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Latour_Maubourg -> RE: Just Stroll on Down to the Enemy Capital? (7/23/2005 3:05:29 AM)

Nappie went twice to Vienna to find the main Austrian army north of the city not caring about the capital. The Ruskies didn't mind Moscow being burnt in 1812 and withdrew east, north and south (technically St. Petersburg was the capital and not Moscow, but that's another story). So what is the significance of the capital? Which brings us to the point when should a country surrender? A) after the capital has been taken B)after the main army has been defeated? Well A is easier to program then B, right? But a lot of us agree to the fact that the capital isn't the main goal. So what to do? My humble suggestion is: a country should surrender if the total amount of troops is below a certain percentage compared to the total population or surrender if the total amount of troops falls below for example 40% of total troops or whatever percentage you suggest.

just my 2 cents.....


L-M



Malagant -> RE: Just Stroll on Down to the Enemy Capital? (7/23/2005 4:21:25 AM)

I like the current system of NML, but I think the hit to NML for having your capitol held is a bit too steep, making the A/I (and humans!) ignore everything else.



Naomi -> RE: Just Stroll on Down to the Enemy Capital? (7/23/2005 2:01:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Malagant

I like the current system of NML, but I think the hit to NML for having your capitol held is a bit too steep, making the A/I (and humans!) ignore everything else.

Maybe gold bullion and art treasure shouldn't 've been stored only in capitals; (the mere worry of) losing them seemed to weigh very heavily.



EarlPembroke -> RE: Just Stroll on Down to the Enemy Capital? (7/26/2005 5:22:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Malagant


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ORIGINAL: EarlPembroke

2) To me it's more a matter of the AI doesn't defend its territory, but rather sends its army out to conquer the other land. In my current game, Austria and Turkey have been at war several times. Their largest armies often do not meet on the field of battle. Rather Austria sends its largest army off to siege Turkish cities and leaves a smaller force behind to defend. The huge Turkish army descends on Vienna and sieges it, taking it. Austria's largest army keeps sieging a Turkish city until Austria is forced to capitulate. Or until Turkey is beaten by Russia and thus surrenders to Austria too.

I think Austria should try to seek out the Turkish army (lower morale) and face it with a more equal force to prevent it from taking Vienna so easily. As a human player I can do this, but the AI doen't do it much. I also hope that making a tweak here would lead to more offers of limited surrender. (Unless all those messages I see about AI nations surrendering to each other include some limiteds. The AI doesn't send me offers of limited surrender; instead it waits until it is fully beaten then has a full surrender.)



Napoleon agreed with you:

"There are in Europe many good generals, but they see too many things at once. I see one thing, namely the enemy's main body. I try to crush it, confident that secondary matters will then settle themselves." -NB


Thanks - good to hear it from a real expert on Napoleonic warfare. [:D]



EarlPembroke -> RE: Just Stroll on Down to the Enemy Capital? (7/26/2005 5:42:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Malagant

I like the current system of NML, but I think the hit to NML for having your capitol held is a bit too steep, making the A/I (and humans!) ignore everything else.


Agreed - I like the NML method. I think there should be a trigger that makes attempts at limited surrender - seems underutilized to me.

I wonder if the capital weighting is what leads the enemy to march headlong to the other nation's capital? But your own capital should weigh as much as the enemy's - that might make AI nations leave some troops to guard the homeland if they attempt an invasion. Somehow the large armies need to seek each other out, I think (esp. in the AI-AI wars as humans can do this on their own). Per the quote from Napoleon above, enemy armies might maneuver for better position / choose location to fight, but at least one was seeking out the other's main body to defeat it. Think we have a bit too much emphasis on sieging the enemy's lands as it stands now. Might be hard to code: "When you have an advantage, go seek out the other nation's main army to destroy it and win the war." [;)]



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