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ladner -> Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 5:34:47 PM)
I have been working on a mod for the AI to be played by the Japanese. I have taken some liberities of cutting down the build time of DDs/DEs/PCs so the AI can manage to protect the resources from the SRA. I was thinking about adding in some cruiser that were designed but not built, was hoping that people on this forum would have some ideas on Japanese ship names. Does anyone have any suggestions on Japanese ship names? Any how, I noticed that only one Oyodo built, and there was to be a sister ship that was never begun. I am also thinking of adding in the Ibuki Class CAs. Which have the following stats: displacement: 12,200 tons armament: ten 8" guns, eight 5" dual purpose guns, sixten 24" torpedo tubes aircraft: 3 speed: 35 knots Of course Ibuki was converted to a CVL and never completed.

ladner -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 5:50:06 PM)
May have answered my own question, interesting link, http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijnnames.htm for anyone interested. Now if only our resident Japanese scholars could tell me of any mountain names or ranges in Japan I would be grateful. From looking at that website, the Japanese named battleships after provinces, CAs after mountains, volcanoes, or rivers, CLs after rivers. CVs and CVLs have interseting names, either birds or mythic creatures such as phoenixes and dragons.

hithere -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 6:20:54 PM)
here is a good one for a CV "I'sinkie" heh heh heh [:D]

ladner -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 6:27:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hithere here is a good one for a CV "I'sinkie" heh heh heh [:D] At first I was [:@]. Because I was hoping for some constructive feedback. However, that was funny [:D]

hithere -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 6:44:11 PM)
you pretty much have what you need i think. just pull up a map of japan i guess to get the rest. www.combinedfleet.com is one of the best site on the web, in my opinion. some people i know say it is slanted toward the U.S. It has future Japanese ship names somewhere on the site i believe.

Platoonist -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 8:20:26 PM)
One thing you could do to help Japan out a little bit in the ASW department is to add the few destroyers that Japan built but lost prior to the war. Sawarabi, Wakatake class --lost in 1932 after capsizing in a storm. Miyuki, Fubuki class --broke in two and sank when she was rammed in the boiler room by the Ikazuchi in 1935. Warabi, Momi class --lost 1927 when she collided with the cruiser Jintsu. For ship names you try Japanese ships that were cancelled prior to being built. There a sizable number of Japanese destroyers that were named but their construction was halted or never started.

String -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 9:11:18 PM)
btw... what does "Maru" signify in the jap merchant names?

Platoonist -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 9:15:37 PM)
There are several theories associated with this word being attached to ship names. The most common is that ships were thought of as floating castles and the word maru referred to the defensive "circles" or maru that protected the castle. Another explanation is that the suffix maru is often applied to words representing something that is beloved and that sailors applied this suffix to their ships. A third explanation is that the term "maru" is used in divination and represents perfection or completeness, or the ship as a small world of its own. The final explanation is a legend of the "Hakudo Maru"" which was the name of a celestial being that came to earth and taught humans how to build ships. It is said that the name "maru" is attached to a ship to secure celestial protection for it as it travels. Still today commercial and private ships are named with this convention. I wouldn't be suprised if there are other definitions for Maru out there as well. [:D]

ladner -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 10:25:45 PM)
Platoonist - so far I have followed your advice, the book, Fleets of World War II, by Richard Worth is an excellant source of info. I have added 3 CA's, the 'Ibuki Class', renamed the Ibuki CVL to Sea Dragon -> not sure if this comes out right, Taikairyu. Also added 2 BCs, these were the "795" and "796" projects, which never got beyond the drawing board. As designed they would have the following: Displacement 31,495 tons, nine 12.2" guns, sixteen 3.9 inch dual purpose guns, eight 24" torpedo tubes, 3 aircraft, speed of 33 knots. I am going to have them named Kii and Owari, which were planned battleships that were never built. I created this image, if someone is more talented feel free to help out. Basically reduced the fore and aft of the Yamato and reduced the main gun barrells. Not much of artist, but I am more interested in play-testing the scenario right now. [image]local://upfiles/4062/Hf997161848.jpg[/image]

Tiornu -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 10:42:04 PM)
"Platoonist - so far I have followed your advice, the book, Fleets of World War II, by Richard Worth is an excellant source of info." That's the kind of talk I like to hear! Hey, I had so many customers for my 10-buck sale that I decided to continue it to Christmas. Anyone who wants signed copies, send a note to my screen name @att.net .

ladner -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/14/2004 11:24:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tiornu "Platoonist - so far I have followed your advice, the book, Fleets of World War II, by Richard Worth is an excellant source of info." That's the kind of talk I like to hear! Hey, I had so many customers for my 10-buck sale that I decided to continue it to Christmas. Anyone who wants signed copies, send a note to my screen name @att.net . If you had to hazard a guess what type of AAA armament do you think would have fit on the "795" and "796" projects?

Tiornu -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/15/2004 2:45:29 AM)
I would follow Lacroix & Wells and their excellent book. They list four triple mounts of 25mm cannon and a pair of twin 13mm machine gun mounts. Obviously this would have increased according to whatever date they entered service, and they might also have carried those charming little AA rockets.

Speedysteve -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/15/2004 3:26:15 PM)
Tiornu - Do you know if those AA rockets were effective at all? I take it they were one shot wonders? Regards, Steven

Feinder -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/15/2004 3:59:55 PM)
Holy Krap Ladner, Nice job! Now you just have 368 other classes to make pretty! Get to work! -F-

b5n -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/15/2004 4:02:25 PM)
quote: renamed the Ibuki CVL to Sea Dragon -> not sure if this comes out right, Taikairyu. This doesn't sound quite right. It's 3 kanji, all other CV names are 2 kanji. Perhaps you could go with "Kairyu" which also works out to "Sea Dragon", but that doesn't sound quite right either. There are many beautiful words for dragons, just not for the sea variety. How about "Black Dragon" Kokuryu, for example? I understand you need some mountain names for your cruisers. How many?

Tiornu -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/15/2004 10:11:01 PM)
I have never heard of a plane being knocked down by these AA rockets. In fact, I don't recall ever hearing of pilots finding them intimidating. At least the Type 3 AA shells earned some comments. The British and Germans also used AA rockets on their ships. The British gave up on them early in the war. The German, like the Japanese, issued them as a desperation measure later in the war. If anyone knows of a plane shot down by one of these weapons, I'd like to hear of it.

ladner -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/16/2004 2:17:33 AM)
There was going to be an Ibuki class, originally, just Ibuki and a sister ship, since this mod was going to enhance/favor an AI led Japan was going to go for a total of 3 Ibuki Class CAs. Also plaining on adding a project "795" and "796" which were super-heavy cruisers, I was going to treat them as Battle Cruisers, originally was going to go with Kii and Owari, which were two BCs that were never built because of the Washington Naval Treaty. The only other would be adding another Oyodo class CL, was thinking of Teshio, which I beleive is the name of river in northern Hokkaido. Many of the CLs are named after bodies of water. If you have any suggestions for additional Taiho class names or another sister to Shokaku, I would appreciate it. I will use the name you suggest for the 'Ibuki' converted to a CVL, Kairyu. I know very little Japanese, was trying to use an on-line free conversion utility, so I would not expect the best of results. Thanks by the way. Unfortunately I screwed up my work, by changing a device in the range of 1-256, which is a big no-no. I am in the process of redoing everything. Altering the plane upgrade paths and trying to best guess AI production, since it does not make any changes was very painful.

Tomo -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/17/2004 9:39:45 AM)
Historically, the 2nd ship of OYODO class was planned to be NIYODO(river name). The 2nd ship of IBUKI class was not named. Just called No.301. She was stopped to built and scrapped soon after Midway. IBUKI was called NO.300 before she was named.

Graycompany -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/17/2004 5:25:35 PM)
what about "Wassabe"

mikemike -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/17/2004 6:59:47 PM)
I thought about something similar, so I collected a few names. First, BB�s. These are all genuine names used on BB�s, either before 1914 or cancelled due to the Washungton Treaty: Hizen Tango Suwo Iwami Asahi Shikishima Aki Satsuma Kawachi Settsu Tosa (sister of Kaga) Owari Kii Heavy cruisers: real names: Yakumo Iwate Idzumo Asama Tokiwa Aso Azuma Kasuga Ikoma Kurama and some mountains: Niitaka Bandai Hiuchiga Tateyama Yuriga Fuji Hakone Sanage Komuga Sekido Unzen Some rivers for CL�s Hirado Yodo Koreyu Echi Kushida Tojo Minami Ibi Nishiki Shona Nabori Uji Kakehashi Takahashi Not really knowing any Japanese, I mixed and matched names for the CV�s, producing Ryukaku and Asakaku for additional Shokakus Chiho for a Taiho sister Karigane Kurogane Momogane Kitagane for a fictitious class. I don�t know if any of those names make any sense in Japanese (except for Karigane, which means "Wild Goose" AFAIK), but they certainly sound authentic. Whitley (Destroyers of World War II) has a number of names for cancelled Yugumos and Akizukis, for instance Umigiri Yamagiri Tanigiri Kawagiri Taekaze for Yugumos and Arashikaru Asahikari Chugao Hikugumo Hikushio Kaosame Karuiyuki for Akizukis. I throw in the towel for escorts. You might, however, look at today�s JMSDF and Japanese Coast Guard names; ship names get recycled in Japan, too. Hope this helps.

ladner -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/18/2004 1:52:42 AM)
mikemike - thank you. That was exactly the type of information that I was looking for. I think you have also saved my eyesight, have been pouring over an old world atlas and other maps of Japan, thought I was going to have to get a magnifying glass to read the print.

ladner -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/20/2004 2:59:10 AM)
b5n - I was going to add 3 CA's and 2 BC, so five mountain names should do it. Also, do you have any suggestions for a sistership to Shokaku and Zuikaku? One other item, who would you translate 'greater dragon' into Japanese?

tsimmonds -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/20/2004 3:06:13 AM)
Don't forget the Karaoke.

Marcus Trajan -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/20/2004 6:41:07 PM)
"One other item, who would you translate 'greater dragon' into Japanese?" It would be 'Tairyu' Is it a carrier you're tryig to use the name? I think they used 'dragon' only for carriers. BTW, my first post.[:)]

mikemike -> RE: Japanese Ship Names (11/21/2004 8:45:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ladner I think you have also saved my eyesight, have been pouring over an old world atlas and other maps of Japan, thought I was going to have to get a magnifying glass to read the print. Funny you should mention that! The mountain and river names are the result of an evening�s poring over the Encyclopaedia Britannica (Japan:Geography) and the Britannica Atlas. And yes, I did use a magnifying glass. Glad to have been a help.

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