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Sneer -> japenase paratroopers (10/11/2004 2:38:00 PM)

1st,2nd,3rd Yokosuka SNLF had airborne training and could be used as airborne units.
I think it could be put into OOB as it can provide airborne forces strong enough to do sth
as it is not commonly known fact
http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/japan_paratroop.html



tsimmonds -> RE: japenase paratroopers (10/11/2004 2:40:27 PM)

Don't have the game in front of me, but I'm pretty sure these units already have this capability in WitP.



michaelm75au -> RE: japenase paratroopers (10/11/2004 5:44:31 PM)

Those 3 units (1st,2nd,3rd Yokosuka SNLF)are set up as para capable in the database [hidden _sym attribute is 13]

Michael



moses -> RE: japenase paratroopers (10/11/2004 5:53:14 PM)

Does anyone know if these airborne units will still upgrade to non-air-transportable assets after the patch. It allways annoys me to have to leave the AT guns behind.



Oznoyng -> RE: japenase paratroopers (10/11/2004 7:31:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Those 3 units (1st,2nd,3rd Yokosuka SNLF)are set up as para capable in the database [hidden _sym attribute is 13]

Michael

hehehe....

Oznoyng rubs his hands together in anticipation of the havoc he can create with more paratroop units...

I did not know that those 3 were para capable. I thought only the 1st and 2nd paras were.



freeboy -> RE: japenase paratroopers (10/11/2004 9:38:28 PM)

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Those 3 units (1st,2nd,3rd Yokosuka SNLF)are set up as para capable in the database [hidden _sym attribute is 13] [/quote

Yeh, more para to toss out of planes at Ron!!!



pad152 -> RE: japenase paratroopers (10/11/2004 11:21:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: moses

Does anyone know if these airborne units will still upgrade to non-air-transportable assets after the patch. It allways annoys me to have to leave the AT guns behind.


I think this is an database issue, in UV airborne units had mortars and 75mm pack Howiters which could be airlifted.



byron13 -> RE: japenase paratroopers (10/11/2004 11:38:06 PM)

Ah, excellent. What a timely thread. I have questions about airborne units.

1. To be transportable to an enemy base via cargo aircraft - even when there are no enemy units in the base - must the ground unit be "airborne," i.e., parachute qualified? Or can any infantry unit be lifted to an enemy base?

2. How does one tell that a unit is airborne qualified other than by the name of the unit? So, for example, are the Marine raider battalions airborne?

3. I lifted the smallish 1st Marine parachute/airborne battalion to an adjacent, unoccupied enemy base with about fifty C-47s. Everything went fine, except the pack howitzers were not lifted. Would they have lifted the next turn (under some theory that there was not enough lift capability for all of the infantry and the arty at the same time), or are C-47s simply unable to carry the arty?



tsimmonds -> RE: japenase paratroopers (10/12/2004 12:07:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: byron13

Ah, excellent. What a timely thread. I have questions about airborne units.

1. To be transportable to an enemy base via cargo aircraft - even when there are no enemy units in the base - must the ground unit be "airborne," i.e., parachute qualified? Or can any infantry unit be lifted to an enemy base?

To go to an enemy base you need paratroops. Any unit can be airlifted to a friendly base.

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2. How does one tell that a unit is airborne qualified other than by the name of the unit? So, for example, are the Marine raider battalions airborne?

Paratroops have a special icon that shows on the base information screen. See 8.1.2 Combat Infantry, Parachute Infantry, and Cavalry p. 141 of the printed manual.

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3. I lifted the smallish 1st Marine parachute/airborne battalion to an adjacent, unoccupied enemy base with about fifty C-47s. Everything went fine, except the pack howitzers were not lifted. Would they have lifted the next turn (under some theory that there was not enough lift capability for all of the infantry and the arty at the same time), or are C-47s simply unable to carry the arty?

It has to have a load cost less than 7 per strength point in order to be air transportable.



Tanaka -> RE: japenase paratroopers (11/4/2004 12:53:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: michaelm

Those 3 units (1st,2nd,3rd Yokosuka SNLF)are set up as para capable in the database [hidden _sym attribute is 13]

Michael



Any reason in the game that the 4th Yokosuka SNLF is not para capable like the rest of its brother units???



dacharls -> RE: japenase paratroopers (11/4/2004 9:47:15 AM)

How do you see if a unit is Para capable and for AC how do you see if they are CV capable? Besides the Database.

In the game so to speak?



Honda -> RE: japenase paratroopers (11/4/2004 11:06:22 AM)

You can see if the squadron is carrier capable when you click on the squadron and its info screen opens. It's in the top left corner next to the plane type flown by the squadron. That means that, for instance all Zeros or Wildcats or Vals etc. are "carrier capable". We should all know which planes are carrier capable and which are not. However, that doesn't mean the squadron is trained for CV ops. Those that are don't show "carrier capable" but "carrier trained" information. Those are the squadrons which will operate noramly from carriers. The ones that are just carrier capable have the option of flying CV ops but at an increased risk of operational loses. The choice is yours to decide if it's worth it.



tsimmonds -> RE: japenase paratroopers (11/4/2004 3:12:57 PM)

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How do you see if a unit is Para capable

Click on the hex containing the LCU. Look at the LCU icons at the bottom of the info screen. The icon for straight leg infantry is the standard "X in a box". If the LCU is para-capable, there is a small triangle added to the lower part of this icon. Look at the units starting sc. 15 at Taipei or at the northern base on the island of Hainan.



dacharls -> RE: japenase paratroopers (11/9/2004 9:52:29 AM)

Thanks lads! [&o]



PeteG662 -> RE: japenase paratroopers (11/9/2004 3:56:12 PM)

The official military symbol is the X in a box with an 'm' under the X supposedly symbolising an open parachute.



strawbuk -> RE: japenase paratroopers (11/9/2004 5:05:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

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ORIGINAL: byron13

3. I lifted the smallish 1st Marine parachute/airborne battalion to an adjacent, unoccupied enemy base with about fifty C-47s. Everything went fine, except the pack howitzers were not lifted. Would they have lifted the next turn (under some theory that there was not enough lift capability for all of the infantry and the arty at the same time), or are C-47s simply unable to carry the arty?


It has to have a load cost less than 7 per strength point in order to be air transportable.


Which is wrong - a 75mm pack howitzer was designed to air droppable certainly airportable and I mean airportable in a c-47/c-46 - Chindit ops sqeezed pack hows, the 3in mtn guns (designed for mule loading anyway), stripped down 25pdrs (I think? - no shield, no turntable) jeeps (latter more in C46?s) and even 40mm bofors A (though that might be in a glider)

Don't start me on gliders......



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