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ORIGINAL: SpitfireIX

Hello, all--

This happened to me in Scenario 15, latest version (1.4). Theoretically it belongs in bug reports, but it is so serious I thought I'd mention it here, and see if anyone else has had anything similar happen. And I don't have a repeatable save, as I was playing the AI and didn't realize what had really happened until I peeked at the Japanese forces later.

In brief: I was preparing to invade Munda with the First and Second Marine Divisions, the Fourth Marine Regiment, and a few supporting battalions. I had conducted extensive recon and bombing for the previous month, and also had a sub snooping around. Intel indicated about 10,000 Japanese troops, so I figured I had plenty of force to do the job.

Anyway, when the bombardment force arrived, it was like that scene in the cartoon where Daffy Duck gets blasted by an array of shotguns pointing in from all four edges of the frame. Expecting little opposition, I had ordered the escorts to bombard. The force sustained several _hundred_ shell hits; four DDs immediately sank. Many other ships were damaged. Then the transports arrived, and suffered a similar hail of shells. By the end of the day, most of the infantry had disembarked--I felt I had to leave the transports to unload, and I also threw in the second wave, which had additional supplies. The troops were sufficiently disrupted that they were unable to dislodge the Japanese division that was entrenched to level 9; eventually I had to cancel the attack. I sent in a second bombardment force to try to reduce the murderous fire on the transports; although I of course ordered the escorts to stand off, Salt Lake City was sunk and Pensacola seriously damaged (memo to self: have Pensacola class stick to escorting CVs in the future). Eventually the defensive fire slacked and I was able to land additional troops and take the island.

Following is a list of ships I lost--this does not count cripples that were knocked off by air and subs. All the ones sunk by 5.5" shell were direct casualties. To be continued...

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ORIGINAL: ADavidB

HUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

245 CD guns????????????????????

WTF?????????????????????

Is there really a Japanese base force with that number of guns, or is this something really, really goofy with the unlimited build of base forces by the AI?

Frag, Pry? Any ideas what is going on?

Dave Baranyi

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ORIGINAL: Halsey

The air recon is almost worhless. It will help the DL levels at the target hex. If intel shows 10,000 men, it it probably closer to 30-40,000 men.

Don't ever use your escorts in the first 3-4 days of bombardments. They always get smoked. Looks like you needed some BB's to help take these guys down.

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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

Betcha a 6-pack this only shows up in games vs the AI; it's trying to expand to fill out the aviation support per the cheatin' AI rules, but something is pointing at the wrong slot. Or something. Well, if you have had enough to drink it makes sense anyway.

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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

Betcha a 6-pack this only shows up in games vs the AI; it's trying to expand to fill out the aviation support per the cheatin' AI rules, but something is pointing at the wrong slot. Or something. Well, if you have had enough to drink it makes sense anyway.

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ORIGINAL: ADavidB

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ORIGINAL: irrelevant

Betcha a 6-pack this only shows up in games vs the AI; it's trying to expand to fill out the aviation support per the cheatin' AI rules, but something is pointing at the wrong slot. Or something. Well, if you have had enough to drink it makes sense anyway.

If this shows up in PBEM too than I am only playing the Japanese side from now on...[:D]

(Visualizing three or four of these 245 gun BFs on an atoll...[X(])

Dave Baranyi

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ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

Spitfire I am sympathetic you got screwed by some messed up aspect of the game engine.

But when I read 245 costal guns I got the best laugh of the week, my God no wonder you got hosed.

I doubt that Japan had 245 4.7" costal guns in the entire Pacific. And I find the fact that they fire 5.5" shells even more interesting.

You just convinced me to delay my counter offensives until I can pound the daylights out of the Japanese for months before going ashore.

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ORIGINAL: SpitfireIX

After this fiasco, I decided, for a variety of reasons, to abandon the game, so I re-loaded with the Japanese as the human player, and decided to take a look and see exactly what the Japanese had that had shredded my landing force. So I checked Munda, and found only three units, including a fragment of a base force hiding in the jungle from the US Marines and Army. It didn't look too impressive, so I clicked on TOE, and discovered the following. In the immortal words of Charlie Brown, "AAAAAAAAAAAGH!" I have a current save, but I have no idea when this happened, so I don't have a repeatable save. Maybe next game I'll save every turn just in case. BTW, note that these guns are not the same ones that wreaked havoc on the landing force--not sure if that's because they "upgraded," or if their equipment got changed randomly again. Also, these are supposed to be 245 support squads. Has anyone else had anything like this happen?

--Doug

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