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Tom Hunter -> RE: Manila liberated (12/9/2005 12:16:28 AM)
I begin to think that Hoepner handed you an opportunity when he lost so much stuff at Java. He will not be able to organize a force powerful enough to hit back while you are working on Russia. That is a huge benefit. For contrast look at my build up in New Caledonia. If we assume your invasion of Russia starts in May it will certainly take more than 30 days to finish the place off. If you look at my lunacy AAR you can see a lot of detail about the force that could come after Japan in the South Pacific. Then you have the choice of responding there and weakening the Russian offensive or not responding and watching the Allies advance. But it will take Hoepner until August to reach the force levels I have in June, so you are pretty safe. Also his surface combat fleet is very weak right now which is another big bonus for you.

hawker -> RE: Manila liberated (12/9/2005 12:31:04 AM)
Tom, He placed some 60 units on Jawa,big time mistake. He is weak in other places. I am bring to Jawa everything,21,5,18,imp.guards,38,4,56,guards div. from Japan,all regiments,all tank regiments,all eng.units. Jawa will be short work[;)]. I know he cant launch any offensive in south pacific for lets say 6 months. I have 2nd div. and SSD stationed in south pacific and many betty bombers.Recon planes (emilly) is in Rabaul,PM,and Lunga to give me early warning. I feel pretty safe,everything is going weel except China[:(]

mc3744 -> RE: Manila liberated (12/9/2005 1:08:14 AM)
Judging from this game and from my game with GH, I'd say that GH is much better on the offensive. Which is good right now. But watch out, never underestimate him. I think he is a very good attacker, despite his defensive mistakes (or at least that's how I see them). He has however lost a lot of assests, maybe some too many [;)]

hawker -> JAWA (12/11/2005 5:04:34 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/21/42 I beign bussy several days,now i will bring back to life this AAR. JAWA My troops has reach Medioen and start first deliberate attack.I manage to crush one fort,but only 0-1 ratio.I think Medioen should fall within 5 days. Here is complete list of troops engaged in Jawa: HQ: -Southern area army -25th army -14th army -5th air division -23rd air flotilla -22nd air flotilla -21st air flotilla INFANTRY: -38th div. -Imperial guards -5th div. -4th div. -48th div. -21st div. -1st guards mixed bde -18th div. -16th div. -4th mixed bde -35th bde -56th bde -23rd mixed bde -21st mixed bde -4th mixed bde ARMOUR: -2,4,6,7,14 tank regiment ENGINERS: -four enginer regiments ARTILLERY: -eight artillery units I have 500 LB and 300 fighters stationed in Batavia. It is almost half a milion men in Jawa. I bring all this troops there becouse i must take Jawa asap,liberate those divisions before attack on Russia. I will need perfect timing. KB is sent to Japan,carriers will be repaired and upgraded,some aircraft will go on training missions. I pick Ise for Shokaku(14 sys)repair yard. Some destroyers will be upgraded also.

Tom Hunter -> RE: JAWA (12/11/2005 5:41:48 PM)
"I will need perfect timing. " -Hawker Your right about that, there are certain similarities between this game and my Lunacy game with Mogami. One is that if the Japanese fall behind the Allies can catch up really quickly. I think that was a critical problem for Mogami, he needed to get troops onto New Caledonia quickly and Manila's long siege prevented that.

hawker -> RE: JAWA (12/15/2005 6:59:12 PM)
AAR for 22.04-28.04. 1942 DEI Mighty Japanese troops crush another fort in Medioen (initially forts are at 7). He now have fort level of 4. Troops will rest one day and then deliberate again,In ten days all must be over. Bombarders from Batavia regulary bombard his position every day. Sumatra is conquered except one base. AF in Sabang almost reach level 4,then my bettys will be stationed there to take control of Bengal bay. I did a great surprise attack on Koepang[:D]. He transfers bombers that he used in Jawa to Koepang and left there only one base force. Imperial command see the oportunity and transfers 3 para units to Celebes. All this is doing in great secrecy. I quicly gather 140 transports in Celebes and lunch attack on Koepang with paras. Action was succes and we take the base,more than 100 allied aircraft destroyed on field[:D]. Ground combat at Madioen Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 294928 troops, 2518 guns, 605 vehicles Defending force 75057 troops, 645 guns, 453 vehicles Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 4) Japanese ground losses: 5996 casualties reported Guns lost 132 Vehicles lost 17 Allied ground losses: 3661 casualties reported Guns lost 103 Vehicles lost 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BURMA I am stuck in Moulmein becouse lack of troops,that will be changed after Jawa.He has 30 units there[X(]. After Jawa i will sent some reinforcements only to maintain status quo. I just cant fight everywhere. JAPAN Home islands is oversupplied[8D]. KB is resting and repairing in Maizuru,Ise,Osaka,Tokio and Nagasaki. RUSSIA I gather 7000+APs for attack on Vladivostok. Less than two week and we launch "Operation Barbarossa" I will soon post some maps with strategic evaluations.

hawker -> RE: JAWA (12/19/2005 6:15:51 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/02/42 DEI My land DS crush yet another fort at Medioen. Fort level is now 2,tomorrows deliberate attack will destroy Medioen. However,my air forces in Jawa will bombard place tommorow and then i will reassigned them to Russia. I want bombard Vladivostok 10.5 to pieces. All bombers along with fighters will be transfer to Russia. Day Air attack on Madioen , at 22,65 (Storm over Medioen) Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 54 Ki-21 Sally x 237 Ki-48 Lily x 80 Ki-49 Helen x 52 Ki-46-II Dinah x 17 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 4 damaged Ki-48 Lily: 6 damaged Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 210 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Airbase hits 26 Airbase supply hits 29 Runway hits 373 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Madioen Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 285073 troops, 2240 guns, 578 vehicles Defending force 23969 troops, 127 guns, 106 vehicles Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese ground losses: 475 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Vehicles lost 6 Allied ground losses: 1233 casualties reported[:D] Guns lost 37 Vehicles lost 11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RUSSIA Preparations for attack is almost complete. I gather 7000APs for initial attack along with PDU make Oscars(150). He cannot confront me in Russia,those units will fight untill Jawa units came. JAPAN 150 zeros is already in Japan airfields ready to be sent in Russia. KB is repairing well,before the end of year i will have my CVs upgraded and ready for battle. BB Yamato will be delivered in 17 days[;)]. Soon,i will post overall picture.

hawker -> RE: JAWA (1/4/2006 7:37:34 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/07/42 After long hollidays we are back to game. MALAYA-SUMATRA Everything is quiet here.Brave Japanese soldiers crush last allied base in Sumatra. Whole island is liberated. Singapore is growing and will be turn to powerfull strongpoint. JAWA Battle for Jawa is close to end,after Medioen tommorow will fall last base before Soserbaya. Half a milion Japanese soldiers is here. Every two days Soserbaya is bombarded by BB fleet under command of Raizo Tanaka. Casulties is very high for allies,every turn of bombardment-6000 disabled men in Soserbaya and noumerous supply points. CHINA Complete mess!I will try to hold the ground while battle for Jawa finnish. PACIFIC Totally quiet,Japanese enginers building strongpoints here RUSSIA Two days before attack!! 10.5.1942 1500 planes will hit Vladivostok. First attack must be without mercy. I manage to collect 8000+ APs on Russia border. Soon,i will post ship losses.

Tom Hunter -> RE: JAWA (1/5/2006 12:28:22 AM)
Glad you two are back at it, always an interesting read.

hawker -> RE: JAWA (1/5/2006 6:39:10 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/08/42 Today,Malang fall. Only strongpoint left is Soserbaya. He has 65 units there,maybe someone will calculate how much VP for them[:D][:D][:D]. Ground combat at Malang Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 276552 troops, 2272 guns, 614 vehicles Defending force 1857 troops, 8 guns, 1 vehicles Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Japanese assault odds: 11688 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese forces CAPTURE Malang base !!! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses TBD Devastator: 1 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 6 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 412 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHIPS LOSSES ALLIED BB -1 CA -10 CL -10 CLAA -1 DD -32 AP/AK-49 TK/AO-5 SS -22 PT -21 PG -2 MSW -9 ML -1 AVD -2 AV -1 AS -2 JAPANESE DD -7 AP/AK-17 TK/AO-6 SS -21 PG -2 MSW -26 ML -4

hawker -> DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 10:22:29 AM)
Disaster!! Not becouse my mistake and not becouse GH good play. Two days in the row not a single plain take off from Mutankiang to attack Vladivostok.Weather is very good and still this damn plains dont want to take off. Attack is ruined completely,everything is depending on these planes. Looks like i have to0 big opponent-GAME ENGINE and BUGS!!!. I am furious,months of careful planning-all for nothing. If planes start flying now,it doesnt matter anymore-ITS TOO LATE.

pauk -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 10:46:28 AM)
i guess that you have all requirements: level size * 50 planes (no overloading with ac) enough of supply Air HQ present... What you described happends to me also quite a often....

hawker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 10:56:08 AM)
Hi Pauk, Its little overloaded but i have 3x supply needed and two air brigade HQ

hawker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 10:57:11 AM)
In Batavia I have 1000 planes and they are flying.

Andy Mac -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 11:27:16 AM)
I assume morale is high fatigue is low and that despite the weather forcast the AF wasnt closed by a freak tornado ? I also assume you have sufficient fighters to escort your bombers and that the aircraft are ordered to a non ground attack mission i.e. AF attack ? Andy

hawker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 11:35:30 AM)
Ansy, I have 300 fighters on escort,morale 99(last month these fighters only fly training missions) Bombers are set to AF attack. Weather is perfect.

hawker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 11:37:28 AM)
Pardon on mistake of spelling your nick Andy.I am so furious,i didnt do spellcheck.

invernomuto -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 12:16:13 PM)
quote: Ansy, I have 300 fighters on escort,morale 99(last month these fighters only fly training missions) Bombers are set to AF attack. Weather is perfect. It happens to me too. The planes simply refuse to take off for no reason. Supply is OK, weather is clear and all the requirements seems (at least to me) to be ok. But what really upset me is the fact that the game DO NOT tell why the planes do not take off. It would be sufficient a short message in the operation reports, like "air group XY does not take off from Batavia because of insufficent supply reqirements". Next turn I would try to fix the problem. The game instead tells noting and you have to guess where the problem is, losing precious time (time for japan is the most valuabel resource). Bye

ADavidB -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 1:14:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hawker Disaster!! Not becouse my mistake and not becouse GH good play. Two days in the row not a single plain take off from Mutankiang to attack Vladivostok.Weather is very good and still this damn plains dont want to take off. Attack is ruined completely,everything is depending on these planes. Looks like i have to0 big opponent-GAME ENGINE and BUGS!!!. I am furious,months of careful planning-all for nothing. If planes start flying now,it doesnt matter anymore-ITS TOO LATE. Fundamentally, NEVER count upon an LBA attack to be the "key" to some operation. The only time that you can count on LBA or any other air attacks is on the very first turn of a game because the weather is always set to "clear" on the first turn. I think that next game I start I will insist on having "advanced weather effects" set to "off". Take care - Dave Baranyi

Ron Saueracker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 1:23:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hawker In Batavia I have 1000 planes and they are flying. [8\|]

Ron Saueracker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 1:24:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hawker Hi Pauk, Its little overloaded but i have 3x supply needed and two air brigade HQ [X(] 3x supply...sounds like oodles of supply.

Kereguelen -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 1:53:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hawker I have 300 fighters on escort,morale 99(last month these fighters only fly training missions) Bombers are set to AF attack. Weather is perfect. Fighter planes are set to escort bombers to target destination and with enough range allowed to reach target? Happened to me that my fighter escorts were not having sufficient range allowed when I wanted to hit a target with escorted bombers (just because you mentioned that they were on training mission before, maybe with "0" range?).

hawker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 2:47:32 PM)
Things get even worse. I moved away some planes to other AF and now i have 500 planes in Mutankiang and 500 planes in other airport.This is overstacking but GH overstacks all the time. Guess what,nates take off along with oscars but zeros didnt!!! Off course nates are decimated. One more thing, I encounter north off Vladivostok one Russian unit. My 7000APs against one unit,i win but this unit didnt retreat south,is this some kind of joke. This whole Russia thing sucks and bugs are everywhere. I cannot fight that,i even spend PPs to convert some zeros to Kwantung with no result. After Jawa i am going to defence,i wont surrender but war is over anyway.Russia is activated and he can destroy my industry in Japan easy.My aircrafts has no wish to fly and i am doomed. I put all efforts and hopes in this Russia thing,i will try one more time,but defeat is inevitable

hawker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 2:59:27 PM)
He has 700+ aircrafts in Vladivostok,but they are fly.

String -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 4:02:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hawker He has 700+ aircrafts in Vladivostok,but they are fly. Vladivostok is also a level 9 airfield. I'm sorry to say this but oversights and having bad luck doesn't count as bugs. And you can never know how many Hoepners missions don't fly, you get no notification for them and I doubt he would tell you that for example, he has 2435 B-29's on Iwo Jima but they have refused to fly for the last 3 turns. BTW, do you have clouds turned on? I was thinking that my planes didn't fly in clear weather either, then I discovered that I had somehow turned clouds off, and actually most of the time, if not all, my bases had been rained in. Even with clear broadcasts, occasional clouds can still happen.

AmiralLaurent -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 4:59:52 PM)
Before you really lose your temper, 1) Japanese air units won't fly against Soviet targets before the border is crossed. You can't bomb Russia the first turn of the war. It's not a bug but a (bad IMOO) game design. 2) the Soviet unit you attack N of Vladivostok is a static fortress unit and can't retreat, it will eventually surrender, like did surrounded units, but will be as tough as Chinese to destroy. They usually will last some days or a week. You have to get trough fortifications and it is costing time. 3) from a overstacked airfield, 25% and then 50% of AC won't fly, according to manual, depending of the overstacking. It seems to me that the 50% penalty never applies, or maybe it is 50% of the AC above the maximum allowed that don't fly, but one thing I am sure is that the penalty is applied to whole units and not to 25% of all units in the field. And as always in WITP the game is ordering the units by database orders and Nates units have lower DB numbers than Zeroes so they are under the AF limitation while Zeroes are wholly suffering of it (they are the 25 or 50% units grounded). Again it is bad design rather than a real bug. The best way to neutralize Vladivostok AF is BB, but I think yours are off Java. I will advice you to not use Nates over Siberia at all, Soviet fighters will slaugther them anytime.

Speedysteve -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 5:04:53 PM)
Doesn't Vladivostock also have a CD unit or 2? Just thinking regarding the option of sea bombardment...........

AmiralLaurent -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/6/2006 7:32:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Speedy Doesn't Vladivostock also have a CD unit or 2? Just thinking regarding the option of sea bombardment........... Yes, so it's not a good idea to send cruisers or DD but a BB squadron (4+ BBs) will overwhelm CD defenses with very probably no loss, even if one BB or two may get damaged. Especially with the fact that Soviet have no torpedoes, no minefields and big Japanese ports are nearby.

hawker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/7/2006 10:35:24 AM)
First some answers, quote: Japanese air units won't fly against Soviet targets before the border is crossed. You can't bomb Russia the first turn of the war. It's not a bug but a (bad IMOO) game design. Russia is activated month ago,so that rule is accomplished[;)] quote: Yes, so it's not a good idea to send cruisers or DD but a BB squadron (4+ BBs) will overwhelm CD defenses with very probably no loss, even if one BB or two may get damaged. Especially with the fact that Soviet have no torpedoes, no minefields and big Japanese ports are nearby. My BBs are in Jawa,soon they be at Vladivostok AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/16/42 JAWA Forts are down to 7,every two days with combo bombers-BBs i manage to disable arround 10000 men. The end is near. Soon,half a milion troops will be free for attack elsewhere. Naval bombardment of Soerabaja, at 23,66 Japanese Ships DD Hayate DD Harukaze DD Yugiri DD Asagiri DD Isonami DD Natsugumo DD Tanikaze DD Hagikaze DD Urakaze DD Akigumo CL Kuma CL Natori CA Mogami CA Atago CA Chikuma CA Tone BB Hyuga BB Ise BB Yamashiro BB Fuso BB Nagato BB Kirishima BB Hiei BB Haruna BB Kongo Allied ground losses: 7941 casualties reported Guns lost 83 Vehicles lost 3 Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 64 Port hits 24 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Soerabaja Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 275701 troops, 2171 guns, 629 vehicles Defending force 77130 troops, 493 guns, 435 vehicles Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 7 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7) Japanese ground losses: 6418 casualties reported Guns lost 80 Vehicles lost 9 Allied ground losses: 4147 casualties reported Guns lost 101 Vehicles lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RUSSIA My aircrsfts still wont fly[:(]. Anyway,i push reds from north of Vladivostok destroying unit that blocks me way south,battle for Vladivostok will soon occur.

hawker -> RE: DISASTER!!!! (1/7/2006 12:53:15 PM)
One more thing to add, Imperial HQ decide that after Jawa main forces of Southern area army will set sail to HK.I gathered 250 transport ships at Jawa. Idea is surprise,he will be very surprised when he see 10 elite divisions of Southern area in China. With this i will kick him out from China and secure Russia invasion. I must do that becouse my position in China is vulnerable and he may try counterattack there. Beecouse of losses he suffered in Jawa he wont be able to any counter-attack in DEI while Southern area army deals with those poor chinese[;)]

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