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Brady -> Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 1:34:42 AM)

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This is what the other guys got today.



Tankerace -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 1:36:47 AM)

Hmm, 2 stacks, non flush decked hull, early style 5" gunhouses, and mine cutters on the stern, so I'll say its an early US Destroyer, Mahan or Farragut class.



RevRick -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 2:06:44 AM)

I'n not sure it's a US DD. That looks almost like a German Seaplane, and it could possibly be a German DD. The gunhouse don't look quite right from what I can see with my old eyes. Possible one of the mid 30s class destroyers. Besides that, the transom doesn't look right. It's too square, but with some tumblehome right at the turn of the gunwale. But the seaplane is what gets my attention.



Clipper1968 -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 2:11:47 AM)

The floatplane really looks like the German Heinkel He-115 but I am not sure;if so the DD's should be German too.



Tankerace -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 2:19:56 AM)

I cant see the gunhouses too good, but it could be a German 1934 class Zerstorer.



RevRick -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 4:45:56 AM)

I think it is German also. The mast is wrong (a small tripod instead of a pole mast), the yardarms are cross shaped instead of athwartships , and the bloody thing appears to have a crows nest, and a whole lot of deckhouse aft of the break. Add the transom which looks wrong, and the row of ports along the stern quarters, and it looks like a KM destroyer. Could be wrong, but that's what my first impression is when I saw it.



tsimmonds -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 6:08:36 AM)

Excellent photo, I have never seen this. The transom stern is giving me fits, but the prop guards look like they are too far aft; could this be a DD that has lost its stern and has been given a temp bulkhead? Definitely German, perhaps a type 1936A or B. The AC, an AR 196? Alternatively, the last two glasses of wine have left me completely blind.



Tankerace -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 6:22:32 AM)

Its not an Arado 196, that was a single engined a/c, not a twin. For that matter, its not an He-115 (I think that was the Heinkel seaplane scout) either.



Ron Saueracker -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 6:39:22 AM)

ZH-1 ex-Gerard Callenburgh I think. Like Isaac Sweers but captured by Germans.



pad152 -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 8:32:39 AM)

The aircraft is a Heinkel He.115 B-1, at first I though it was a Fiat RS.14, but they only bulit 152 of them.



Tankerace -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 8:44:09 AM)

Yeah, for a moment I was thinking it was a Soldati class Italian tin can.



Hatamoto -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 7:02:30 PM)

Definately a german DD. from that angle impossible to tell if its class 34, 34a, 36, 36a, 36a mob or 36b.
Maybe classes 36a, and 36a mob can be ruled out because the gunhouses look rather like 12,7 cm than 15 cm ones.
Picture must be taken between late 1941 (has those square liferafts and a FuMO 21 on the bridge) and 1943 (most surviving german dds recieved major AA refits).

The seaplane is a He 115.

Maybe picture is taken on operation cerberus or some operation off norway, saw it somewhere before...



Kereguelen -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 8:00:55 PM)

It is a German destroyer escorting BB Scharnhorst during operation Cerberus, and the floatplane is a He 115. However, can't identify which of the escorting destroyers it is[&:].



LargeSlowTarget -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 9:24:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tankerace

I cant see the gunhouses too good, but it could be a German 1934 class Zerstorer.


Think so, too. AFAIK only the type 1934 type and type 1934A had this crows nest. Radar look slike "Seetakt". I say it's Z4 Richard Beitzen.


Edit: Ah, looking over some pictures I'm no longer sure about the crows nest, the type 1936 look quite similar. In fact, all German DDs look quite similar. [:@]



Ron Saueracker -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/16/2004 11:23:22 PM)

So.....? What's the answer. Do I win a cookie?[8D]



Honda -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 1:44:27 AM)

A quick question: how many guns do you see on those turrets?



Tankerace -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 2:15:42 AM)

Singles, but all German completed Zerstoreren carried singles in the rear. DDs like the 1936A(MOB) had a twin mount forward, but singles on the stern.



Ron Saueracker -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 2:16:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Honda

A quick question: how many guns do you see on those turrets?


One per turret. ZH 1 has this armament. Has a squared off stern, notably used if ship had minelaying capability, which ZH-1 had.



Brady -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 3:47:23 AM)

He 115, it is:)

Type 1934A, it is:)


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Image source does not identify the ship, it does Identify the ship Not sean, which is the Gneisenau, just off to the upper left (I croped it out), so because of that the DD in the Image can not be a Type 1936B, as noted the upper works apear to be the give away.



waynec -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 5:09:35 AM)

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Hmm, 2 stacks, non flush decked hull, early style 5" gunhouses, and mine cutters on the stern, so I'll say its an early US Destroyer, Mahan or Farragut class.


those are mine (cable) cutters on the stern. i thought they were propeller guards to keep a crewman out of the propellers in case a he fell overboard.

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Tankerace -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 5:15:00 AM)

I always heard them refered to as mine cutters, even though I don't see how they could be used as such. How could they be propellor gguards? A human could fall right through them, and still be sucked up by the props.

I know on subs they are minecutters, to rather things to keep minecables and other stuff from fouling the propellors. I dunno though, I could be wrong.



Ron Saueracker -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 5:21:32 AM)

Propellor guards were there to protect the props from damage caused while alongside docks, ships, etc. If a sailor fell off and bounced off one, he was lucky. That's what rope lashings and railings were for. propellor guards appeared on ships with slender hulls and even more slender sterns, and the propellor blades actually extended beyond the breadth of the hull. I believe they were also designed to keep hausers from accidently fouling the props while maneuving in harbor, sort of a last ditch contrivance to keep the props clear of fouling (gives a sailor a chance to correct his or someone elses mistake)



fbastos -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 8:25:55 AM)

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propellor guards appeared on ships with slender hulls and even more slender sterns, and the propellor blades actually extended beyond the breadth of the hull.


Oh... I could quite never get what these things were for...

Great info, Ron, thank you.

F.

PS: Living = Learning

PS 2: Hmmm.. Living = Learning why the Zerstorers 1934A had propellor guards... gah, now I'm depressed...



ENRIGAST -> RE: Name This...(205 Special Edation) (10/17/2004 7:36:15 PM)

I have this picture in the translation to spanish of the book "War on the High Seas", It's true that the ship is a german DD escorting the Gneisenau,that is not sawn here, later the Geneisenau would recover the plane with her crane. The plane is called a reconnainssance one.



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