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fdeutsch -> Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 10:48:35 AM)
In my pbem with TheElf, we having a fierce battle for Port Moresby. After two weeks of combat, I decided to land despite of strong air opposition. My transport TF are at 1 hex on Port Moreby the previous turn. So I move to land, encounter mine field, destroyed some PT boat. BUT my transport don't land any troops, are back to their original place and their speed is now 0/0 [:@]. So it is a bug or not? AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/28/42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 52 encounters mine field at Port Moresby (53,91) Japanese Ships MSW W.16 MSW W.6 MSW W.3 DD Chidori DD Hatsukari DD Satsuki DD Sagiri DD Inazuma PG Kamitsu Maru PG Shinko Maru #2 PC Shimushu PG Kantori Maru PG Yoshida Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire AP Manzyu Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 56,95 Japanese Ships AO Hayamoto, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS Triton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91 Japanese Ships DD Inazuma DD Sagiri DD Satsuki DD Asagao PC Shimushu DD Chidori DD Manazuru DD Hatsukari MSW W.3 MSW W.6 MSW W.16 PG Takunan Maru #3 PG Kamitsu Maru PG Kantori Maru PG Seisho Maru PG Shinko Maru #2 PG Shosei Maru PG Taiko Maru, on fire PG Yoshida Maru, on fire PC Fumi Maru PC Toshi Maru #3 AP Asama Maru AP Atsuta Maru AP Ayatosan Maru AP Buenos Aires Maru AP Burisuben Maru AP Ceylon Maru AP Gyoko Maru AP Hakka Maru AP Hakozaki Maru AP Hakusika Maru AP Hasuna Maru AP Hayo Maru AP Heiwa Maru, on fire, heavy damage AP Higashiyama Maru AP Hikawa Maru AP Hinko Maru AP Hokuriku Maru AP Hukuyo Maru AP Keiyo Maru, on fire, heavy damage AP Kenzan Maru AP Kisogawa Maru AP Kitano Maru AP Kiyama Maru AP Kiyozumi Maru, on fire AP Kizan Maru AP Koan Maru AP Kofuku Maru AP Kogyo Maru AP Konan Maru AP Konzan Maru AP Koryu Maru AP Kurohime Maru AP Kyushu Maru AP Kyokusei Maru AP Manila Maru AP Manzyu Maru, on fire, heavy damage AP Matsukawa Maru AP Meiko Maru AP Meiten Maru Allied Ships PT PT-122, Shell hits 6, and is sunk Japanese ground losses: 27 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 130 troops unloading over beach at Roxas, 42,55 Japanese ground losses: 137 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 54,94 Japanese Ships DD Usugumo DD Yayoi DD Ariake DD Ayanami DD Shirakumo CL Yubari DD Ushio DD Kisaragi Allied Ships SS Pompano -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 53,93 Japanese Ships CA Furutaka, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS Swordfish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 19 SBD Dauntless x 50 TBF Avenger x 28 Kittyhawk I x 17 Beaufort V-IX x 48 P-40E Warhawk x 7 Allied aircraft losses SBD Dauntless: 2 damaged Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged Japanese Ships AP Nikki Maru AP Heiyo Maru CL Sendai, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Keisyo Maru AP Izumo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Keisho Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Ume Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AP Seizan Maru AP Taijima Maru, Bomb hits 2 AP Yubae Maru AK Hoeisan Maru AP Tutukami Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Kamo AP Yosyu Maru AP Ayato Maru AP Tatsuwa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Tonan Maru AP Jinsan Maru PG Seiko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Denmark Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire AP Nichiryo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Haaburu Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire AP Ayaha Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage AP Akashisan Maru AP Tensyo Maru AK Awazisan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Terukuni Maru Japanese ground losses: 587 casualties reported Guns lost 17 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 53,91 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 6 No Allied losses Japanese Ships DD Sawakaze AP Buyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire Japanese ground losses: 39 casualties reported Aircraft Attacking: 2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 49,91 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 13 A6M3 Zero x 4 D3A Val x 22 B5N Kate x 27 No Japanese losses Allied Ships DMS Southard, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 54,94 Japanese Ships DD Usugumo DD Yayoi DD Ariake DD Ayanami DD Shirakumo DD Ushio DD Kisaragi AP Sanko Maru Allied Ships SS Pompano -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 53,92 Japanese Ships AK Tosei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Mikazuki DD Mochizuki DD Harukaze DD Hokaze DD Wakatake Allied Ships SS Spearfish, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage Japanese ground losses: 29 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 53,91 Japanese Ships CL Sendai, on fire, heavy damage DD Nowaki DD Hagikaze DD Uzuki DD Sawakaze DD Yakaze DD Tomozuru DD Kamo MSW Wa 1 MSW Wa 2 MSW Shonan Maru #8 MSW Tama Maru #5 PG Eifuku Maru PG Hong Kong Maru PG Kanko Maru PG Kure Maru #5 PG Muro Maru PG Saiko Maru PG Seiko Maru, on fire PG Shinko Maru #1 PG Tatsumiya Maru PC Ch 29 AP Aikoku Maru AK Akagi Maru AP Akashisan Maru AP Anzan Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Astuga Maru, on fire AK Alaska Maru AK Atlas Maru AP Atuta Maru AP Awa Maru AK Awata Maru AK Awazisan Maru, on fire, heavy damage AP Ayaha Maru, on fire, heavy damage AP Ayato Maru AP Baikal Maru AP Batavia Maru AK Brazil Maru AP Buyo Maru, on fire AP Chicago Maru AP Denmark Maru, on fire AP Fusemi Maru AP Ginyo Maru AP Haaburu Maru, on fire AK Hakkai Maru AP Hanakawa Maru AK Havana Maru AP Heito Maru AP Heiyo Maru AK Hoeisan Maru AP Igasa Maru AP Izan Maru AP Izumo Maru, on fire AP Jinsan Maru AP Jouban Maru AP Kanko Maru AP Kashiwara Maru AP Kasima Maru AP Kasuga Maru AP Keisho Maru, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-121, Shell hits 7, and is sunk Japanese ground losses: 114 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 56,95 Japanese Ships DD Kagero DD Akatsuki Allied Ships SS Triton

fdeutsch -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 10:49:37 AM)
forgot to say that Patrol/not retire is on of course

Treetop64 -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 10:51:49 AM)
I don't think you have enough auxiliary ships there, buddy... [:D]

Bodhi -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 11:09:07 AM)
Even if on patrol/do not retire the TF commander will sometimes make the decision to retire if his aggression is low and he feels the situation's a bit too hot for his liking.

TheElf -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 11:14:22 AM)
Francois, The only thing I can think of is that as you entered the PM hex with your landing TF one of the PT boats was still there. I'm not sure, but I think ALL surface combatants HAVE to be cleared from an opposing forces base hex BEFORE your troops can land. Also, I can't find my manual, but even a Transport TF that has orders to Patrol/Do not retire, may fail a morale check after a beating like your guys took from my LBA. These two things combined may have caused your Transport TF skipper to say" Adios, I'm out!" and headed for his base hex. The TF speed is likely 0/0 because so many APs were Dead in the water. Not sure though.

pauk -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 12:22:47 PM)
i've also had problems with invasion fleet. Inv. fleet (escorted with several dd's and one ca) was ordered to invade Menado. Inv. TF was stationed two hex east, but for the two next turns, did not moved at all. I guess that opponents PT's (based in Menado base hex)prevent movement towards base, but i'm not sure. Then i sent dd TF which engaged three PT's, sink one, and next turn my invasion fleet finally moved to the Menado. So it is very interesting situation, especially when i noticed that rest two PT stayed in the hex but not engaged my invasion fleet or prevent landings...?

tanksone -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 5:19:12 PM)
I'm sure you checked but did you have task force do not unload turn on. [sm=00000436.gif]

fdeutsch -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 6:16:45 PM)
Yes I let Unload cargo option.

BaitBoy -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 6:19:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bodhi Even if on patrol/do not retire the TF commander will sometimes make the decision to retire if his aggression is low and he feels the situation's a bit too hot for his liking. This has hapened to me (with force Z refusing to engage). The other posible problem is that all of the air attacks may have used up all of the opp points of your transports leaving them unable to unload.

AmiralLaurent -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 7:37:40 PM)
I think this is a case of 'morale check' failure by your TF commander.... Closing the airfield may help in this case or providing some LRCAP. Even if the latter is unefficient, it may be enough to keep the TF in the hex. Another strategy will be to send a surface TF in the same hex, so they will draw part of the attack. I don't think that in your case the PT boat was the cause of the withdrawal, as it was sunk during the turn. But the aerial attacks did a lot of damage. The 0/0 speed is probably due to the most damaged ships in your TF.

TheElf -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 8:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent I think this is a case of 'morale check' failure by your TF commander.... Closing the airfield may help in this case or providing some LRCAP. Even if the latter is unefficient, it may be enough to keep the TF in the hex. Another strategy will be to send a surface TF in the same hex, so they will draw part of the attack. I don't think that in your case the PT boat was the cause of the withdrawal, as it was sunk during the turn. But the aerial attacks did a lot of damage. The 0/0 speed is probably due to the most damaged ships in your TF. If you look at the combat report, there were 2 PT boats in the PM hex. One was sunk by the an invasion TF already in the PM hex during the night phase, the other PT boat was sunk during a daytime Surface combat action by the Invasion TF in question AFTER it took a beating by my LBA. I don't know. I think there are several invasion TFs. My screen i sred with smatterings of blue and brown behind it. Lots of TFs...

fdeutsch -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 8:54:00 PM)
In fact I have 2 Transport TF tha attempt to land and don't think I can close the airfield.

fdeutsch -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 8:55:00 PM)
Complement : All naval opposition are now cleared

Bendarek -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/22/2005 10:55:13 PM)
I have looked for a value in regards to moral for the commander and/or crew of a ship. Is this a hidden value, and if so why? LCU's and aircraft have a visible moral value, why not ships?

TheElf -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/23/2005 12:35:18 AM)
Based on the above posts can any of the resident experts on this forum give us a definitive answer on this? I would like to continue playing this PBEM normally but would prefer to do so with the concurrence of my opponent, and his blessing.

mogami -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/23/2005 12:43:27 AM)
Hi, When a transport TF encounters enemy surface TF it backs up 1 hex.

fdeutsch -> RE: Transport TF not landing : bug or feature (8/23/2005 2:49:52 AM)
After your response, you now continue the pbem. And as the all allied ships have been sunk now, the landing was succesful.

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