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Rainerle -> Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 3:27:49 PM)

Hi,
while playing the Ai I came across the following.
I'm having a Betty Daitai at Amboina set to 1.)Naval Attack 2.) Rest with Naval Search at 20%. Since the AI seems to not have any ships here my planes do nothing for about two weeks. Then I decide to give them some task so I switch secondary mission from rest to Recon and put Darwin as the target (wanted to know whats happening there). During Turn resolution 20 Bombers fly unescorted to Darwin at 22000 ft (was set by me), 2 are shot down by Wirraways and they bomb Darwin [X(] (no hits, so I don't know if port or airfield was targeted).
So is this working as designed ???? Where are my Recon Photos (the click, click, click sound)??



Terminus -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 3:54:09 PM)

The primary/secondary mission selection means that IF the Naval Attack isn't flown (in the AM phase) THEN the unit will fly the secondary mission (in the PM phase). Your Betty's flew the mission in the AM, so they don't fly in the PM.



Arkan -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 3:58:13 PM)

I don't think they flew the primary mission as he said it was Naval Attack.
I may be wrong here but I think they flew Recon at Darwin and this is the way LBs do recon. The click, click noise only comes if recon aircraft fly recon while bombers do recon during their bombing runs.



DFalcon -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 4:03:22 PM)

I noticed this same problem. I did some testing and found this odd "no bombing, bombing mission" is what will happen if you select secondary mission recon. No recon pictures are taken, no bomb hits are scored and the recon aircraft fly and die in large numbers. (see thread "Secondary mission recon, bugged" in the support forum)

It smells like a bug to me, but I was told this is what you should expect.

It makes the selection of recon as a secondary mission useless. You don't hit with bombs, you don't take pictures, but you do get your planes shot up. Don't do it. If you want recon you have to use the primary recon mission.





Feinder -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 6:00:17 PM)

For what it's worth, NavSearch primary, Recond Secondary, with percentage of Nav Search, -DOES- work with PATROLS.

It's useful to gain exp for Patrols. If nothing is in the area, you gain exp very slowly (nothing to spot). But with the recon mission as secondary, some of your pilots are actually flying to an active target (and the click-click does go off), and they gain exp.

Hope this helps.
-F-



Terminus -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 6:03:18 PM)

Rainerle, where there any Allied ships at Darwin at the time? An non-disbanded TF might have triggered a Naval Attack...



Sharkosaurus rex -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 6:13:32 PM)

The way the normal recons units are only using one or two pilots until they drop dead, it might nt be a good idea to use the recon mission for bombers either. You don't want your 95 Betty pilot going splat on a recon mission. Also the info from a non-recon plane is heaps less, look at the low info from a single Glen mission over a base(doesn't even tell you how many ships are in the port). But some times you need a long range recon mission. In this case I normally use a Mavis/Emily for the recon and change the Bettys at the base to naval search for the one turn. And then swap them back again.



EUBanana -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 6:31:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Feinder

For what it's worth, NavSearch primary, Recond Secondary, with percentage of Nav Search, -DOES- work with PATROLS.

It's useful to gain exp for Patrols. If nothing is in the area, you gain exp very slowly (nothing to spot). But with the recon mission as secondary, some of your pilots are actually flying to an active target (and the click-click does go off), and they gain exp.

Hope this helps.
-F-


Yup, this is a golden tactic - plus it turns your masses of Catalinas into secondary recon aircraft.

My gripe with recon is more that the info you get,, beyond number of units, seems to be worthless. Specially for LCUs, that troop number estimate, I've never even seen it be close once.

Multiply by at least 4, in my experience. [X(]



rtrapasso -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 6:34:39 PM)

quote:

My gripe with recon is more that the info you get,, beyond number of units, seems to be worthless. Specially for LCUs, that troop number estimate, I've never even seen it be close once.

Multiply by at least 4, in my experience.


Some people insist it helps in combat the more you recon...



bradfordkay -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/22/2005 7:17:40 PM)

" For what it's worth, NavSearch primary, Recond Secondary, with percentage of Nav Search, -DOES- work with PATROLS.

It's useful to gain exp for Patrols. If nothing is in the area, you gain exp very slowly (nothing to spot). But with the recon mission as secondary, some of your pilots are actually flying to an active target (and the click-click does go off), and they gain exp."


But it also works to set your patrol squadrons to a Recon order with 80% Naval Search. I've never used the recon secondary mission because of this.



Rainerle -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/28/2005 4:48:31 PM)

Hi,
it happened again, this time with a reduced Daitai of 18 Kate Torpedobombers.
Setting: first, Naval Attack, second Recon, 20% Naval Search, 3000ft. Target Kavieng (which turned out empty).
And they scored no hits from 3000ft. (maybe because nothing was there ?)



Captain Cruft -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/28/2005 9:59:27 PM)

The Recon as secondary mission turning into an airfield attack thing is a bug.

Recon is extremely useful, maybe even vital. It's not just about the info on the rollover. The higher the DL/MDL of a base/unit the more effective any form of attack on it is.




Rainerle -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/29/2005 10:01:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

The Recon as secondary mission turning into an airfield attack thing is a bug.




Hi,
is this an official statement and if yes will it be adressed ?
Is it really AF attack and can the planes in question hit anything?



Captain Cruft -> RE: Problem with Recon (7/29/2005 12:53:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rainerle
quote:

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft
The Recon as secondary mission turning into an airfield attack thing is a bug.

Hi,
is this an official statement and if yes will it be adressed ?
Is it really AF attack and can the planes in question hit anything?


I'm not official. It is self-evident that it is a bug.

Look at pilot fatigue and planes damaged/destroyed the next time it happens.



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