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tanker4145 -> In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 4:37:34 PM)
I've recently been playing a two day a turn PBEM scenario and don't think I can ever go back. I was worried about losing some control over my units, but instead find it to be more fun. A few things I like: 1. You progress faster, and I like watching two turns of replays at once. 2. It only adds about 10 minutes to a turn since I need to do a little more checking on units after two days, but is overall much quicker then 2X1 day turns. 3. It seems to slow the game down. Because you have a turn where you can't micro-manage (the second day), you can't drop a unit off one turn, and pick it up the next and ship it off, or capture a city and hop on the train to the next one within 24 hours, the pace seems a little more realistic. 4. To me, it requires more planning since you have to think through what your orders will do for two turns. Do I want my B-17's long range bombing for two days and take those OPs losses? What happens if an enemy Surface combat TF show up on the first turn to hit my invasion? 5. I get more anxious about the turns since a lot more can go wrong (or right) in a turn. It "feels" more realistic since you worry about what your commanders may do in some cases. Sometimes they make bad decisions, just like in real life, this is where the additional planning comes into effect. I know a lot of people don't like the idea of not being able to control everyday, but I just love the feel of it and it seems to slow down the game some which I know a lot of players complain about. If you haven't tried it, I recommend giving it a try. I was also skeptical, but like I said, I doubt I'll go back, and I'm thinking when I have time for another game to go for a 3 day turn to see how that works. Just wanted to throw out a little praise for them and maybe sway a few of you to give it a go.

Nikademus -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 4:55:13 PM)
oh yeah........ another convert. [:D]

rhohltjr -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 5:13:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tanker4145 I've recently been playing a two day a turn PBEM scenario and don't think I can ever go back. Just wanted to throw out a little praise for them and maybe sway a few of you to give it a go. Preaching to the choir here bro. I only use single day turns for submarine based evacuation missions which I must micromanage. I always go 2 day turns and sometimes 3 day turn. [8D] If things go really wrong. Well that is what that F9 key is for.

AmiralLaurent -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 6:46:12 PM)
quote: Preaching to the choir here bro. I only use single day turns for submarine based evacuation missions which I must micromanage. I always go 2 day turns and sometimes 3 day turn. [8D] If things go really wrong. Well that is what that F9 key is for. That is possible in AI games but in PBEM the turn lenght is set once at start of the game. I will be a strong fan of 2-3 days turn if air units would be rested if above a player-choosen fatigue level, or you will have your planes flying the second day probably only to suffer more losses and be less precise. Air units still need much micro-management. My own PBEM gaming sequence is two turns a day, one done in the evening with must checking and planning then sent to my opponent(s) and then I check the turn in the morning before work, did some minor changes or reacted locally to a new threat (for example 11 Japanese Cv appearing near PH) but still wait for the evening and next game day for the strategic reaction.

Ron Saueracker -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 7:06:05 PM)
Iwant totry it myself.

scout1 -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 7:18:08 PM)
As Tanker4145's opponent, I wholeheartedly agree. 2 day turns are the best (though I haven't tried for 3 day turns yet). I've got 3 games going right now, all at 2 day turns. Wouldn't trade'em for anything. [:D][:D][:D]

Nikademus -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 7:21:51 PM)
because of my schedule....i prefer 2day for PBEM because on average i can only do 1 turn per day. That translates litterally into taking as long as the war was fought for me to get through an entire game. Worse, sometimes i miss a day if i'm really tied up at work/barn. I've gotten the farthest in PBEM test games using 2days. Everyone who's taken the plunge with me found it wasn't nearly as bad as they thought it was going to be and ended up liking it. Its very cool to get well into the game after only a month or two of real time spent.

tanker4145 -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 7:48:32 PM)
Scout1, I'm glad we went the 2 day route. You converted me! It can be irritating when units fly too much and you get some more ops losses, but the positives outweigh the negatives for me. Plus, it's great seeing the time fly by twice as fast without each turn taking as much time. Plus, right now I'm busy as work so I only average a turn every other day due to work, so it helps keep the game moving.

Alikchi2 -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 9:19:37 PM)
I would never have gotten anywhere in the games I have going if we had done 1-day turns. [:)] I like the planning element - and the fact that it means you can't recover from an action immediately. I can throw in a CV group and get some free strikes instead of one air phase before he immediately pulls out. Then again, if I put them in range of his LBA, I'll be in trouble, and it'll take a while before I can tell them to pull out.. just adds more uncertainty, which is good.

BlackVoid -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 10:30:29 PM)
2 days is quite nice, I have to agree. It is more realistic as well. I just wish there was a choice to go to 3 or 1 day turns in PBEM if the situation allows/requires. There are some things that you just cannot do. But on the whole 2 day turns make people a bit more cautios. If you order something stupid, that order will carry on to one more day.

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 11:26:56 PM)
Been playing 2 day turns for over a year know and I like it also makes the game play out a bit faster and you only have to micromanage half the time, if you screw up you pay as you would in real life and not be able to counter in an instant.

kaleun -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/6/2005 11:48:30 PM)
I have a concern about two day turns. I landed at this base in the PI, a base force and a combat force. The base was empty, and duly taken; the I order the TF to pick up the troops, both base and combat force, and land them in the next base, on the same island. The TF picks up a protion of the base force, moves to the next base and lands them. There was no oposition, so they did not get creamed. There is an enemy combat TF one hex away though, so they could possibly come in and cream my base force, while the moron TF commander goes back to pick up the remnants of the base force, AND the combat unit. On one day turns, you can fix up that kind of mess, on two day turns, that could be a disaster.

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 12:35:50 AM)
Well the fact is it probably takes a day to load troops and a day to unload so we are all playing slightly unrealistic anyway as it is a game. in real life they probably would have had to march across the swamps to enable the ships to move on so as not to get pummeled anyway and get more troops. we all play unrealistic to some degree as the game mechanics force this, it just depends on how unrealistic we choose to play. taking bases with base forces is not wise...

freeboy -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 1:02:03 AM)
two each his own[:D]

Knavey -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 1:20:15 AM)
Feinder and I tried a PBEM game with 2 day turns...did not particularly care for it. Too easy to exploit the other players inability to react to your moves. But, that is just my $.02 worth.

freeboy -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 1:29:29 AM)
I will never ever play two day turns.. I do not feel the game engine is good in pbem for the kind of needed reactive ability especially in cv duels

kaleun -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 2:15:28 AM)
quote: taking bases with base forces is not wise... That is why they had a SNLF combat unit with them! And for some unknown reason, it did not load.[8\|]

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 2:38:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kaleun quote: taking bases with base forces is not wise... That is why they had a SNLF combat unit with them! And for some unknown reason, it did not load.[8\|] That happens, I have a transport task force for assault forces and a transport task force for base forces, land the assault forces first secure the base and follow up with the base forces, more of a standard that way. I just feel that a mistake or a suprise in warfare is part of the game, not everything goes perfect and according to plan and if I am not covering my invasions correctly then shame on me, but I can accept those issues as they come up as a part of the fog of warfare, makes it more interesting that way. I play PBEM with 1 day turns and 2 day turns but I would never go more than 2 days as I think that is too much of a loss of control.

Zeta16 -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 3:49:18 AM)
I play both and both are good in their own ways. As Japan I like one day turns, becasue you get less leway to make a mistake. As the US it does not bother me, mistakes don't hurt as much.

WiTP_Dude -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 4:53:35 AM)
Nothing wrong with two days turns. One day turns can really drag along sometimes. With three day turns, sometimes you have to resort to praying.

scout1 -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 6:09:05 AM)
quote: I will never ever play two day turns.. I do not feel the game engine is good in pbem for the kind of needed reactive ability especially in cv duels Come'on Matthew, the reaction of CV duels (or any duel for that matter) was run on the local level. Not Supreme headquarters. Sure, you had some good local commanders and some idoits (but Darwin took care of them naturally). There's not been a "Supreme commander" that made ALL the decisions for the ENTIRE chain of command. Enjoy your one day turns if you wish, but 2 days do result in a more realistic play. Just my $.02.[:D][:D]

erstad -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 6:52:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Knavey Feinder and I tried a PBEM game with 2 day turns...did not particularly care for it. Too easy to exploit the other players inability to react to your moves. The flip side is it does moderate the instantaneous ability to react to intelligence, particularly given the transferred-air-can-conduct-missions-the-same-day factor. With one day turns, the minute a TF is seen approaching the vicinity of a target, 100 Bettys or B-26s can be transfered and operational. IRL, the transit time would be significant, not to mention the lag in interpreting the intelligence and making a decision to transfer air halfway across the theater. But, to each his own.

tabpub -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 7:22:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erstad quote: ORIGINAL: Knavey Feinder and I tried a PBEM game with 2 day turns...did not particularly care for it. Too easy to exploit the other players inability to react to your moves. The flip side is it does moderate the instantaneous ability to react to intelligence, particularly given the transferred-air-can-conduct-missions-the-same-day factor. With one day turns, the minute a TF is seen approaching the vicinity of a target, 100 Bettys or B-26s can be transfered and operational. IRL, the transit time would be significant, not to mention the lag in interpreting the intelligence and making a decision to transfer air halfway across the theater. But, to each his own. Really right on that point, about the teleportation of air assets on a whim. In addition to preparation points for land units, you should have to "prepare" to transfer planes (anywhere LB to LB...CV pilots are gods and should not have to worry...seriously, as RL SOP would be to fly the carrier air group off to the local naval air station before reaching/after leaving port) I hate to sound like a moaner and know that it is the same for both sides GAMEwise, but c'mon...in two days, a 4 engine bomber can fly across 1/4 of the world, land at a base staffed by ground crewmen of an entirely different nationality and fly if the CO(you) desires it....never mind the lack specific armament that would be there...or the spares...or the experienced ground crew that knows the difference between a Merlin and a Double Wasp engine... <sound of a scuffle in the background> Ok, I subdued the thread hijacker...now, where were we...oh, right 2 day turns. Think they work fine. Had one going with Lemurs in 1.2, but when he lost some stuff, we put it on "hold". Currently doing 1 day with Herbie and slow as molasses some days...and the insta react stuff comes into play <SLAP!> Sorry..anyone want to start one? 2 day, that is...

Knavey -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 11:13:32 AM)
You are correct on the example that you give...but here is the flip side of the coin. CV group shows up near an AF with operational aircraft that are set to train or asw or some other set of orders that would immeadiately be changed if there was so much as a whim of the enemy in the area. Can't do it on 2 day turns. You can only sit and watch as your guys continue to goof off while the threat sits within striking distance.

tabpub -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 11:25:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Knavey You are correct on the example that you give...but here is the flip side of the coin. CV group shows up near an AF with operational aircraft that are set to train or asw or some other set of orders that would immeadiately be changed if there was so much as a whim of the enemy in the area. Can't do it on 2 day turns. You can only sit and watch as your guys continue to goof off while the threat sits within striking distance. Why on EARTH would you have an embarked carrier strike squadron set on train? If it is tired, then select Escort/naval attack with 0 for CAP/Search. They will sit if no one is around. And as for ASW....again why would a strike squadron be set on that? You have floatplanes for that, and DD's. If you must, set an SBD/TBD/TBF with 20-30% Naval Search if you want to look for subs. But, I think, that the best anti sub defense is to strip 3-4 DD's from the screen, form an ASW group with it and have it "follow" the carrier. But, that would just be conjecture on my part, as no IJN subs have come looking for my CVs yet..(of course, they spend most of the time behind nets)

tanker4145 -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/7/2005 5:07:00 PM)
tabpub, I think he was referring to the land AF base. Funny stuff can happen, but it also happens with 1 day turns. I can think of many reasons to quantify why a local commander may not attack an enemy TF for a day or two. I also make it a habit of having at least one fighter on escort and one bomber group on escort at least at any larger air base that has multiple units to help with this. But I can live with the couple problems like this that pop up in order to have the game move faster.

tabpub -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/8/2005 5:18:05 AM)
I stand humbly corrected; it was late and my eyes are not what they used to be. Perhaps they should have included training in the list of secondary operations; if no target for naval strike, then train....

eMonticello -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/8/2005 6:03:05 AM)
Another option is to rotate air groups so they can train in rear areas and not in combat areas. quote: ORIGINAL: tabpub I stand humbly corrected; it was late and my eyes are not what they used to be. Perhaps they should have included training in the list of secondary operations; if no target for naval strike, then train....

bradfordkay -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/8/2005 6:18:17 PM)
"Standing down" falls under the guise of training in WITP. If you're trying to rest your front line air units, do you need to transfer them back out of the forward bases?

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: In praise of 2 day turns (1/8/2005 6:24:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bradfordkay "Standing down" falls under the guise of training in WITP. If you're trying to rest your front line air units, do you need to transfer them back out of the forward bases? I do as your front line is just that a front line in warfare, you need be ready for anything and there is no better training than combat. But to rest and train should be done in the rear areas that is why we discipline ourselves to constantly rotate air crews in and out of combat daily. Every turn somewhere I am rotating aircrews.

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