War Plan Orange Scenario #4: "Pacific Jutland" Test AAR (Full Version)

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Tankerace -> War Plan Orange Scenario #4: "Pacific Jutland" Test AAR (1/15/2005 12:43:52 AM)

(In the voice of Sean Connery)

My Friends, I present you the First Plan Orange AAR.

(end voice).

This is a head to head AAR of the War Plan Orange Scenario "Pacific Jutland". First, a description of the scenario.

Formosa (Taiwan) is in desparate need of supplies. The British, in a prelude to taking the island, are to force a blockade by the Grand Fleet. Japan must not let this happen, and must supply the island, or destroy the Royal Navy, whatever the cost.

This scenario is meant as a Hotseat or PBEM only scenario, and as such no AI provisions were taken for it.

Both navies are evenly matched, in the sense that there is not a clear-cut advantage for either side. The breakdowns areroughly :

Japan
25 battleships, of which 9 are dreadnoughts (2 semi-dreadnoughts too)
8 Battlecruisers
3 Aircraft Carriers
31 Cruisers, about 7 of the Armoured type. The Rest are Protected and Light cruisers.
~70 Destroyers, of which maybe 30 are of the "first class" variety.
about 30 submarines of all types.
10 Q ships, 5 of the ASW type and 5 of the ML type.
~30 Minesweepers, all converted from Asakaze type 3rd class destroyers.

Britain
34 Battleships, of which 33 are dreadnoughts. However, only 10 have 15" guns. The rest have 13.5 and 12 inch, meaining they will have to suffer the cannonade of the Japanese battleships while they close the range.
10 Battlecruisers, of which 4 are older 12 inch gunned ships. This means that in a battle with the Japanese BCs, at the beggining 6 must slug it out with 8. Of those 6, 2 are armed with 13.5 inch Guns (Lion and Tiger), and thus must close the range themselves.
2 Aircraft Carriers
35 Cruisers, 2 of which are the Outrageous class, and 1 is an Armoured cruiser. Also, one is the ex carrier Vindictive, reconverted in 1934.
66 Destroyers, which comprise leaders, older TBDs, and newer ships.
2 Dozen submarines of all types.

The analysis of the fleets indicate that,

1) Britain has more BBs than Japan. However, in an opening engagement the initial combat will be 8 to 10, (the Japanese Settsu has 12" guns).
2) Britain has only 1 more BC (for balance, Princess Royal, Howe, and Rodney are not in the Scenario.) However, 4 of the Japanese BCs can out range all of the British, and the other 4 can outrange 4 of the British. Here, Japan is the winner.
3) Aircraft Carriers. a 3 to 2 superiority for the Japanese here.
4) Cruisers. Britain outnumbers Japan here, but the Last cruisers were built in 1926 (the 2 E class). The rest are all WWI vintage. Japan gains the Tenryu, Nagara, Kuma, and Sendai class cruisers in the '20s, giving Japan an edge here. Also, only the 4 Sendais and the HMS Vindictive can carry seaplanes.
5) Destoyers. Here it is evenly matched, with Japanese DDs carrying the same armament as their British counterparts. The well armed Special Type (Fubuki) have not yet entered service.
6) Submarines. Here again it is evenly matched, as only a small portion of British Submarines are coastal boats. However, Japan produces newer subs, of which Japan does not. In addition, in the M class monitor submarine, Britain possess a fearsome commerce raider.

Now I will write out the tactics, and give combat reports.


Japan's First Turn

Objective: Keep Formosa supplied, and inflict as much damage on the enemy as possible.

Since I don't know where the enemy will attack, whether he will aim for my fleet or my convoys, I am going to create 4 main TFs.

TF-1 Will be the battle line. This consists of the most modern 8 dreadnoughts (All but Settsu), 2 Sendai class cruisers (with seaplanes) and 5 destroyers.

TF-2 Will be the scouting line. This consists of the 8 BCs, the other 2 Sendais, and 5 destroyers.

TF-3 Will be the supporting Line. This consists of the 3 Semi-dreadnoughts and 5 most modern pre dreadnoughts. Next turn, when the Settsu arrives in Hiroshima/Kure, she will become the flag. In addition, 5 destroyers, 2 Armoured Cruisers, and 2 Protected cruisers have been attached.

TF-4 Will be on convoy duty. This is 4 BBs, 4 CLs, and 2 DDs. Assigned an Escort Mission, they will escort directly my first convoy to Formosa.

TF-5 Will be a routine Convoy to Taipei. Consisting of 20 APs and AKs, and a destroyer. To be escorted by TF-4.

TF-6 Are 2 CAs and some DDs, to help form another Escort TF.

TFs 7-13 Are Submarine TFs, deployed in a line from the Pescadores to Batan Island. This should give me advance warning of the RN.

Orders, I am moving the Battle Fleet (TF-1,2, and 3) To Naha, to put them in range to engage the enemy.

Britain's First Turn

I begin creating my fleet. Since my fleet is at both sides of the spectrum (15" and 12" ship), I create 3 TFs of battleships.

TF1001 is centered around the 5 QEs (3 of which have been rebuilt with trunked funnels) and the 3 Colossus/Neptunes and 2 of the St. Vincents.

TF1002 is centered around the 5 R class, with the older Bellerophons, The Vanguard, and the Dreadnought.

TF1003 is centered around the remaining ships, the Iron Dukes, King George Vs, and Orions, complete with Agincourt and Erin.

TF1004 is the scouting wing, consisting of the 10 BCs and the 2 Outrageous CLs.

TF1005 is the second scouting wind, with Furious, Vindictive, and a good number of cruisers.

Each has several CLs and DDs assigned.

TF1006-10 are sub TFs, the 3 M class monitors assigned to 3 of the ports at formosa, and 2 L class subs sent off Japan to detect the enemy fleet.

Nothing happened, so no combat report. Will post turn 3 in a sec.




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 1:04:07 AM)

Japan Turn 3

The First convoy, with 50,000 supplies is on it sway to Taipei. I am sending the Entire battle fleet to a point NW of Formosa. In addition, I am sending my 3 carriers to the south, to attack the PI. Maybe I can lure out the Grand Fleet.

Also, since I know the British will be sending submarines to see where the big convoy comes to, I am creating a force of five Q ships to patrol some of the ports.


As the British, I am deploying the British Fleet West of the Pescadores. This should put me into a good position to attack the convoys if when me subs spot it.

Turn 3, the only thing that happened is one of the Japanese ships spotted a sub.

I am not relying on subs heavily, as the leader bug replaces their CO every turn, and cannot fully test them until Mike Wood gets that fixed.

Turn 4 was a bad turn for the British.... Japanese B1Ms from Formosa located and attacked the Grand Fleet. While the bombers were beaten off by the Camels of Furious and Argus, the Japanese now know where the British fleet is. In addition, the Fleet sank a submarine trying to gather intel. The game is afoot!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/04/28

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Day Air attack on TF at 46,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 13

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 46,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 13

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged


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ASW attack at 46,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 27, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Vesper
DD Versatile
DD Verdun

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/04/28

FLT Goodwin N. of No. 402 Flight is credited with kill number 2




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 1:21:05 AM)

Japan Turn 5

Since the British have taken up position West of the Pescadores, I must assume that they know my convoy is headed to Taipei. I am sending all battleships sans 5 there, in an effort to guard it... My carriers will still raid the PI, in hopes of drawing them off.

British Turn 5

My submarines still have not detected the enemy fleet yet. I will keep my fleet where it is, and beef up Camels to knock down their B1Ms....

Turn Results(Japan): No combat, but now have spotted 2 enemy submarines. Am sending in some DDs to sink them.
Turn Results(Britain): One of my Subs has spotted a force of 5 ships heading west, NW of Formosa. They report only cruisers, so I'll send in my lighter dreadnoughts to sink them....

The Next turn was very exciting! Take a look:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/06/28

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ASW attack near Takao at 48,45

Japanese Ships
DD Tachibana
DD Sakura
DD Kagero
DD Tsuga
DD Kuri
DD Kaki

Allied Ships
SS M-1, hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack near Takao at 48,45

Japanese Ships
DD Kaki
DD Tachibana
DD Sakura
DD Kagero
DD Tsuga
DD Kuri

Allied Ships
SS M-3, hits 1, on fire

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ASW attack at 47,45

Japanese Ships
SS No. 15, hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Wallace
DD Spenser
DD Keppel
DD Shakespeare
BB Thunderer
BB Ajax

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Sub attack at 53,42

Japanese Ships
DD No.15
DD Minekaze
DD No.17
DD No.13
CL Kiso

Allied Ships
SS L-56

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ASW attack at 47,45

Japanese Ships
SS No. 15, hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SUNK

Allied Ships
DD Wallace
DD Spenser
DD Keppel

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ASW attack at 53,42

Japanese Ships
DD Minekaze
DD No.17
DD No.15
DD No.13
CL Oi

Allied Ships
SS L-56, hits 2, on fire SUNK

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Day Air attack on TF at 49,46

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Erin
BB Ajax, Bomb hits 1 250kg AP Bomb, in lieu of 17.7" Torp
BB King George V
BB Marlborough
BB Orion
BB Monarch

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 49,46

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Monarch
BB Agincourt, Bomb hits 1 250kg AP Bomb, in lieu of 17.7" Torp
BB Marlborough
BB Centurion

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/06/28

Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 49,46 , Speed 9 , Moving East
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 48,44 , Speed 29 , Moving Northeast
Kagoshima expands airfield to size 5




Andy Mac -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 1:41:49 AM)

Good o looking very good tankerace...

How do these old BB's with the unarmoured decks stand up to AP bombs ?

Andy




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 1:46:51 AM)

Amazingly, at least in Ajax case it didn't penetrate, but it did cause a chunk of sys damage. Not sure on Agincourt, I saw the explosion but not the damage it caused.

I know that in a test I did last night, Argus was blasted by about 20 sys damage by 2 bombs.

I think, like was stated, to sink a BB you must torpedo it... of course now the British TF has lost all surprise, and in a night engagement is clearly visable.




byron13 -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 2:08:46 AM)

Prediction: Having longer range will not help the Japanese that much.

It will be interesting to see how the game handles - or simulates - what should be two lines of battleships slugging it out. My guess is not very well.




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 2:22:52 AM)

I think it will handle it pretty well, but in a longer manner. I.e. I think it will take 2 or 3 WitP combats to equal 1 Jutland.

Well, how about I play a few more turns and we find out, eh?




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 2:44:48 AM)

Moves for 2/7/1928.

JAPAN

Thanks to my B1Ms, I have spotted a force of what my intel desribes as 10 CAs, but I saw BBs in them. I am ordering all fleets to Taipei, to cover my convoy which still has almost 40,000 supplies to unload.

BRITAIN

My Submarines has spotted a force of Cruisers at Tainan.... not sure if this is where the enemy convoy is, but I am dspatching the Scouting Wings (1 of BCs the other of CVs) to destroy them.

Turn Results:
The British Carrier force came under attack by Japanese B1Ms, which succeded in scoring a torpedo hit on the Furious. Furious and Argus launched Camels at the enemy "cruisers", but surprisingly the Cuckoos did not launch. I'll check that out.

During the night, a Jap sub attacked the HMNZS New Zealand, but scored no hits. In 2 actions the sub was duly sunk.

The Scouting wing (of 10 BCs) attacked the enemy "cruisers", which turned out to be a 6 ship DD TF. It was the best test I have seen. During the day, the range never closed to less than 16,000 yards, and the British didn't withdraw until all 6 DDs were sinking.
A few rounds wer fought at 24,000, then 1 at 23,000, then 2 more back at 24, then 1 each at 22 and 21, one or 2 at 20, then 1 at 18, and 3 at 16.

Let me tell you, as it was in WWI, British gunnery is horrible. Once the range came to 22k yards they did alright, but few hits were scored at 24,000.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/07/28

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Sub attack at 47,44

Japanese Ships
SS No. 14, hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
BC New Zealand
DD Rapid
DD Vampire
DD Valorous
BC Inflexible
BC Lion
BC Tiger
BC Repulse
BC Anson
CL Glorious
BC Renown
BC Hood

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ASW attack at 47,44

Japanese Ships
SS No. 14, hits 2, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Rapid

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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 7

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi 1MF4: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe: 2 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF, near Tainan at 48,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 5

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Tsuga

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tainan at 48,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 4

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed


Allied Ships
BC Indomitable
BC Anson

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 5
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
7 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tainan at 48,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 3

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Kaki

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 51,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
CL Calcutta, Bomb hits 1
BB King George V
BB Orion, Bomb hits 1
BB Marlborough
BB Emperess of India
BB Benbow
BB Erin

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 47,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 9
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 17

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 6 damaged


Allied Ships
CV Furious, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44

Japanese Ships
DD Kaki, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Kuri, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD Tsuga, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
DD Kagero, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Sakura, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Tachibana, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BC Hood, Shell hits 1
BC Anson, Shell hits 1
BC Repulse
BC Renown, Shell hits 1
BC Tiger
BC Lion, Shell hits 1
BC Australia
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 1
BC Indomitable
BC Inflexible
CL Courageous
CL Glorious
DD Valorous
DD Vampire
DD Rapid

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/07/28

Sighting report: 2 Allied ships at 48,44 , Speed 8 , Moving East
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 51,44 , Speed 7 , Moving Northeast
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 48,44 , Speed 3 , Moving Northeast
Hong Kong expands port to size 7




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 2:58:15 AM)

Moves for 2/8/1928

Japan

The enemy fleet moves nearer to Taipei. Somehow he must know that is where I am. I have ordered all dreadnoughts and BBs but a select few there, to destroy them. I am moving my BCs to Taichu, to provide backup incase it is needed.

Britain

Due to lack of Ammo, I am pulling my BCs back to Hong Kong to rearm. I am sending my carriers and 1 Division of dreadnoughts to try and intercept the last spotted position of the enemy carriers.

My unit of old battleships should be approaching the point where I think those cruisers are, Taichu....

(In case you don't know, I am trying to play each side like I dont know what is happening, to test features and to show the kinds of battles WPO can do.




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 3:20:15 AM)

Results:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/08/28

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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 3

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 8

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/08/28

Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 50,42 , Speed 8 , Moving West
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 10 Japanese ships at 49,47 , Speed 9 , Moving Northeast
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 48,45 , Speed 13 , Moving East
Melbourne expands airfield to size 1

Moves for 2/9/28

Japan

Enemy TF now appearing to move to Taichu. I eill despatch some old predreadnoughts to help out the Battlecruisers, as I still believe Taipei is the target.

Britain

My Older BB TF should reach Taichu tomorrow... dreadnoughts vs cruisers. Should be easy. My Carrier and BB TF are still trying to intercept the enemy CV TF, and my BC TF is enroute back to its original position near pescadores. My 3rd BB TF is moving to Tainan, where a sub reports a single ship TF. It may be a sub, or it may be a convoy...

Results:

Lots of air attacks on both sides. I found a bug in the Allied Carriers, that I'll have to restart to fix, but it will be fixed, don't get me wrong. Japanese CVs work perfectly though.

My Subs at Taichu have uncovered Japanese pre dreadnoughts. Not gonna be the cakewalk I thought, but still easy for my dreadnoughts. They arrived today, but did not make contact.

My BBs found the Japanese CVs, and in a confused night battle beat up some escorts, but didn't even tough a carrier.

My other BB TF attacked the force of 5 Q ships.... and sank 4 of them and beat the living Hell out of the fifth. Will Japan come out and play perhaps?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/09/28

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Sub attack near Taichu at 49,43

Japanese Ships
CL Hirado, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Tanikaze
DD Kawakaze
BB Hizen

Allied Ships
SS M-2

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Night Time Surface Combat at 49,47

Japanese Ships
CV Hosho
CV Shokaku
CV Hiryu
CL Tenryu, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Tatsuta
CL Kuma, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Tama, Shell hits 2
CL Kitakami
DD No. 33, Shell hits 1
DD No. 34
DD No.1, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD No.3, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD No.5
DD No.7
DD No.9
DD No.11, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CL Vindictive, Shell hits 4
BB Warspite, Shell hits 1
BB Valiant
BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 1
BB Malaya
BB Barham
BB Colossus, Shell hits 3
BB Hercules, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Neptune
BB St. Vincent, Shell hits 1
BB Collingwood, Shell hits 1
CL Effingham
DD Broke
DD Venetia
DD Verdun, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Versatile
DD Vesper

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ASW attack near Takao at 48,45

Japanese Ships
SS No. 10, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Vega
DD Vectis
DD Truculent

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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 7

Allied aircraft
de Havilland DH-9A x 22
Bristol F2b x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi 1MF4: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
de Havilland DH-9A: 21 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
3 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 9000 feet
2 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
1 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 50,47

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 5

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 50,47

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 14
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 8

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi 1MF4: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged
Mitsubishi B1M2: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged


Allied Ships
CV Argus

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 50,47

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 4
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 7

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 9 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Argus

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 6

Allied aircraft
de Havilland DH-9A x 6
Bristol F2b x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
de Havilland DH-9A: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 9000 feet
3 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 6

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi 1MF4: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Taichu at 49,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 8
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Marlborough

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 50,47

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 12
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 7

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Argus
CV Furious

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 1000 feet
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Sub attack near Taichu at 49,43

Japanese Ships
BB Hizen
DD Tanikaze
DD Kawakaze
CL Chikuma

Allied Ships
SS M-2

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Takao at 48,45

Japanese Ships
AK Q Ship-1, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
AK Q Ship-2, Shell hits 3, on fire
AK Q Ship-3, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
AK Q Ship-4, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
AK Q Ship-5, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 1
BB Revenge, Shell hits 1
BB Royal Sovereign
BB Ramilles, Shell hits 1
BB Resolution
BB Vanguard, Shell hits 1
BB Superb
BB Temeraire
BB Bellerophon
BB Dreadnought, Shell hits 2
CL Danae
CL Dauntless
DD Bruce
DD Truculent
DD Retreiver
DD Vectis
DD Vega

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/09/28

Sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 49,43 , Speed 7 , Moving Southwest
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Monarch at 49,43
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 50,47 , Speed 5 , Moving Northeast
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 48,45 , Speed 11 , Moving East
FO Wright U. of No. 401 Flight is credited with kill number 2
PO Trenchard M. of No. 402 Flight is credited with kill number 2
FO Wright U. of No. 401 Flight is credited with kill number 2
PO1 Shiga U. of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2
PO1 Shiga U. of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 3
PO1 Shiga U. of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4
PO1 Shiga U. of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4
FO Moorhead B. of No. 56 Sqdrn is credited with kill number 2
PO Fenton U. of No. 56 Sqdrn is credited with kill number 2
FO Moorhead B. of No. 56 Sqdrn is credited with kill number 2
CPO Muto W. of EI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2
Shimuzu expands airfield to size 2
Sendai expands airfield to size 2
Palau expands airfield to size 2




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 3:44:15 AM)

Moves for 2/10/1928.

Japan

Gah! In one of my WitP oopsies, my BCs are headed back to Japan... I am sending all Predreadnoughts to engage the enemy.... I will not sacrifice my dreadnoughts yet. Badly damaged, and short of planes, I am recalling my CVs..

I am also sending in more submarines to try and nab a British battleship.

Britain
I am pulling my carriers back to Hong Kong, and keeping one of my BB TFs back at Taichu, to try and destroy the Japanese BBs. I am also reinforcing with the R class BBs, fresh from the Q ship action.

Results:

My Dreadnoughts were all set to prey upon the smaller predreadnought TF, when out of nowhere (Taipei) another TF of OBBs appeared. Initially surprised, the short range allowed the 12" guns of the Japanese to quickly take Iron Duke, Benbow and Marlborough out of the action. However, once aroused, the Guns of the British pounded the Japanese.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/10/28

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taichu at 49,43

Japanese Ships
BB Aki
BB Satsuma, Shell hits 44, and is sunk
BB Kurama, Shell hits 1
BB Ibuki, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
BB Ikoma, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
BB Kashima, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Katori, Shell hits 25, on fire, heavy damage
BB Mikasa, Shell hits 7, on fire
CA Adzuma
CA Yakumo, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tone, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
CL Niitaka, Shell hits 25, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tsushima, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Amatsukaze, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Isokaze
DD Tokitsukaze, Shell hits 21, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Hamakaze

Allied Ships
BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Benbow, Shell hits 2
BB Marlborough, Shell hits 9, on fire
BB Emperess of India, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Erin, Shell hits 10, on fire
BB Agincourt, Shell hits 4
BB King George V, Shell hits 4, on fire
BB Ajax, Shell hits 7, on fire
BB Centurion, Shell hits 12
BB Orion, Shell hits 4
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 7
BB Conqueror
BB Monarch, Shell hits 3
CL Calcutta
CL Capetown, Shell hits 4
DD Shakespeare
DD Keppel, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Spenser, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD Wallace, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taichu at 49,43

Japanese Ships
BB Hizen
BB Iwami, Shell hits 2
BB Shikishima
BB Asahi
CL Hirado, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL Yahagi
CL Chikuma
CL Chitose
DD Kawakaze
DD Tanikaze

Allied Ships
BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Benbow
BB Marlborough, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Emperess of India, on fire
BB Erin, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Agincourt
BB King George V, on fire
BB Ajax, on fire
BB Centurion
BB Orion, Shell hits 1
BB Thunderer
BB Conqueror
BB Monarch
CL Calcutta
CL Capetown
DD Shakespeare
DD Keppel, on fire
DD Wallace, on fire, heavy damage

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 3

Allied aircraft
de Havilland DH-9A x 8
Bristol F2b x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
de Havilland DH-9A: 3 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
3 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 9000 feet
2 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 3

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 4

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 51,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Ramilles
BB Dreadnought
BB Royal Sovereign
BB Temeraire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 51,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
BB Centurion

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 46,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied Ships
BC Inflexible
BC Anson
BC Renown, Bomb hits 1
BC Lion, Bomb hits 1
BC Indomitable, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 3

Allied aircraft
de Havilland DH-9A x 2
Bristol F2b x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 9000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 46,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 16

Allied aircraft
Bristol F2b x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged


Allied Ships
BC Tiger, Bomb hits 1
BC Anson, Bomb hits 1
BC Inflexible
BC Australia

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 50,42

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 18
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Iron Duke, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 51,42

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
BB King George V, on fire
BB Marlborough, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack at 46,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 28, hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
BC Renown, Torpedo hits 1
DD Rapid
DD Vampire
DD Valorous
BC Inflexible
BC New Zealand
BC Tiger
BC Hood

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/10/28

Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 51,44 , Speed 0
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 51,43 , Speed 14 , Moving Southeast
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 3 Allied ships at 51,42 , Speed 8 , Moving East
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 3 Allied ships at 50,42 , Speed 4 , Moving Northeast
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Benbow at 51,43
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 3 Allied ships at 50,42 , Speed 10 , Moving East
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 51,42 , Speed 5 , Moving Northeast
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Iron Duke at 50,42
Canberra expands airfield to size 2
Brisbane expands port to size 7

That's all for now, gonna take a break.




Ron Saueracker -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 4:39:26 AM)

Interesting...looking forwardto more.

ASW is totally whacked though.[;)]




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 4:40:57 AM)

Yeah, so far my list of things to do is:

1) Fix British carriers
2) Dumb down ASW
3) Deluge Mike Wood with emails to fix leader bug.




Admiral DadMan -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 4:51:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 7

LOL, is Charlie Brown's "Snoopy" in the database as one of the pilots?




mlees -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 4:55:31 AM)

quote:

1) Fix British carriers


If you are allowed to say, what went wrong? You already know the fix?

[:D]
quote:

2) Dumb down ASW
[:D]

Haven't players been asking for that in the regular scenario's? How are you gonna approach that?




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 5:05:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Admiral DadMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 7

LOL, is Charlie Brown's "Snoopy" in the database as one of the pilots?


Don't tempt me..... [:D]


quote:

ORIGINAL: mlees

quote:

1) Fix British carriers


If you are allowed to say, what went wrong? You already know the fix?

[:D]
quote:

2) Dumb down ASW
[:D]

Haven't players been asking for that in the regular scenario's? How are you gonna approach that?



1) Carriers must be at the begging of the DB.... I stuck my British CVs in the middle. I moved the USN, but not the British.

2) I had dumbed down the ASW.... in fact, I made the DCs half their normal values. I'll reduce them further. Also, Mike Wood is supposed to be tweaking the ASW routines, so that WPO ships are assuemd to NOT have ASDIC.




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 5:36:52 AM)

Ok, lets see what other damage we can cause, shall we?




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 5:55:16 AM)

Moves for 2/11/28

Japan

Britain has got in a critical blow... while I have taken several of her dreadnoughts out of action, she has sunk 2 Pre dreadnoughts, and Armoured cruiser, and a Protected Cruiser. 2 Predreadnoughts and 2 more cruisers are endanger of foundering, and 2 more pre dreadnoughts are out of the fight for about 6 months. This leaves me with only the dreadnought fleet (Settsu, attached to the predreadnoughts, will be reassigned) and the Battle cruiser fleet. I am going to scrape up what battleships I can, protect this convoy, and then go on the offensive.

Britain

The battle last night... the Battle of Formosa, was not a complete success. 2 enemy battleships sunk, several damaged. However, the Iron Duke has a bad list, and is making a run for Shanghai to patch up. 5 other battleships, damaged to varying degrees, are making for Hong Kong.

The 2nd Battle Squadron, will return to Taichu, as a show of British strength. RADM Vian will show the enemy no quarter.

HMS Hercules, having sufferred a torpedo hit, is steaming to Hong Kong for temporary repairs, and will then rejoin the 1st Battle Squadron.

the Battlecruiser Squadron is remaining on station west of the Pescadores. the subs at Tainan are moving to Taipei, to look for targets.

Results. A pretty eventful turn, lots of air attacks and sub attacks. The British lost a sub at Taipei, but now know a large force is there. The convoy isn't at Tainan, it isnt at Pescadores, and it wasn't at Taichu. It must be in Taipei.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/11/28

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ASW attack at 46,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 28

Allied Ships
DD Versatile
DD Venetia
DD Broke
CL Effingham
CL Vindictive
BB Warspite

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ASW attack at 46,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 28, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Versatile
DD Venetia
DD Broke
CL Effingham
BB Barham

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 4

Allied aircraft
de Havilland DH-9A x 6
Bristol F2b x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
de Havilland DH-9A: 8 destroyed

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 4

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi 1MF4: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe: 2 destroyed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 46,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 14

Allied aircraft
Bristol F2b x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 5 damaged


Allied Ships
BB Malaya
BB Collingwood, Bomb hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 49,45

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt, Bomb hits 1
BB Centurion
BB Monarch
BB Erin

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 46,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Malaya
BB Queen Elizabeth

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 50,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 15
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
BB Marlborough

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 50,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Keppel

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ASW attack near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
DD No. 25
DD No. 23
DD No. 21
DD No. 19
DD No. 43
BB Hyuga
BB Tosa

Allied Ships
SS M-3, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sub attack at 46,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 28, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Neptune
DD Versatile
DD Venetia
DD Broke
BB St. Vincent
BB Colossus
BB Barham
BB Valiant

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/11/28

Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 3 Allied ships at 50,44 , Speed 8 , Moving West
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 51,42 , Speed 0
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 50,44 , Speed 2 , Moving West
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 49,45 , Speed 10 , Moving Southwest
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 49,45 , Speed 12 , Moving Southwest
Kawasaki KDA-2 has spotted Marlborough at 50,44
Kawasaki KDA-2 has spotted Emperess of India at 49,45
Mitsubishi B1M2 has spotted Keppel at 50,44
Kawasaki KDA-2 attacking M-3 at 50,43
Kawasaki KDA-2 has spotted Ajax at 50,44
Aichi AB2 Type 2 attacking M-3 at 50,43
Heinkel HD25 has spotted Ajax at 50,44
Tsitsihar expands airfield to size 2
Darwin expands airfield to size 1




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 6:04:56 AM)

Moves for 2/12/28.

Japan

A submarine was spotted at Taipei. He saw the battle line, but I don't know what else. I am committing all my dreads and BCs there. That is where he will strike.

Britain

I have found his dreadnoughts. He would not have sacrificed his predreadnoughts unless he was covering something important. I will commit all 3 remaining capital squadrons to Taipei. Let the Grand Fleet Carry the Day.

Results: Japanese planes made several attacks on unprotected British battleships, putting a torpedo into the HMS Valiant. Air recon has spotted large fleets on both sides. The great battle looms, unless the Japanese pull out their convoy.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/12/28

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Sub attack at 57,44

Japanese Ships
CL Kuma

Allied Ships
SS L-52

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 4

Allied aircraft
de Havilland DH-9A x 3
Bristol F2b x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
de Havilland DH-9A: 3 damaged
Bristol F2b: 2 destroyed

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 4

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 50,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 14
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 5 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Valiant, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Neptune

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 49,46

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 10

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged


Allied Ships
CV Argus
CV Furious, Bomb hits 1
CL Coventry

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 51,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
BB Centurion
BB Benbow
BB Conqueror

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 49,46

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 7

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged


Allied Ships
CV Furious
CV Argus

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/12/28

Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 5 Allied ships at 50,44 , Speed 8 , Moving Northeast
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 51,43 , Speed 7 , Moving Northeast
Heinkel HD25 has spotted Orion at 51,43
Kawasaki KDA-2 has spotted Valiant at 50,44
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 49,42 , Speed 12 , Moving West
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 49,46 , Speed 5 , Moving West
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 49,46 , Speed 8 , Moving Southwest
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 10 , Moving West
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 10 , Moving Southeast
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 49,43 , Speed 15 , Moving Southwest
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 49,43 , Speed 13 , Moving Southwest
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 3 , Moving West
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 9 , Moving West
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 49,43 , Speed 3 , Moving Northeast
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 2 Allied ships at 50,44 , Speed 8 , Moving Northeast
Kawasaki KDA-2 has spotted Erin at 51,43
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Barham at 50,44
Mitsubishi B1M2 has spotted Superb at 49,42
Mitsubishi B1M2 has spotted Orion at 51,43
Amami expands airfield to size 1
Palau expands port to size 3




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR (1/15/2005 6:15:16 AM)

Moves for 2/13/28

Japan

The enemy is coming.... [insert WPO designer here] If I were playing it to play it, Id pull out the convoy and run like hell. But, since the purpose of this AAR is to find bugs, and show you guys how it plays, I will force the Battle of Taipei[/insert WPO designer]
I will hold on, and protect the convoy to the last shell.

Britain

All forces are making haste, to join up for the attack.

Results:

Japanese planes continue to harass the Grand Fleet, scoring several bomb hits on the Vanguard... The British must fight this battle soon, or all of her battleships will be too damaged to fight.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/13/28

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 7

Allied aircraft
de Havilland DH-9A x 5
Bristol F2b x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi 1MF4: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
de Havilland DH-9A: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
1 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 7

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 51,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Vanguard, Bomb hits 3
BB Ramilles

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 49,46

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 10

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Argus, Bomb hits 1
CV Furious

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 51,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB St. Vincent

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Day Air attack on TF at 51,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Orion
BB Agincourt

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/13/28

Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 51,43 , Speed 9 , Moving Northeast
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 51,43 , Speed 3 , Moving Southeast
Aichi AB2 Type 2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 51,43 , Speed 9 , Moving Northeast
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 49,46 , Speed 0
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 49,45 , Speed 5 , Moving Northeast
Mitsubishi B1M2 has spotted Centurion at 51,43
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 8 , Moving West
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 6 , Moving Southeast
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 2 , Moving West
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 8 , Moving West
Kawasaki KDA-2 has spotted Erin at 51,43
Kawasaki KDA-2 has spotted Benbow at 51,43
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Erin at 51,43
Heinkel HD25 has spotted St. Vincent at 51,43
Mitsubishi B1M2 has spotted Collingwood at 51,43
Hong Kong expands port to size 8




Tankerace -> War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR: The Battle Comes! (1/15/2005 6:40:47 AM)

Moves for Valentines Day, 1928.

Japan

The enemy is blockading us. Rather than meet him, I will stay with the transports, let him harpoon himself on my CD guns, and attack!

Britain

England Expects Everyman To Do His Duty.

Results:

The English were cocky. The Battle for Formosa was a complete DISASTER.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/14/28

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Night Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BB Kaga
BB Nagato, Shell hits 2
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso, Shell hits 1
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 3
BB Settsu, Shell hits 2
CL Sendai, Shell hits 1
CL Naka
DD No. 43
DD No. 19
DD No. 21
DD No. 23
DD No. 25

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BB Revenge, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Ramilles, Shell hits 4
BB Resolution, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
BB Vanguard, Shell hits 13, on fire
BB Superb, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Temeraire, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Bellerophon, Shell hits 5
BB Dreadnought, Shell hits 5
CL Danae, Shell hits 5
CL Dauntless
DD Bruce
DD Truculent, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Retreiver, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Vectis
DD Vega, Shell hits 1

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BB Kaga
BB Nagato, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Ise
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 1
BB Settsu, Shell hits 2
CL Sendai
CL Naka
DD No. 43
DD No. 19
DD No. 21
DD No. 23
DD No. 25

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Revenge, Shell hits 16, on fire, heavy damage
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
BB Ramilles, Shell hits 6, on fire
BB Resolution, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
BB Vanguard, Shell hits 16, on fire, heavy damage
BB Superb, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Temeraire, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
BB Bellerophon, Shell hits 13, on fire
BB Dreadnought, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae
CL Dauntless, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Bruce, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Truculent, on fire, heavy damage
DD Retreiver, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vectis, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vega

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa, Shell hits 1
BB Kaga
BB Nagato, on fire
BB Mutsu, on fire
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 1
BB Settsu
CL Sendai
CL Naka, Shell hits 1
DD No. 43
DD No. 19, Shell hits 1
DD No. 21
DD No. 23
DD No. 25

Allied Ships
CL Vindictive
BB Warspite, Shell hits 2
BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Malaya
BB Barham, Shell hits 7, on fire
BB Colossus
BB Neptune
BB St. Vincent, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
BB Collingwood, Shell hits 1
CL Effingham, Shell hits 1
DD Broke
DD Venetia, Shell hits 3, on fire

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Fairey IIIF: 8 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BC Amagi, Shell hits 1
BC Akagi
BC Atago
BC Takao
BC Kongo
BC Hiei, Shell hits 1, on fire
BC Krishima, Shell hits 1, on fire
BC Haruna
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 1
CL Kako
DD No. 27
DD No. 29
DD No. 30
DD No. 31
DD No. 32

Allied Ships
CL Vindictive, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
BB Warspite, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
BB Malaya, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
BB Barham, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
BB Colossus, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
BB Neptune, Shell hits 8, on fire
BB Collingwood, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Effingham, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Broke, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
DD Venetia, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BC Amagi
BC Akagi
BC Atago, Shell hits 8
BC Takao, Shell hits 4
BC Kongo, Shell hits 2
BC Hiei, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BC Krishima, on fire
BC Haruna
CL Jintsu
CL Kako
DD No. 27, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD No. 29
DD No. 30
DD No. 31
DD No. 32

Allied Ships
BB Benbow, Shell hits 36, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Erin, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
BB Agincourt, Shell hits 26, and is sunk
BB Centurion, Shell hits 34, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Orion, Shell hits 45, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Conqueror, Shell hits 2
BB Monarch, Shell hits 27, on fire, heavy damage
CL Calcutta, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Capetown, Shell hits 18, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BC Amagi
BC Akagi
BC Atago, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
BC Takao, Shell hits 7
BC Kongo
BC Hiei, on fire, heavy damage
BC Krishima, on fire
BC Haruna
CL Jintsu
CL Kako
DD No. 27, on fire, heavy damage
DD No. 29
DD No. 30
DD No. 31
DD No. 32

Allied Ships
BB Erin, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
BB Centurion, Shell hits 25, on fire, heavy damage
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 37, on fire, heavy damage
BB Conqueror, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Monarch, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
CL Calcutta, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
CA Kasuga
CA Nisshin
CL Oi
CL Kiso, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD No.13
DD No.15
DD No.17
DD Minekaze

Allied Ships
BB Malaya, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
BB Barham, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Neptune, on fire
BB Collingwood, on fire, heavy damage
CL Effingham, and is sunk
DD Venetia, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
CA Kasuga
CA Nisshin, Shell hits 2
CL Oi
CL Kiso, on fire
DD No.13
DD No.15
DD No.17
DD Minekaze

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, on fire, heavy damage
BB Revenge, on fire, heavy damage
BB Royal Sovereign, on fire, heavy damage
BB Ramilles, on fire
BB Vanguard, and is sunk
BB Superb, and is sunk
BB Temeraire, and is sunk
BB Bellerophon, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Dreadnought, and is sunk
CL Danae, Shell hits 2
CL Dauntless, and is sunk
DD Bruce, and is sunk
DD Truculent, on fire, heavy damage
DD Retreiver, and is sunk
DD Vectis, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vega

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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 5

Allied aircraft
Sopwith Cuckoo x 5
de Havilland DH-9A x 2
Bristol F2b x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi 1MF4: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith Cuckoo: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
de Havilland DH-9A: 2 destroyed
Bristol F2b: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x de Havilland DH-9A bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 50,44

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Royal Sovereign, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 4

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF at 51,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi B1M2 x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M2: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BC Anson

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Mitsubishi B1M2 bombing at 5000 feet

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/14/28

Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 5 Allied ships at 50,44 , Speed 5 , Moving Southwest
Mitsubishi B1M2 sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 51,43 , Speed 10 , Moving Northeast
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 50,44 , Speed 7 , Moving Southwest
Mitsubishi B1M2 sighting report: 2 Allied ships at 49,45 , Speed 7 , Moving Southwest
Takao expands port to size 4
Clark Field expands airfield to size 5

End results of the main battles of the night:

Atago and Hiei will sink enroute for repairs, Krishima and Mutsu will be under repair for a year, and several other BBs and cruisers will need repair.

After the battle, Centurion, Thunderer, and Conquerer foundered. Barham, Collingwood, and Royal Oak will sink enroute home, Royal Soverign may never return to service, Ramilles, Bellerophon, and Neptune should survive, but will be under repair for a year. Of the 34 British battleships that started the scenario, only Hercules (relatively undamaged) Ajax, Marlborough, King George V, Empress of India, Iron Duke, Ramilles, Bellerophon, Neptuneand Agamemnon survive. Of those, only Hercules and Agamemnon are fit for battle.

Though I think I need to tweak the game a bit (a 12" British shell couldn't penetrate Settsu at 8,000 yards), does anyone else think WitP can't produce a Jutland? 24 Battleships sunk in one night. That is far worse than Jutland ever was, both sides combined.

The Scenario is over, a clear cut win for Japan.

Both sides started with about 5100 VPs, but Japan has 9185, Britain 6090. Britains naval force is limited to 2 Dreadnoughts, 1 OBB, 2 CVs, and 10 BCs. Japan has 9 Dreads (1 of which is OC), 8 BCs, and a fair number of OBBs.




Tankerace -> War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR Lessons (1/15/2005 7:04:46 AM)

Lessons learned from the test AAR about War Plan Orange:

1) Its fun ( I had a blast).
2) Aircraft are no where near WW2 standards, nor what Billy Mitchell predicted. However, they can harass a battle line, and give the enemy advance warning. Also, after the battle they may finish off crippled ships.
3) British gunnery is horrible
4) British night Fighting is horrible
5) Numbers 3 and 4 don't mix
6) Japanese OBBs are especially vulnerable, moreso than their Allied counterparts
7) Japan has superb nightfighting ability (will be dumbed down). Use it against a superior enemy
8) Superiority counts for beans. I went in to the "Battle of Formosa" looking for a British Win, and the limeys got stomped.
9) Submarines are invaluable. Even if a torpedo never hits, there scouting is worth the boats weight in gold
10) Flak is particularly deadly to low flying bombers.
11) Bombing Accuracy improves over time, however it is nowhere near WitP, and Op losses are very high.
12) Torpedo Bombers can only carry fish out to 60 miles. So, to avoid this problem, always sail 2 hexes off the coast of an island.
13) Scouting planes, while common in the late 1920s, are a luxury early on. Protect their ships at all costs.




mlees -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR Lessons (1/15/2005 9:43:14 AM)

Some details of the map setup, if you don't mind.

The players will be slashing at each others battle lines for two game years or more, right?

My biggest speedbump with the British forces in the Far East in the standard game is lack of adequate repair facilities. You have to go to the US west coast for major repairs to the large ships. Japan is more centerally located, and has better interior LOC. A crippled Repulse or brit flattop has to sail around the map edge to get to the US, so the distance is multiplied somewhat. (Boo Hoo, I Know. Call 1-800-cry-baby.) Are there nonhistorical repair facilities for the Alliance ships in the Far East to speed up repairs a little?

After all, there will be a lot more (slower) Capital ships operating in the China Sea (on the Allied side) than are usually found in the standard game.

I saw lots of air attacks (even if they were ineffective, mostly) in your AAR. Were there that many airfields available in reality? Also, are there heaps of engineers to build up these facilities, or did you trim their numbers somewhat, compared to the standard game?

I saw no minefields mentioned. Were mines of the day just as potent as they can be in the standard game? Do the players get to "rebuild" AK's into auxiliary ships (like MLE's)?


Thanks!!




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR Lessons (1/15/2005 9:53:54 AM)

First off, this AAR was of a small, 2 month max scenario. In the Big tomale, the majority of the British fleet arrives on the US west Coast via the Panama Canal. It is quicker than going around the world, plus they can take advantage of supply lines.

None of mainland CHina is occupied (at the beginning anyway). So, if your ship gets creamed off Formosa, make a run for HK, the PI, or China.

This PBEM scenario occurs in 1928. I am assuming, for game purposes, that the Japanese have built up Airfields in Pescadores, Tainan, and Taipei. In the grand campaigns (the 2+ years) Air fields will consist only of those in Japan, India and Ceylon, a small one at PH, and the US West Coast. In the full thing, you will need engineers to build up airfields.

As to mines, those are tricky. In this AAR I hit no mines, but in a previous test I hit some. I don't think Formosa is mined. That was a carry over from the grand campaign. I'll fix that, along with some other bugs.

For Gameplay purposes, the Best Brit repair yards are:

Karachi, Ceylon, Hong Kong. Each is big enough to repair damaged ships, but not several damaged, or heavily damaged. However, aside from older dreadnoughts that arrive throughout the game, the majority of the British Fleet arrives of the West Coast. So, like the Americans, if damaged off the PI, you are gonna have to limp to China, HK, PI, or Australia. Such were the logistics of the day.

Players get to rebuild ships, however as stated previous, MLEs and AVs did not exist in the 1920s. These 2 options, on both sides, convert AKs into ASW Q ships.

This scenario lasted 14 days (originally what I had envisioned). However, in its final form, 2 humans should be able to tretch it out at least a month.

This scenario was not finished per se when I ran it, but finished enough to gauge things and test. I'll put the finishing touches on it (and with luck the others) this weekend, and can hopefully do more AARs in a few days.




mlees -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR Lessons (1/15/2005 9:58:54 AM)

OK, thanks! Sorry if I asked questions that were answered over and over. My memory is getting more spotty as I sprout grey hairs...




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR Lessons (1/15/2005 9:59:51 AM)

Hey, no worries my friend. I can understand your questions, and its ok.

One other note....

the British withdrawl still exists. So theres one way to offload a battered hulk [:D]




Tankerace -> RE: War Plan Orange: Pacific Jutland Test AAR Lessons (1/15/2005 9:07:18 PM)

Also some lessons I noted, while I didn't mean to, I created very unbalanced TFs for Britain.

TF1001: 5 QE's with 15" guns, 2 Colossus, 1 Neptune, 2 St. Vincents all with 12"guns

TF1002: 5 R class with 15" guns, 3 Bellerophons, 1 St. VIncent, 1 Dreadnought with 12" guns

TF1003: 4 Iron Dukes, 3 KGVs, Erin, and 4 Orions with 13.5" Guns, and Agincourt with 12" guns.

WHat I should have done is give each TF a mix of 15, 13.5, and 12 " guns. TFs 1001 and 1002, once they got into battle, were effectively 5 BBs until 16,000 yards or so, and would get pummeled. TF1003 wouldn't even be able to fire until 22,000, well in range of Japanese 16.1" guns.

I think what I should have done is this

TF1001 3 QEs (rebuilt), 4 Orions,1 King George V, 3 St. VIncents

TF1002 3 Rs, 2 Iron Dukes,2 King George V, Agincourt, 3 Bellerophons

TF1004 2 Rs, 2 QEs, Erin, 2 Iron Dukes, 2 Colossus, 1 Neptune, Dreadnought

That creates 3 TFs of 11 BBs, instead of 2 of 10 and 1 of 14. It also means a good distribution of firepower:

TF1001 3 15", 5 13.5", 3 12"
TF1002 3 15", 4 13.5", 4 12"
TF1003 4 15", 3 13.5", 4 12"

Now each side can return fire, and the 12" dreadnoughts are spread out so as to not be a liability or a hindrance. If I had done this, I might have gotten better results yesterday.




Tankerace -> WPO Test AAR, different outcome. (1/16/2005 4:04:24 AM)

To test something else, I am rearrangeing my battle groups, and am going to pull my British ships out. Then, instead of a night battle on the 14th, I'll try for a day one on the 15th.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/14/28

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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 5

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 5

Allied aircraft
Sopwith Cuckoo x 5
Bristol F2b x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith Cuckoo: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 5000 feet

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/14/28

Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 53,42 , Speed 4 , Moving Northeast
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 53,42 , Speed 21 , Moving Northeast
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 53,42 , Speed 13 , Moving Northeast
Heinkel HD25 sighting report: 7 Allied ships at 52,45 , Speed 10 , Moving East
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 52,44 , Speed 8 , Moving East
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 52,44 , Speed 11 , Moving East
Changchun expands airfield to size 2
Takao expands port to size 4
Clark Field expands airfield to size 5

Hrm.... Im starting to think either 1) I have rated British ships too low, or that WitP's code is heavily biased in favor of Japan. The 3 British TFs attacked 2 Japanese, in broad daylight. 1st Round, Allied force is surprised. 2nd Round (with burning Japanese ships) Allied Force is surprised.... In fact, only the round against the convoy and 1 other did the Allies NOT get surprised.... I'll have a look, and either dumb down the Japanese or up the Brits.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/15/28

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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 7

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 7F1 Snipe x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Pescadores , at 47,43

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF4 x 3

Allied aircraft
Sopwith Cuckoo x 3
Bristol F2b x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi 1MF4: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith Cuckoo: 2 destroyed

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa, Shell hits 3
BB Kaga, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Nagato, Shell hits 6
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 5
BB Ise, Shell hits 1
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso, Shell hits 2
BB Yamashiro
BB Settsu, Shell hits 10
CL Sendai, Shell hits 4
CL Naka, Shell hits 1
DD No. 43
DD No. 19, Shell hits 4
DD No. 21, Shell hits 1
DD No. 23, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD No. 25

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Revenge, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
BB Ramilles, Shell hits 11, on fire
BB Vanguard, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Superb, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
BB Temeraire, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
BB Bellerophon, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage
BB Dreadnought, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CL Dauntless, Shell hits 10
DD Bruce, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Truculent, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Retreiver, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Vectis, Shell hits 3
DD Vega, Shell hits 2, on fire

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BB Kaga, on fire
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu
BB Ise, Shell hits 5
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
BB Settsu, Shell hits 1
CL Sendai, Shell hits 1
CL Naka, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD No. 43
DD No. 19
DD No. 21
DD No. 23, on fire
DD No. 25

Allied Ships
BC Hood, Shell hits 1, on fire
BC Anson, Shell hits 4, on fire
BC Repulse, Shell hits 5, on fire
BC Renown, Shell hits 2, on fire
BC Tiger, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BC Lion, Shell hits 8
BC Australia, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 4
BC Inflexible, Shell hits 3
CL Courageous, Shell hits 4
CL Glorious, Shell hits 1
DD Valorous, Shell hits 1
DD Vampire
DD Rapid, Shell hits 1

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BC Amagi, Shell hits 1
BC Akagi, Shell hits 3, on fire
BC Atago
BC Takao
BC Kongo
BC Hiei
BC Krishima, Shell hits 1
BC Haruna, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 1
CL Kako, Shell hits 1
DD No. 27, Shell hits 2
DD No. 29, Shell hits 1
DD No. 30
DD No. 31, Shell hits 1
DD No. 32

Allied Ships
BC Hood, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
BC Anson, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BC Repulse, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BC Renown, Shell hits 22, and is sunk
BC Tiger, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage
BC Lion, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
BC Australia, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BC Inflexible, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
CL Courageous, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Glorious, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Valorous, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Vampire, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Rapid, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BC Amagi
BC Akagi, on fire, heavy damage
BC Atago
BC Takao, Shell hits 2
BC Kongo, Shell hits 1
BC Hiei
BC Krishima
BC Haruna, on fire, heavy damage
CL Jintsu
CL Kako
DD No. 27
DD No. 29
DD No. 30
DD No. 31
DD No. 32

Allied Ships
CL Vindictive, Shell hits 4, on fire
BB Warspite, Shell hits 1
BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 10
BB Erin, Shell hits 9, on fire
BB Agincourt, Shell hits 10
BB Colossus, Shell hits 2
BB Neptune, Shell hits 8
BB St. Vincent, Shell hits 3
BB Collingwood, Shell hits 2
CL Effingham, Shell hits 3
DD Broke
DD Venetia

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BC Amagi
BC Akagi, on fire, heavy damage
BC Atago
BC Takao
BC Kongo
BC Hiei
BC Krishima
BC Haruna, on fire, heavy damage
CL Jintsu
CL Kako
DD No. 27
DD No. 29
DD No. 30
DD No. 31
DD No. 32

Allied Ships
CL Vindictive, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Warspite
BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 1
BB Erin, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Agincourt, Shell hits 2
BB Colossus, Shell hits 2
BB Neptune, Shell hits 1
BB St. Vincent, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Collingwood
CL Effingham
DD Broke
DD Venetia

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BC Amagi
BC Akagi, on fire, heavy damage
BC Atago, Shell hits 1
BC Takao
BC Kongo
BC Hiei
BC Krishima
BC Haruna, on fire, heavy damage
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Kako, Shell hits 1
DD No. 27
DD No. 29
DD No. 30
DD No. 31
DD No. 32

Allied Ships
BB Malaya, Shell hits 2
BB Barham, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Resolution, Shell hits 1
BB Benbow
BB Centurion
BB Orion
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 1
BB Conqueror
BB Monarch, Shell hits 1
CL Calcutta
CL Capetown, Shell hits 1

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
BC Amagi, Shell hits 1
BC Akagi, on fire, heavy damage
BC Atago, Shell hits 1
BC Takao
BC Kongo
BC Hiei, Shell hits 1
BC Krishima
BC Haruna, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Kako
DD No. 27
DD No. 29
DD No. 30
DD No. 31
DD No. 32

Allied Ships
BB Malaya, Shell hits 1
BB Barham, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Resolution, Shell hits 2
BB Benbow, Shell hits 1
BB Centurion, Shell hits 1
BB Orion, Shell hits 1
BB Thunderer, Shell hits 1
BB Conqueror
BB Monarch
CL Calcutta
CL Capetown

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Taipei at 50,43

Japanese Ships
DD Urukaze, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
AP Aikoku Maru, Shell hits 2
AK Bizen Maru
AP Hokoku Maru, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
AP Hokusho Maru
AP Hukuyo Maru, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AK Holland Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
AP Josho Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
AK Jokuja Maru, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kaisho Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AP Karimo Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
AP Keisyo Maru, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Kinjosan Maru
AP Kiyoshima Maru
AK Kongo Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AP Koshu Maru #3
AP Kureha Maru #3, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AP Kurohime Maru
AP Taganoura Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
AK Tihuku Maru, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AK Utide Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Malaya
BB Barham, on fire
BB Resolution, Shell hits 1
BB Benbow
BB Centurion
BB Orion
BB Thunderer
BB Conqueror
BB Monarch, Shell hits 2
CL Calcutta
CL Capetown

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 02/15/28

Sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 50,43 , Speed 12 , Moving West
Sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 50,43 , Speed 10 , Moving West
Sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 50,43 , Speed 22 , Moving West
Sighting report: 6 Allied ships at 50,43 , Speed 12 , Moving Northwest
Kawasaki KDA-2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 49,46 , Speed 0
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Vanguard at 50,43
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Renown at 50,43
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Thunderer at 50,43
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 4 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 13 , Moving Northwest
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 11 , Moving West
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 5 Japanese ships at 49,43 , Speed 8 , Moving Southwest
Fairey IIIF sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 50,43 , Speed 5 , Moving West
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Superb at 50,43
Heinkel HD25 has spotted Royal Sovereign at 50,43
Aichi AB2 Type 2 has spotted Royal Sovereign at 50,43
Mitsubishi B1M2 has spotted Warspite at 50,43
Homan expands airfield to size 2
Perth expands airfield to size 1




Kobe for Prez -> RE: WPO Test AAR, different outcome. (1/28/2005 6:05:04 PM)

Looks great. Can't wait to get my hands on this little gem.




Ron Saueracker -> RE: WPO Test AAR, different outcome. (2/1/2005 10:34:29 AM)

Yeah, the RN was never that outclassed. Japan needs some tweeking for sure.




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