbase hits 5 Runway hits 15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 27 Martin 139 x 14 Hudson I x 27 B-26B Marauder x 30 B-24D Liberator x 7 B-24J Liberator x 10 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-49 Helen: 9 destroyed, 5 damaged Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 2 damaged B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 52 casualties reported Airbase hits 11 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 103 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Allied aircraft P-40E Warhawk x 13 B-17E Fortress x 12 PB4Y Liberator x 37 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 11 Runway hits 94 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Reserve Tank Regiment, at 36,24 Allied aircraft Beaufighter VIC x 5 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 5 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 12 Beaufighter VIC x 9 B-25C Mitchell x 3 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 28 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Vengeance I x 12 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 19 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 9 Martin 139 x 9 B-17E Fortress x 13 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 57 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 20th Mixed Brigade, at 35,24 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 6 Hudson I x 2 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 8 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 7th Ind. Brigade, at 35,24 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 11 Vengeance I x 25 Blenheim IV x 10 Wellington III x 7 Hudson I x 25 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 121 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Aircraft Attacking: 7 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 14 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet 10 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet 11 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet 13 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet 12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Jorhat More Japanese have arrived in the India area of operations. Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 65969 troops, 564 guns, 1450 vehicles Defending force 30748 troops, 336 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 783 casualties reported Guns lost 31 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/25/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 24 encounters mine field at Palau (52,67) Japanese Ships MSW Toshi Maru #2 MSW Hinode Maru #20 AP Kikuryu Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 50,46 Japanese Ships AK Tokuwa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS Redfin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 55 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 7 destroyed, 10 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Allied aircraft P-40E Warhawk x 12 B-17E Fortress x 17 PB4Y Liberator x 37 Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 10 Runway hits 80 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 12 Beaufighter VIC x 9 B-25C Mitchell x 2 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 25 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Vengeance I x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 21 Liberator VI x 7 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 95 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 64th Naval Guard Unit, at 113,68 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 20 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 20 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet

Wallymanowar -> RE: Midway Falls (12/28/2004 5:23:04 AM)
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WiTP_Dude -> RE: Midway Falls (12/28/2004 7:46:22 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/28/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 47 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed, 16 damaged Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 38 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1097 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84) Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed Allied Ships AK Sagittarius, Mine hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 12 Beaufighter VIC x 9 B-25C Mitchell x 3 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 22 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 20th Mixed Brigade, at 35,24 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 14 Vengeance I x 22 Blenheim IV x 9 Wellington III x 9 Hudson I x 20 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 90 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 12 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet 9 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet 8 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet 12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet 10 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 64th Naval Guard Unit, at 113,68 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 2 P-39D Airacobra x 21 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 21 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 62nd Division, at 36,24 Allied aircraft Beaufighter VIC x 5 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 5 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Jorhat Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 66061 troops, 565 guns, 1451 vehicles Defending force 40096 troops, 205 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 778 casualties reported Guns lost 6 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/29/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 48 Allied aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 7 damaged Allied aircraft losses Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged Beaufort V-IX: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 56 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 10 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet 5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet 6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Sorong, at 42,74 The Kongo and several cruisers bombard Sorong again. Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 12 damaged Kittyhawk I: 18 destroyed, 45 damaged Avenger II: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged TBF Avenger: 7 destroyed, 9 damaged F4F-4 Wildcat: 9 destroyed, 21 damaged Beaufort V-IX: 7 destroyed, 13 damaged SBD Dauntless: 9 destroyed, 12 damaged F4U-1 Corsair: 10 destroyed, 9 damaged PBY Catalina: 9 destroyed, 4 damaged Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged Japanese Ships DD Yukikaze DD Naganami DD Hatsuzuki CL Sendai CL Oyodo CA Kumano CA Haguro CA Chokai CA Tone BB Kongo Allied ground losses: 4258 casualties reported Guns lost 65 Vehicles lost 30 Airbase hits 15 Airbase supply hits 13 Runway hits 95 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 12 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet 6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 14 Beaufighter VIC x 10 B-25C Mitchell x 3 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Vengeance I x 10 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 10 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 18 Liberator VI x 10 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 35 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Mohawk IV x 6 Brewster 339D x 5 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 4 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 5 x Brewster 339D bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 6 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 24 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26 Allied aircraft Wellington III x 9 Martin 139 x 7 B-17E Fortress x 11 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 63 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet 6 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet 3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 64th Naval Guard Unit, at 113,68 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 2 P-39D Airacobra x 21 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 21 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68 Allied aircraft TBM Avenger x 6 PBY Catalina x 1 Allied aircraft losses PBY Catalina: 1 damaged Runway hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet 2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Jorhat Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 66086 troops, 562 guns, 1451 vehicles Defending force 30807 troops, 371 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 270 casualties reported Guns lost 26

mogami -> Victory (12/28/2004 9:38:46 AM)
Hi, Required victory ratios are 4-1 in 43 3-1 in 44 and 2-1 in 45/46. So if Japan has 40k points the Allies need 160k in 43, 120k in 44 and 80k in 45/46 Of course the Allies can reduce the Japanese total while adding to their own by taking bases.

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