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Dolmon -> Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (11/26/2004 6:15:11 PM)

Is the damage to oil and resources random when you capture them? Or are there things that you can do to limit the damage?

Seems like a lot of time would be wasted playing to find palemberg totally trashed and needing 2 years of repairs.


Any strategies?



worr -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (11/26/2004 6:37:01 PM)

Yes, it does seem you can.

I found in one game that if you starve them out...and don't rush, you can take the oil fields 100% in tact. He had maybe 5 ENG units there too. Use bombardment, and smaller attacks over a long period of time to wear them down.

Worr, out



WhoCares -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (11/26/2004 6:38:20 PM)

Kill (disabling might be enough) all the Engineers at the base.
Bombard the base for several days/weeks/month before you finally take it.
Command attacks that do not take the base but kill/(disable?) its garrison.
Of course, all this burns supplies you might just as well use to rebuild the resource/oil centers [:D]



tsimmonds -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (11/26/2004 6:53:50 PM)

I don't know about limiting damage when you take them, but any competent Allied player will bomb the p1ss out of your new oil centers after you take them. Don't get impatient and try to take them too soon. Wait until after you have whittled down whatever strategic air threats he could possibly deploy before you capture the big oil centers in particular (Singapore especially, but there are others; you know where they are in your game better than I do). Be ready to defend them as well; have aviation support, AAA, and A6Ms ready to move in along with the construction engineers. It does little good to capture them intact if you then allow your enemy to pound them into scrap from the air....



Oznoyng -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (11/30/2004 10:42:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

I don't know about limiting damage when you take them, but any competent Allied player will bomb the p1ss out of your new oil centers after you take them. Don't get impatient and try to take them too soon. Wait until after you have whittled down whatever strategic air threats he could possibly deploy before you capture the big oil centers in particular (Singapore especially, but there are others; you know where they are in your game better than I do). Be ready to defend them as well; have aviation support, AAA, and A6Ms ready to move in along with the construction engineers. It does little good to capture them intact if you then allow your enemy to pound them into scrap from the air....

Singapore doesn't have any oil. I presume you meant Palembang?



Feinder -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (11/30/2004 11:04:11 PM)

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I don't know about limiting damage when you take them, but any competent Allied player will bomb the p1ss out of your new oil centers after you take them.


You betcha. Easy exp for newbie Allied bombers. And even your fighter squadrons can bomb resource hexes. Anything I can do to burn supplies from my opponents. It's fun for the whole family!

-F-



tsimmonds -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (11/30/2004 11:07:48 PM)

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Singapore doesn't have any oil. I presume you meant Palembang?


Actually I was trying to hold up Singapore as an example of a strategic air threat that needed to be whittled down before taking the big oil centers, but my syntax sucked.



mlees -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (11/30/2004 11:11:56 PM)

Burmese Oil/Manpower/Rescources are good from Hvy bombers in Calcutta.

At least, the AI I play doesn't put fighters in Mandalay to stop me...

The Japanese are on a production drop-dead schedule, though. If you take too much time capturing rescources/oil, I'm not sure if the supply savings make up for the possible production lost from not having enough oil and whatnot.



pompack -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (12/1/2004 2:30:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mlees

Burmese Oil/Manpower/Rescources are good from Hvy bombers in Calcutta.

At least, the AI I play doesn't put fighters in Mandalay to stop me...

The Japanese are on a production drop-dead schedule, though. If you take too much time capturing rescources/oil, I'm not sure if the supply savings make up for the possible production lost from not having enough oil and whatnot.



There is a second reason for waiting as long as possible to capture oil centers. The oil that is being pumped by the allies (and they can't stop pumping) is "money in the bank". When you finally do get around to taking the enter, there will be thousands and thousands of tons of oil just sitting there waiting to be loaded. There will usually be at least some damage to the oil center when you take it; if you want to maximize the amount of oil in Japanese stocks in April 42, don't take ANY oil center until late march and then take all at once. This way all of the oil centers will be pumping at max rate and storing the oil for you. If you take the center it might get damaged and then the Allies will bomb it; by waiting until all of the Allied air is destroyed (or pushed out of range) before you take the oil centers, you protect them from bombing and maximize the amount of oil (in the short term; they will still take damage that has to be repaired).

Yes, this is VERY gamey and highly unrealistic; not only can the Allies not sabotage the oil, they have to store it and keep it safe for the Japanese invaders.



Feinder -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (12/1/2004 7:32:08 AM)

Gamey and unrealistic, sure. But I give you high marks for innovation, and I'm an Allied fanboy!

I really is an excellent idea. Kudos.

Now if I could only convince U2/Kbullar/Ltfighter to put off capturing -anything- until about 1944...

[;)]
-F-



mlees -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (12/1/2004 6:23:40 PM)

This sounds like you need to be a master at forward thinking and timing.

I am neither.



Dolmon -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (12/7/2004 12:45:28 AM)

There seems to be a catch to capturing them late.

The oil is being destroyed.

I took Balikpapan (300 oil) in mid January. It produces 1800 oil per day. There should have been about 60000 oil, but there was only about 20000.

This has been repeated even at undefended oil, such as Miri.

I know the Allies didn't stick around and transfer the oil out.

No one was ever at Miri.

But it still is nice that when you get Palemberg there will be 100000+ oil there, but it is not the full production of 4200 per day.



BlackVoid -> RE: Can you limit Oil & resource damage when you capture them? (12/7/2004 3:28:01 PM)

Spoilage it seems works for oil too.
My strategy is to land some arty from the Malaya invasion force in Palembang and bomb the hell out of the defenders before taking it. 900 resource and 900 oil points would take forever to repair otherwise. Not to mention the supply drain...



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