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ravinhood -> RE: Why all this aversion when it comes to Hearts of Iron (HOI)? (12/19/2004 2:27:46 PM)
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Some liked patch 1.06c, some did not, for myself HOI wasn't good until patch 1.06, but, that was a year and a half later, how would you like to buy a car that isn't complete until a year and a half later? You would return it most likely and never buy from that car dealer again.
This reasoning that all software is flawed and we "SHOULD" buy it that way has got to stop. There's no other product out there we would allow such from and would return it in a heartbeat if faulty or flawed. The problem lies in that somehow, someway the software industry gets away with releasing "faulty, problematic" software without a "regulated" return policy for the consumers. And that's a big reason Paradox and many others get the histories that they have. Now, I can take a simple software issue and live with it until a patch, but, A YEAR AND A HALF LATER?? no way and every one of Paradox's games requires that kind of time frame before they are worthy of purchase.
There's two solutions to defeating the software industry of it's "buy it now, we "MIGHT" fix it later" policies and that is to either not purchase the titles at all or wait until the titles hit "bargain bin" pricing where they do not make a dimes profit off of it and perhaps when their sales are low enough they will take another look at how they market their games. This is the policy I have taken for the last several years now. I no longer "rush" out to buy a newly released product and if I can find it on ebay or amazon.com or any other auction/discount software outlet that is where I will purchase it from now on until there is a "full refund" policy established for newly released software. If they want my "retail dollars" this is what they are going to have to do.
As far a reasoning that with no refund policy it reduces piracy is a load of crap, if someone is going to pirate the game or make a copy and give to their friend, they are going to do it anyway, always. And with high speed internet connections now, software piracy will only grow as more and more games come out in faulty and flawed condition. I do not condone "piracy", I will not "steal" a game, but, I certainly will look for the best deal on buying one now.
As for HOI 2 in general, to me, it's nothing more than HOI 1.07, a few design changes and UI changes, do not make a new game to me, it just makes an incomplete game HOI 1, a little different with a new title and another $40 to $50 price tag for much of the same. That's another thing I am moving away from games that have 2's, 3's, 4's etc. etc. after an origional title. Anything that has a number after the title also makes its way to the "wait for the bargain bin pricing" in a few months.
As far as HOI 2 not being very flawed or require major patching, well hell after nearly two years of playing around with HOI it shouldn't require any patching, it's nothing more than HOI anyway. So, releasing HOI 2 with few bugs or in need of less patching proves nothing to me about Paradox's ways, when they release a complete NEW title with no 2's, III's etc. after it, and requires little or no patching, then I "might" believe Paradox is moving in the right direction. Therefore HOI 2 is a no buy, until bargain bin pricing or perhaps never. Victoria and CK made their way back to my software dealer without question, it certainly helps when you have a close friend that runs a retail software outlet and you can "return" games that are crapola. Unfortunately this is not an advantage for all consumers and it should be.
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