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CapAndGown -> Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 5:49:59 AM)

Playing against the AI, I am finding that after about 2 turns the speed of the combat resolution and the response to my scrolling and mouse clicks becomes unbearably slow. My machine has a 1.3 GH celeron and 384 MB RAM, yet it is slow as a dog by about the 3 turn. I have to shut down the program and restart. Is this normal???

I guess the only way to go is PBEM. Then you end up restarting after every turn. [:'(]



denisonh -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 5:51:29 AM)

Not true, I keep it up as I will turn 3-4 turns a night.

It does get slow by the last turn, but nothing like you describe.



Onime No Kyo -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 5:56:07 AM)

Its not so bad. Just remember Frag's "Z/Esc maneuver". ("I haff invented a manuuuver...)



CapAndGown -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 5:59:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

Its not so bad. Just remember Frag's "Z/Esc maneuver". ("I haff invented a manuuuver...)


And what, pray tell, is that??



DrewMatrix -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 6:11:44 AM)

Things that speed up turn execution:

Set message speed to 0.1 sec. Set most of the other speeds (ship to ship combat etc) to no more than 0.6 sec.

Hitting the "z" key will also set message speed to 0.1 (I think) at least until the next combat. At any rate it speeds up execution a lot.

"Esc" also speeds up execution. It seems to work like "z" except occasionally you miss a battle because the Esc applies to the combat animation.



ChezDaJez -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 6:57:24 AM)

I'm going to assume that your machine is the bottleneck. Try running the game at 800x600 resolution if you're not already and see if that helps. If you are already at that resolution, 640x400 probably wouldn't improve things, if fact you'ld probably be less than happy with that setting.

Your machine is towards the lower end of the system requirements and 384meg of RAM isn't alot if you are running XP. Celerons also don't have a math coprocessor and this game is pretty intensive in that department. Adding more memory will also help speed things up a little. You can also try turning off any extentions that aren't absolutely required to help free up RAM. Check your virtual memory settings also and if you have enough hard drive space, increase the VM setting to 512meg or 1gig. If you don't have an "always on" internet connection then you can try disabling any virus protection software like Norton's or MacAfee. Make sure your internet connection is off first. The fact that restarting the game (but not the computer) tells me that the most likely cause of the slow down has to do with the game's memory management. Giving it more memory to play with may just solve the problem.

Chez



stubby331 -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 8:26:56 AM)

Also try running defrag. If it still runs like a dog disable the sound folder in WITP.



WhoCares -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 12:53:54 PM)

Run without sound by renaming the sound directory, e.g. to NO_SOUND. You might find this suggestion somewhere in the support directory.



Arkady -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 2:32:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

I'm going to assume that your machine is the bottleneck. Try running the game at 800x600 resolution if you're not already and see if that helps. If you are already at that resolution, 640x400 probably wouldn't improve things, if fact you'ld probably be less than happy with that setting.
....


resolution of this game is fixed to 1024x768 and can not be changed ! [8D]



Arkady -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 2:34:16 PM)

you can switch off Combat Animations (F5) and Combat Summuries (F8) eventually

all combats you can later review from combatreport



Gem35 -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 3:55:45 PM)

Go out and buy a new AMD 64 system. I had an old slow machine with win 98 before I got this baby and it's like night and day. [&o]



donkuchi19 -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 4:56:33 PM)

I started playing this game on my desktop PC with a 1.5 Ghz and 512 MB Ram. It ran very slow. I have since quit that game and downloaded it onto my laptop which is a 3.2 Ghz with 512 MB Ram. I can run 2 or 3 turns for every one from before. I can also play it at work now too!!!



bradfordkay -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 6:56:16 PM)

I think that it's the speed of the RAM that matters most. My desktop is an Athlon 2500+ with 512MB of PC133 RAM while my laptop is a Centrino 1.4 with 512MB of newer RAM (sorry, can't recall which version - I didn't build the laptop myself like I do my desktops). Turns process a lot quicker on the new computer. On neither computer have I had it get slower and slower as I play, it's just that the laptop processes the AI faster.


Thus, I am tending to agree with my compatriot from down the raod, Chezdajez, in that the specific problem Cap is having is probably related to his virtual memory. Try adjusting that first, making sure that you have enough empty hard drive space. I like to leave 10% of the hard drive free in addition to the virtual memory setting. If all that doesn't work, then you might try increasing the amount of RAM installed in your computer. With a system that old, the RAM should be cheep (if you can find it).



Mr.Frag -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 7:07:49 PM)

quote:

Playing against the AI, I am finding that after about 2 turns the speed of the combat resolution and the response to my scrolling and mouse clicks becomes unbearably slow. My machine has a 1.3 GH celeron and 384 MB RAM, yet it is slow as a dog by about the 3 turn. I have to shut down the program and restart. Is this normal???


Sounds like a problem with sound Cap.

Apart from turn #1, the other turns should be roughly the same speed no matter what. If it gets progressively slower and slower each turn run then there is something else going wrong.

Please follow the support notes anchored in the support forum for a dxdiag dump.



The Gnome -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 9:01:11 PM)

I get progressively slower with each turn as well. I'm in the habit of saving, quitting the game, and reloading every 3 turns. By turn 3, execution of the turn is downright painful, and notice moderate slowdown in the UI.

1.2 Athalon, 768MB, XP Professional



CapAndGown -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 9:21:45 PM)

I turned off sound and renamed the directory. That seems to improved things tremendously. But I like my sounds![:(]

I will look at the support forum as you suggest.



ChezDaJez -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 9:26:21 PM)

quote:

resolution of this game is fixed to 1024x768 and can not be changed !


Oops, forgot about that. Probably wouldn't have made a difference anyhow as the game is designed to work with only an 8meg video card.

Chez



CapAndGown -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 10:04:06 PM)

Frag, need some more input.

I went to the support forum. Ran DXdiag. Everything checks ok. But I don't have a sound card. Next I looked at that thread dealing with sound. I am now downloading the 22hz patch. I don't know if I need to install this or not. I just bought the game so it is at version 1.4. Does that use the 44hz version? Should I go ahead and apply the 22hz patch even though that appears to have been meant for version 1.2? Will sliding my sound slider to the left in DXdiag help speed things up?



Feinder -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/8/2005 10:22:30 PM)

Please take this in the jest that it is meant,

But you do realize that, you can probably find a better PC by simply rummaging the dumpster at Circut City... I've got TV remotes that are smarter than some of the boxes y'all are trying to run this game on.

-F-



stubby331 -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/9/2005 2:59:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Feinder

Please take this in the jest that it is meant,

But you do realize that, you can probably find a better PC by simply rummaging the dumpster at Circut City... I've got TV remotes that are smarter than some of the boxes y'all are trying to run this game on.

-F-


My Win98 Celeron 500 runs just fine thanks very much. [:D]



MarcA -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/9/2005 6:21:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

Playing against the AI, I am finding that after about 2 turns the speed of the combat resolution and the response to my scrolling and mouse clicks becomes unbearably slow. My machine has a 1.3 GH celeron and 384 MB RAM, yet it is slow as a dog by about the 3 turn. I have to shut down the program and restart. Is this normal???


I have this problem. In fact the problem is so bad that the game would not install from the CD, it would just hang. I installed the game intially on a Intel Xeon running 512 MB ram and Windows 2000 and had no problem. Howevevr, when I transfered to a 3200+ AMD Athlon with 512 MB ram and Windows XP it would just hang when I tried to install from the CD. Eventually I had to transfer the exe to my hard drive and run it from there. And while it is installed it does seem exceptionally slow, especially to mouse commands.

I suspect my VM settings are to low for the game. Is there a recommneded VM size to run WitP

(Incidentally - I am running v1.4 of WitP)



Mr.Frag -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/9/2005 7:22:24 PM)

Vm will not cause this ... the defaults are more then enough. One other AMD user relaxed the timing on his memory and it fixed everything up.



Gem35 -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/9/2005 8:02:06 PM)

i run this game and any computer I own for that matter with crucial memory. I own twin 512 mb ballistix at 2-2-2-5 timings. Best memory for gaming imho, although others will argue OCZ is best.[sm=duel.gif] You may want to rule out a memory issue by running a program called memtest (www.memtest86.com).



MarcA -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/9/2005 10:40:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Vm will not cause this ... the defaults are more then enough. One other AMD user relaxed the timing on his memory and it fixed everything up.


Thanks for the replies but memory timing is new to me. Could you explain some more and where I could find the appropriate settings



RaidOne -> RE: Soooo Slooooow! (3/10/2005 1:06:36 AM)

Go to http://www.rojakpot.com, select BIOS Optimization Guide, enter the guide and check the Memory Subsystem section. That's the best BIOS guide I know.
If you have a noname computer, when you start the PC press DEL and select Advanced BIOS Setup or equivalent, you should find the settings in your motherboard manual. There you will find things like DRAM Refresh Rate, CAS Latency Time etc. The most important is the CAS Latency, and that's where you should look. You probably have SDRAM memory, up it with 1, from 2 to 3.
For Dell, HP, Compaq, IBM machines you have to find which is the Setup key for your model, but many of them have a very inflexible BIOS and changing the settings is impossible.



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