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rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:26:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

MacArthur is a fun target

Edit: Crap..I spelled "aide" wrong

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Jeez - is that Gomer Pyle standing behind MacArthur?



rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:41:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pasternakski

It goes back much further than that. In the Middle Ages, when animal fat was rendered down for various products, there was a useless residue. It was referred to as "crappa."



Latin crappa = residue (or something like it). Hell, the Romans probably stole that from the Etruscans or someone...



rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:54:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, My favorite Zappa. I drank beer with him one night in Ann Arbor. I was home on leave. He was a pretty sharp fellow. I think he would have liked computer wargames. He knew a lot of history.


"Billy the Mountain"

One, two, three . . .



OK - What album did this come from?

BTW- you DO realize that you are responsible for the sudden outbreak of hilarity on this forum by your "Opening sequence/Leader Bug/2LT Fukawi post?![:-][&o] Well, combined with Pasternaski followup, anyway...[:D]



Tankerace -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:58:39 AM)

Actually, Pasternaski started the 2nd Lt. Fukawi thing, then Mogami stole the pic and added his own blurb too it. Then it all broke out.



rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 6:04:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Actually, Pasternaski started the 2nd Lt. Fukawi thing, then Mogami stole the pic and added his own blurb too it. Then it all broke out.


Awkk! I stand corrected. I was relying on the "last message read in the post" arrow - and somehow i never saw the original Pasternaski post. No wonder he said something about not coming over to his place and doing something unmentionable to his adult beverage...

But i still do want to know what album "Billy the Mountain" was from!



mogami -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 6:13:21 AM)

Hi, Billy the Mountain is from 1972 "Just another Band from LA" Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention.



rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 6:15:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Billy the Mountain is from 1972 "Just another Band from LA" Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention.


Thanks! At one point in the 1970's i started to try to collect Zappa records, but got overwhelmed with the numbers combined with my 1970's extremely limited budget.



Nikademus -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 6:24:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pasternakski


I am not by nature a dissatisfied customer, but when hard information becomes difficult to get, I tend to wander off. I don't understand how these formulae and calculations can exist in the code by accident and nobody knows how they work. The most troubling part is that it appears the designers don't even know how they work.



No....not you! [:'(]

I dont have any solid info on ship or air commanders Patz.....but i can tell you that leaders definately affect LCU's.

example:

if you have a very strong (500+ assault) Japanese INF div with a good leader (the key factors for land are Overall rating (of course), Administration, Land combat, aggressiveness and inspiration) and he faced and equal leader with a strong RCT infantry regiment in clear terrain, unfortified. (leaders both at 70), on average the Japanese will achieve 5-7:1 odds

Replace the Patton wannabe with an armchair general of poor skill. say "20" in the catagories mentioned, and the same battle with the same exact troops and terrain conditions becomes 5-6 times more effective for the attacker with the good leader (70). (average modified odds become 31 to 39:1 on a consistant basis

Obviously this is an extreme case but it does prove that leaders impact the combat calculations.



Cap Mandrake -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:27:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DeepSix

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You know she is kind cute. That is Gypsy Rose right?



rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:30:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


You know she is kind cute. That is Gypsy Rose right?


I think Gypsy Rose was a stripper. Methinks this one is Tokyo Rose.

Actually, there were several dozen "Tokyo Rose's", iirc, but only one of them was an American citizen who was tried after the war.



tsimmonds -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:37:44 PM)

Time to set the record straight. This is Tokyo Rose: (although it isn't really; follow this link), and this.....

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tsimmonds -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:38:59 PM)

....is Gypsy Rose Lee.[X(]

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Frag: do I have to take her out? Her picture I mean. After all, she is wearing several garments.[;)]



Cap Mandrake -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:44:20 PM)

Irrelevant;

I was joking...but very nice pic of the real Gypsey Rose[8D]



Hortlund -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:45:06 PM)

Well, its good to see that the matrix guys are laughing at their own inability to fix the leader bug after 5 patches. It sure reinforces the feeling I had that they are on top of things.



tsimmonds -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 5:53:53 PM)

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I was joking...


I figured so, but hey, why take a chance? Besides I thought everyone would be interested. In the article about Tokyo Rose I mean.[:-]



rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 6:15:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

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I was joking...


I figured so, but hey, why take a chance? Besides I thought everyone would be interested. In the article about Tokyo Rose I mean.[:-]


Yeah, the article. Sure...[8|]



DeepSix -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/10/2005 11:46:21 PM)

She is the UCLA "Tokyo Rose" - it's true that Tokyo Rose was not her real name, but I don't think that was ever very important to her listeners. I think everybody knew that was just a handle to begin with. I mean she could have been Tokyo Betty, or Nell, or Kate, or Val, but those names were already taken.... [;)] Like Axis Sally and Lord Haw Haw (any others?), she just broadcast music and propaganda to whomever was in range. Whether there was 1 Tokyo Rose, or 8, or 10, I doubt if it mattered much. GIs enjoyed the music and sometimes the propaganda was hilarious; sometimes it was spooky.



mogami -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 4:55:11 AM)

Hi, One more

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pasternakski -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 6:33:19 AM)

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Cap Mandrake -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 7:15:40 PM)

I never understood what Natasha saw in Boris. Bullwinkle's loyalty to Rocky I can buy...given the evident discrepancy in intelligence, but Natasha's character develoment was lacking. She seemed almost cartoonish. Was he a father figure to her? Was he good in bed? A fun party guy? Somehow it didn't seem have credibility.


BTW..wasn't the "B" turret on the Bismarck called "Boris"?



Mr.Frag -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 7:21:57 PM)

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I never understood what Natasha saw in Boris.


Thats because they were "lifted" from the Adams family ... tough when you steal characters to give them background.



mogami -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 7:33:38 PM)

Hi, Bullwinkle and Rocky began in 1959. (before that they had other names in cartoon called "Frostbite Falls Review"
Adams Family first aired in 1964.



tsimmonds -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 7:40:28 PM)

What do Rocket J. Squirrel and Natasha Fatale have in common?

edit: uh-oh, must be time for the patch, I think we're getting bored again.....



rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 7:50:38 PM)

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She seemed almost cartoonish.


Holy cow! They seemed cartoonish to you? Hard to believe!![X(][:'(]

As for them being stolen from Addam's family - dunno about this. However, Charles Addams began drawing the cartoon earlier than R+B. According to his bio web site: "1937 was the first year that an "Addams Family" cartoon appeared." So i guess it is possible.

We are sinking really low when we start speculating on the sex lives of cartoon characters.

So do you think it was Boris' mustache?[:D]



rtrapasso -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 7:51:54 PM)

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BTW..wasn't the "B" turret on the Bismarck called "Boris"?


Thought it was "Bruno"...



FirstPappy -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 8:05:11 PM)

I guess you're not old enough to remember that the "Addams Family" started as a newspaper cartoon all the way back before WWII.



mogami -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 8:12:54 PM)

Hi, Nope I never saw that. Well ok then. I know Fred Flintstone was copied after Ralph Cramdon from Honey Mooners. (well all the charactors in Flintsones were from Jackies show)



tsimmonds -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 8:13:41 PM)

This is from a Rocky and Bullwinkle fan site:

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Boris and Natasha's character designs (short guy, tall lady, dark features, pale skin) were based off the original Addams Family comic strip versions of Gomez and Morticia, created by Charles Addams.



mogami -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 8:16:18 PM)

Hi, OK so Frag was right. Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while[X(]



tsimmonds -> RE: Leader bug and possible sacrilege??? (2/11/2005 8:23:08 PM)

It surprised me too, I was going to make the same point you did about the dates of the TV shows, but I got distracted by something, oh, I remember now, it was work.[;)]



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