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mc3744 -> RE: Northern Burma recaptured (11/20/2005 4:40:19 PM)

Thanks for your suggestion pauk [:)]

I'm promise I'll think about it.




mc3744 -> Burma recaptured (11/22/2005 10:46:25 PM)

January 18th, 1943

First of all I apologize for not posting very often. I’m having some VERY busy days. [:(] I barely have the time to do a few turns. Hopefully it’ll get better next week.

IBC
Troops, aviation support, pioneers and supplies are now flooding into Burma from Rangoon harbor. The airfield is already at size (7). Soon Bangkok will be in ruins. [sm=sterb011.gif]
The only thing I’m badly missing are AP’s.
So far I’ve been restricting myself to the airfield size*50 rule (which we never established). But I don’t want to tell GH because he may take advantage of the information. [;)] And I may still change my mind. [:D] But I think I’m now powerful enough even without stretching the game beyond his limits.
I don’t have yet a clear plan for the future. His retreat has taken me by surprise.
I’ll gauge how the air war over Malaya and Indo-China will develop and then I’ll decide how to proceed from here.

AUSTRALIA – NG
“Operation Rise and Shine” will commence in February. I’m waiting for a few Corsair’s and for some more carriers to be on the line.
It’ll be a major operation and it’ll surely change the overall strategic situation.

PACIFIC
A second major operation is being assembled. (Looking for a name, any suggestion?) It’ll be carried out simultaneously with “Operation Rise and Shine”.
Several carriers will be involved.
You have to wait one more month and then the Pacific will be on fire. Once it starts it won’t stop.

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Burma’s situation


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duckenf -> RE: Burma recaptured (11/22/2005 11:27:24 PM)


quote:

PACIFIC
A second major operation is being assembled. (Looking for a name, any suggestion?) It’ll be carried out simultaneously with “Operation Rise and Shine”.


How about "Operation Dawn's Early Light"? Goes along with Rise and Shine and is vaguely patriotic.




mc3744 -> RE: Burma recaptured (11/22/2005 11:40:35 PM)

Let's see if anybody else will throw an idea before my next report.
Anyway your sounds nice [:'(] It does indeed get along with rise and shine [;)]

Thanks medck [:)]




hawker -> RE: Burma recaptured (11/22/2005 11:47:30 PM)

Maybe you can name it,
"Operation Gen.Hoepner down"[:D]




pauk -> RE: Burma recaptured (11/22/2005 11:50:38 PM)

[:-]...cccccc... what is this, "Anti-GH club"?[:-][;)][:D]




hawker -> RE: Burma recaptured (11/22/2005 11:57:18 PM)

Hi Pauk,
This is not anti-GH club.
In fact i am fan of GH.[;)]




mc3744 -> RE: Burma recaptured (11/23/2005 12:30:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: hawker

Maybe you can name it,
"Operation Gen.Hoepner down"[:D]


I wish I had such an operation [;)]

GH is a tough beast with the Japs. Looks like with the Allies he is a bit less cautious. [:'(]
But with the Japs you never know what to expect.

I got to say that I have a hate/love feeling for GH. [8|]
I hate him because he is my enemy, I love (well, almost [:D]) him because this game is the most exciting I'm having (but for some really dark months I had).
All the others are a piece of cake in comparison.
And we usually keep an excellent pace, which is also good.
On top of that he seems like a very nice person, at least according to the countless emails exchanges we had over the last year.

Bottom line: beating him is my mission in life [:D][:D], seeing him beaten by others is also really, really pleasant [;)], but I'm certainly not an "anti-GH fanboy" [:-]




mc3744 -> Air raid over Bangkok (11/23/2005 10:15:59 PM)

January 22nd, 1943

IBC
The first air strike over Bangkok has hit. And Japan felt the wrath of the new Allied air power. [sm=sterb003.gif]

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Day Air attack on Bangkok , at 29,39

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 21
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 66

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 24
P-38G Lightning x 48
F-5A Lightning x 5
LB-30 Liberator x 47
B-24D Liberator x 141

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 4 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 7 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 32 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 5 destroyed, 9 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 28 destroyed
F-5A Lightning: 2 destroyed
LB-30 Liberator: 3 destroyed, 12 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 11 destroyed, 48 damaged


Unfortunately I forgot a third P-38 squadron set on escort at (0) range. [:(]
The escort should have been made up by (72) P-38’s and not just (48).
Looking at the air fighting (not all, part of it) I noticed that the Tojo’s performed way better vs. the P-38’s, while the Tony’s are best to engage the heavies.
Despite a fighter inferiority in number the overall air-to-air losses have been almost 1:1, (28) P-38 vs. (25) Tony’s + (3) Tojo’s + (2) A6M3a (at least according to the Intel).
Oddly one squadron lost (22) planes while the other one only (6).
In total 70:83 in my favor. I guess that with (24) P-38 more the result would have been even better.
The two fighter squadrons had 80+ exp.
Anyway the grounded P-38 squadron will come in handy tomorrow for the follow up raid that will finish the job (if the weather will allow for take off).
Meanwhile Moulmein is now at airfield size (5), AV points are moving into position. Soon it’ll be another base to hit Japanese airfields from with Wellingtons and B-25J's.
Once I’m through with Bangkok I’ll flatten Hanoi. [:D]
The result today has been quite balanced (basically 1:1), but I guess he won’t be able to sustain this attrition for long. At least now we are having some action. [:)]

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The mighty battle over Bangkok's sky


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mc3744 -> RE: Air raid over Bangkok (11/25/2005 5:14:57 PM)

January 26th, 1943

Not much going on in the game, but I’m very busy IRL. [:(]

I’m hitting Bangkok HI and then resources will follow. After that Hanoi airfield and so on and so forth.
As soon as Moulmein and Mandalay will be at full Aviation Support too I’ll start moving southbound with seaborne attacks under a powerful protective air force umbrella.

The first F4U-1 have arrived [8D] and thanks to the downgrade/upgrade feature they are already on the front line.
Within a week “Operation Rise and Shine” and “Operation Dawn” will begin. I only need a quiet RL day to plan the details.
Lexington, Saratoga and Enterprise are at SF for upgrades and repairs. All the other CV’s, CVE’s and CVL (British included) will participate in the joint operations.

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Daily Japanese training


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mc3744 -> January '43 (11/27/2005 1:08:34 PM)

January 28th, 1943

IBC
In China Ichang fell at the first attack.
Moving troops southbound in Burma.

AUSTRALIA – NG
“Operation Rise and Shine” has officially begun!
The following units are loading the amphibious TF’s.
- 1st Marine Div
- 43rd US Div
- 7th Australian Div
- Makassar Bn
- 5th Australian Tank Rgt
- HQ AUS II Corps
- HQ 9 Group RAAF
- 91 RAAF Aviation
- 1 NEIAF Aviation
- Several Seabees units
More details on the TF’s composition in the following days.

PACIFIC
Carriers are assembling for “Operation Dawn”.
Within days troops will start loading onto ships.
Hundreds of pilots are already on high alert.

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A typical Allied training day in the Pacific


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mc3744 -> RE: January '43 (11/28/2005 12:35:43 AM)

January 30th, 1943

IBC
A group of P-38's sent on a training mission over Hanoi actually destroyed a number of Tojo’s on the ground. [:D] They were only supposed to show off from 39k ft. [;)]
The Imperial High Command immediately complained for gameyness. [:-] I guess I’ll comply with their request. [:'(]

AUSTRALIA – NG
Still loading.

PACIFIC
“Operation Dawn” is a go!
The following units – part of the first wave - are boarding ships:
- 37th US Div
- 5th Air Force HQ
- 131st Base force
- CD 7th Marine Def Bn
- 16th Seabees
- 11th Seabees

It’ll be a hot February.




mc3744 -> RE: February '43 (11/28/2005 7:23:01 PM)

February 1st, 1943

The month of the Corsair! The month of the large scale counter-offensive!! [sm=00000106.gif]

IBC
Mr. Churchill insists on busting my balls!! [:o] Once again he is asking for a CV (and 2 DDs) back. I’m at 30 PPs, it means next month I’ll be negative. I have no way to send a CV back now, they are all in Australia. [8|]
Moulmein is now at airfield L6, an Aviation Rgt (270 AV) is en route from Rangoon.
In a couple of days B-17s, Wellingtons and B25Js will join the Liberators from Rangoon.
An amphibious TF is heading towards Port Blair, on board the 23rd Indian Division. They’ll secure the Island and will be followed by Chinese Base Forces (assigned to the SEAsia HQ). The air coverage will be provided by P-38’s based in Rangoon.
The drive southbound has started!

AUSTRALIA – NG
“Operation Rise and Shine”
The troops have boarded the ships, the invasion will begin! [sm=Tank-fahr09.gif]
3 amphibious TFs composed by (79) ships (APs+AKs+MSWs+PGs+SCs) are leaving harbor tonight.
They’ll be followed by cargo and tanker TFs with tons of supplies and fuel.
The above TFs are screened by surface and air threat by 3 TFs: 1 Surface Combat TF (which will also support the landings by bombarding at night) and 2 carriers TFs.
Surface Combat TF
2 BB (Washington and Oklahoma) + 5 CA + 4 CL + 4 DD
1st Carrier TF
3 CV (Illustrious, Yorktown and Hornet) + 5 CLAA + 2 CA + 1 CL + 4 DD
A total of 212 carrier aircrafts and 12 FPs.
The fighter force is made up by 72 F4F-4 with approx. 70 exp and 18 Seafire’s at 80 exp.
2nd Carrier TF
3 CV (Indomitable, Formidable and Wasp) + 1 CVL + 4 CLAA + 2 CA + 1 CL + 5 DD
A total of 169 carrier aircrafts and 12 FPs.
The fighter force is made up by 30 FM-2 with approx. 70 exp and 71 Seafire’s with exp 80.
All fighter squadrons are set at 90% CAP. All TBs are set at range 4.

We shall soon know if this new air force will be enough to protect my precious ships and troops from the Japanese aerial onslaught.




BLurking -> RE: February '43 (11/28/2005 7:29:35 PM)

Even in '43 you might be advised to keep your carrier TFs under 150 aircraft to avoid having your strikes broken up.
Unless you're sure KB won't be around - but even then, it's best to coordinate your strike packages...




mc3744 -> RE: February '43 (11/28/2005 7:45:46 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BLurking

Even in '43 you might be advised to keep your carrier TFs under 150 aircraft to avoid having your strikes broken up.
Unless you're sure KB won't be around - but even then, it's best to coordinate your strike packages...


Hey BL [:)]

Judging from the amount of Navy planes that I see in PI I guess the KB won't be the main threat. LBA will be, if any: he may keep retreating.
My goal is not to strike, but to protect the invasion. 3 carriers per TF sounds realistic and manageable to me.
I'm also counting a lot on the high exp Seafire's




aztez -> RE: February '43 (11/28/2005 7:51:24 PM)

I think Sardaukar gave me an good advice about CV's.

I actually did make a separate CVE TF (Maybe 1 CV and 1-2 CVL's inside it). This is the "main" TF which other CV TF's follow since CVE's are slower your CV's wohn't get lost [:)]

I actually set "CVE" TF on react to 4 and CAP at 70%... other CV TF were set to follow this TF (These TF have their reaction range set to 0) and with these pointers I actually managed to get solid CV Fleet with proper CAP.

Anyway, these hints helped me a lot to get the allied side in level terms with KB [:)]

Good luck with your invasion... hopefully GH will be "toasted"[:)]




BLurking -> RE: February '43 (11/28/2005 8:28:37 PM)

Don't know what the coordination effects on CAP are. If your goal is to maintain the uber-CAP, then keeping the carriers together may or may not increase your protection. Giving your opponent fewer targets in a TF has its advantages too. After all, we're not debating the historical accuracy of your TF composition - it's the bloody model you have to worry about.

Sounds like you've got him on the ropes if he's retraining his naval aviators, but Betty w/ a decent escort can ruin your day. I keep A6M3a squadrons from upgrading just to provide the long-range escorts that the more advanced Japanese planes can't provide...




mc3744 -> RE: February '43 (11/28/2005 11:34:44 PM)

Ok guys

You conviced me [:)], I just split the 2 carrier groups in 3.
We'll see.




mc3744 -> RE: February '43 (11/29/2005 2:49:12 PM)

February 4th, 1943

New house rule.
Following a post on the forum, we discussed a house rule for the use of ‘carrier capable’ planes on the carriers.
I proposed GH the following house rule (and he accepted).
All CV, CVL, CVE that come with fighting squadrons (not VR) will keep those squadrons and therefore stick to their upgrade path.
CVE with no squadron (such as the Long Island) or with replenishment squadrons (VR ones) can embark any type of plane. This way we get to play with more plane types, but most of the Navy air force remains as originally intended.
Right now I have the Long Island (12 Corsair’s on board) and the Nassau (24 Corsair’s on board). Two more are on their way.

IBC
The 23rd Indian Division has landed in Port Blair. The waters surrounding the base were heavily mined. Despite (3) MSW’s escorting the convoy a PG hit a mine and won’t probably make it back to Rangoon. [:(]
Japanese Navy and Air Force did not challenge the landing in any way … so far.
Tomorrow a deliberate attack will hopefully get rid of the small garrison.
Moulmein is now filled with B-17s and Wellingtons, Bangkok will soon be out of resources.

AUSTRALIA – NG
Two days to the first landing of “Operation Rise and Shine”. I’m getting nervous! [:o]

PACIFIC
“Operation Dawn” is almost ready to be launched.
The troops are embarked and now the amphibious TF is waiting for the surface and carrier escorts to join them.
- The Surface Combat TF is composed by:
(4) BB (Idaho, New Mexico, Mississippi and North Carolina) + (5) CA + (2) CL + (4) DD
- The Carrier TF is composed by:
(1) CV (Essex) + (5) CVE + (2) BB (California and Colorado) and escort.

A hot February!




mc3744 -> Andaman Islands recaptured (11/29/2005 3:54:00 PM)

February 5th, 1943

IBC
The Andaman Islands are back into British hands, another fine day for the Allies. [:)]
PG Jasmine sank on her way to Rangoon. As sad as it is, it’s a reasonable price to pay for the recapture of the Islands.
The skies over Bangkok have been darkened today by storms of Allied bombers! [sm=00000028.gif]

AUSTRALIA – NG
“Operation Rise and Shine”
The first amphibious TF is one hex out of the first landing target. Since – quite unexpectedly !! – the ships have not been detected yet, the landing will stay on hold until the other two amphibious TFs and the escort will be in position (or spotted) for the second landing. Another couple of days and I’ll have a totally unopposed invasion!?! [X(]

PACIFIC
The BB West Virginia, at (99) sys dmg after the infamous PH attack is now (after 14 months) upgraded and ready to get back on the line! [8D]

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The West Virginia


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mc3744 -> RE: Tavoy recaptured (11/30/2005 12:19:21 AM)

February 8th, 1943

IBC
Tavoy has been taken.
It is already airfield L4 and can be build up to L6. It is supplied directly from Rangoon as I cleared the road with the advancing unit.
Aviation engineers are on their way. It’ll be built up as fast as possible.
Port Blair has Mariner’s patrolling and a small Hurricane’s squadron on station, just in case.
The F4F’s I previously managed to bring to India have been upgraded to Corsair’s and are at exp 81. [8D]
Next target Victoria Point, also at L4 with a potential of L6. From Victoria Point I can hit Singapore. [:'(]
The last two months I’ve been playing solo, the Japs are nowhere to be seen. [:-]

AUSTRALIA – NG
One more day and the invasion will begin. I imagine it’ll be a cake walk. Looks like I have to go to Japan to get some resistance.
Not one ship spotted so far! [X(]

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The advance Southbound


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Andy Mac -> RE: Tavoy recaptured (11/30/2005 12:30:50 AM)

Go get im !!!!

I assume the ground forces are all prepped for PM ?

p.s. in a PDU game Seafires make RN CV's a lot more dangerous and when combined as fighter platforms in support of USN CV TF's (as you are doing) they make up for the poor showing of F4F's versus Zeroes !!!

Should be good




mc3744 -> Operation Rise and Shine (11/30/2005 1:29:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I assume the ground forces are all prepped for PM ?




Hey Andy, good to see you! [:)]

Well ... not exactly [;)] See below [:D]

February 9th, 1943

AUSTRALIA – NG
“Operation Rise and Shine” is at its peak, tonight the landings will begin.
As you can see the aim of the Operation is to recapture Northern Australia. From there I can move North and recapture and/or destroy DEI’s oilfields, hopefully by mid ’43.
Broome’s airfield can be built up to L8. From there I can cover the final recapture of Darwin
Meanwhile (4) Australian Divisions and some additional support units are moving towards Daly.
Maybe I’ll be able to trap some Jap units in Australia.
Hopefully he was not expecting it. [:D]

PACIFIC
“Operation Dawn” has begun. [sm=tank2-39.gif]
The Amphibious TF will leave harbor tonight with its massive escort. Full speed, (6) hexes per day. It’ll hit the shores in two days.
I’ve split the carrier TF in two.
Carrier group I
(3) CVE + BB Colorado + (3) CL + (8) DD
(21) FM-2 + (21) F4F + (12) F4U-1 + (18) TBF
Carrier group II
CV Essex + (2) CVE + BB California + (1) CLAA + (2) CL + (8) DD
(57) F4F + (24) F4U-1 + (36) SBD + (18) TBF

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"Operation Rise and Shine"

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Andy Mac -> RE: Operation Rise and Shine (11/30/2005 1:38:28 AM)

Errr ooops of course my reference to PM was all part of the allied deception plan [:D] no really it was !!!......honest .....




mc3744 -> RE: Operation Rise and Shine (11/30/2005 1:40:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Errr ooops of course my reference to PM was all part of the allied deception plan [:D] no really it was !!!......honest .....


Right! [sm=Cool-049.gif]

[:D]




mc3744 -> The Return of the Jedi! (12/1/2005 3:51:00 PM)

February 11th, 1943

IBC
Bangkok is now at zero resources and HI. I’m now resting the LB’s to hit Hanoi’s airfield. The only nearby airfield with Japanese Air force presence.
I’ve upgraded one more P-40E’s squadron to P-38’s. I’ll be able to escort some 500 LBs (from Rangoon and Moulmein) with 90+ P-38’s. A few days to recover and then Hanoi’s airfield will be history.
A base Force is unloading in Tavoy, from there I’ll provide fighter cover for the amphibious TF directed to Victoria Point. On board the 26th Indian Division.
Meanwhile I’m sending another TF to recover the 23rd Indian Division from Port Blair, I’ll leave only a Base Force there (30 AV).
Luckily the CV Victorious will arrive in Karachi in a couple of weeks. I’ll send her back to Mr. Churchill and I’ll therefore be able to use the PPs to convert more INF units (Chinese, NZ, and West Coast). I’ll soon need lots of Assault Points.
GH is playing a super Sir Robin. [:-] [;)] From the look of it he’ll make his stand in PI, Japan and China. I’ll have to fight a super concentrated Japan force.

AUSTRALIA – NG
“Operation Rise and Shine” was a ‘boring’ success. The Japs keep running. I found nobody in Broome (one tiny garrison unit) and no naval or air interference.
The usual unloading bug has caused 70% of the assault points for Exmouth to be unloaded one hex out. I’ll finish to unload the rest and I’ll go get them. GH has agreed not to attack.
The only real problem with this is that I need Exmouth as a step to Broome for short legged aircrafts.
Broome is now a US base, full Aviation Support. One squadron of P-38, (2) of Mariners, (1) F-5 and (1) Hudson on Naval Attack. To get P-40’s and Beaufort’s I need Exmouth. Annoying, but nothing serious.
I’m really astonished by this lack of fighting spirit on the Japanese side. [X(]
The ‘jump’ to Broome was not an easy one, no LBA to protect the ships, no nearby base to recover damaged ships.
I really think he should have challenged me (at least with the LBA), I had already planned on loosing some/many ships and having some major vessel damaged, instead it’s been a piece of cake.
Now I can hit Darwin. I’ll probably be able to land in Darwin in 2-3 weeks from now.
I don’t get it. He has several adjacent bases, lots of sea for me to cross and yet he tries nothing! [&:]

PACIFIC
As you now know “Operation Dawn” was aimed at Lunga.
Tonight the first troops landed, tomorrow they’ll attack. I have big amount of Seabees to make sure I’ll have the airfield at size one in 2-3 days, tops.
I decided to go for Lunga and not PM because Lunga had less Japanese LBA nearby and I had some.
A few hexes from Lunga my carrier based aircrafts attacked a lonely Japanese AK, protected by some Rufe’s. Corsair’s scored their first kills. Needless to say that the Rufe’s have been shot down like ducks. [:D]
Unless GH decides to react, next step will be PM. I need to reconnect the Pacific with Northern Australia, to avoid the longer trip to the West.
I may be able to launch the offensive for DEI in May.

I’d love to hear your opinion on the next steps. Right now I’ve decided to forget about Tarawa and CENPAC and I’m thinking Rabaul and Borneo from the South and Sumatra from the North. But I’ve never been here.
Any suggestion out there?
One last comment: wow! The Allies in ’43 are really fearsome. [:D] [:D]


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Tom Hunter -> RE: The Return of the Jedi! (12/1/2005 5:01:38 PM)

I would make short hops up the island chain with very heavy cover by LBA going at least to Buin. That cuts Hoepner off from Port Moresby, and then you can either take a short hop to one of the islands near Gili Gili or a longer jup to Gili Gili.

As time goes by you keep getting more CVs which allow longer jumps, so going short now and longer later makes sense.

The two keys for me are bases that can support LBA attacks so you can bomb the Japanese all the time and bases (smaller) that can support fighters flying CAP over surface ship TFs that can jump out 5 hexes, bombard and return to the CAP.




mc3744 -> RE: The Return of the Jedi! (12/1/2005 5:27:57 PM)

Hey Tom [:)]

What you say makes absolutely sense, as usual [;)]

However why not going for PM immediately? He has no nearby developed airfields (only in New Britain) and PM airfield is already closed down by my daily bombings (B-17s from Cooktown). Hence he has no LBA for PM.
Once I have PM I can threaten the whole area with the 4E.

Now I have two more CVE's in Suva with another (48) Corsair's to add to the carrier TF currently protecting the landing in Lunga.
With a total of (84) Corsair's and various F4F and FM-2 the attack to PM should be quite easy. Especially since he doesn't seem to have any intention whatsoever to fight. I can screen the TF from naval attack with up to (10) BBs.

What do you think? Would you still wait and jump up to Buin?




TheElf -> RE: The Return of the Jedi! (12/2/2005 3:38:44 AM)

Outstanding screenies MC! That is the first time I've some of those tops in game! Keep'em coming...[:)]




mc3744 -> RE: The Return of the Jedi! (12/2/2005 12:59:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Outstanding screenies MC! That is the first time I've some of those tops in game! Keep'em coming...[:)]


I promise I'll post more.
I hope GH will decide to fight with me someday [;)]




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