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DandricSturm -> Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 10:37:45 PM)

I'm thinking of a battle




RBWhite -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 10:45:48 PM)

Was The battle fought between the years 1800 through 1899?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 10:51:37 PM)

1. 1800-1899? No.




Bill Durrant -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 10:53:46 PM)

WW2?




Terminus -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 10:54:05 PM)

1900-1999?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 10:58:02 PM)

2. WWII? No.
3. 1900-1999? No.




Terminus -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:00:18 PM)

Are we talking the ancient world?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:03:09 PM)

1. 1800-1899? No.
2. WWII? No.
3. 1900-1999? No.
4. Ancient? Yes.




Terminus -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:05:14 PM)

Was it during the time of the Roman Republic?




Tankerace -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:10:30 PM)

Did it involve Alexander the Great?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:13:15 PM)

1. 1800-1899? No.
2. WWII? No.
3. 1900-1999? No.
4. Ancient? Yes.
5. 510-23 BC? Yes.
Hint: A land battle in which the sea played a part.

quote:

Did it involve Alexander the Great?

No




Tankerace -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:17:22 PM)

Battle of Marathon?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:19:58 PM)

1. 1800-1899? No.
2. WWII? No.
3. 1900-1999? No.
4. Ancient? Yes.
5. 510-23 BC? (Time of the Roman Republic) Yes.
Hint: A land battle in which the sea played a part.
6. Alex? No.
7. Marathon? No.




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:27:15 PM)

I have to go out for about 20 minutes.




diesel7013 -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:30:32 PM)

Did it occur in Western Med ( ie Italy, Sicily )?




Terminus -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/15/2005 11:31:30 PM)

Were the Romans on one side of this battle?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:06:25 AM)

1. 1800-1899? No.
2. WWII? No.
3. 1900-1999? No.
4. Ancient? Yes.
5. 510-23 BC? (Time of the Roman Republic) Yes.
Hint: A land battle in which the sea played a part.
6. Alex? No.
7. Marathon? No.
8. Western Med? No.
9. Romans? No.




Terminus -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:16:05 AM)

Were the Persians one of the sides?




The Other Kingmaker -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:17:45 AM)

Salamis ?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:18:08 AM)

1. 1800-1899? No.
2. WWII? No.
3. 1900-1999? No.
4. Ancient? Yes.
5. 510-23 BC? (Time of the Roman Republic) Yes.
Hint: A land battle in which the sea played a part.
6. Alex? No.
7. Marathon? No.
8. Western Med? No.
9. Romans? No.
10. Persians? Yes.
Hint #2: (Trying not to be too laconic) Comic book.




Terminus -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:23:22 AM)

Were the Spartans involved?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:30:12 AM)

1. 1800-1899? No.
2. WWII? No.
3. 1900-1999? No.
4. Ancient? Yes.
5. 510-23 BC? (Time of the Roman Republic) Yes.
Hint: A land battle in which the sea played a part.
6. Alex? No.
7. Marathon? No.
8. Western Med? No.
9. Romans? No.
10. Persians? Yes.
Hint #2: (Trying not to be too laconic) Comic book.
11. Spartans? Yes.




Bill Durrant -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:44:23 AM)

Plataea?




Terminus -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:48:14 AM)

Of course, it can't be as easy as Thermopylae?




DandricSturm -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:51:47 AM)

Sorry, I missed the Salamis guess.

Battle of Thermopylae

From Wikipedia
The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning;
His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air,
And he that stands will die for nought, and home there's no returning.
The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair.

In 484 BC the army and navy of Xerxes arrived in Asia Minor and built a bridge of ships across the Hellespont at Abydos to march his troops across. According to Herodotus, Xerxes had over five million men, while the poet Simonides estimated three million; Herodotus also wrote that the army drank entire rivers and ate the food supplies of entire cities. While these are certainly exaggerations, it is clear the Greeks were enormously outnumbered.

…the deeply superstitious Spartans contributed only a small force of 300 hoplites, hand-picked and commanded by King Leonidas. The loyalty of Thebans to the Greek alliance was questioned by others, and so Leonidas insisted that a contingent of Thebans lead by Leontiades the son of Eurymachos join the small allied army.

Knowing the likely outcome of the battle, Leonidas selected his men on one simple criterion: he took only men who had fathered sons that were old enough to take over the family responsibilities of their fathers. The rationale behind this criterion was that the Spartans knew their death was almost certain at Thermopylae.

….Leonidas realized that further fighting would be futile. On August 11 he dismissed all but what remained of the 300 Spartans, who had already resigned themselves to fighting to the death. However, a contingent of about 600 Thespians, led by Demophilus, refused to leave with the other Greeks. Instead, they chose to stay in the suicidal effort to delay the advance. The significance of the Thespians' refusal should not be passed over. The Spartans, brave as their sacrifice indubitably was, were professional soldiers, trained from birth to be ready to give their lives in combat as Spartan law dictated. Conversely, the Thespians were citizen-soldiers (Demophilus, for example, made his living as an architect) who elected to add whatever they could to the fight, rather than allow the Spartans to be annihilated alone. Though their bravery is often overlooked by history, it was most certainly not overlooked by the Spartans, who are said to have exchanged cloaks with the Thespians and promised to be allies for eternity.

The fighting was said to have been extremely brutal, even for hoplite combat. As their numbers deminished the Greeks retreated to a small hill in the narrowest part of the pass. The Thebans took this opportunity to surrender to the Persians. After their spears broke, the Spartans and Thespians kept fighting with their xiphos short swords, and after those broke, they were said to have fought with their bare hands and teeth. Although the Greeks killed many Persians, including two of Xerxes' brothers, Leonidas was eventually killed, but rather than surrender the Spartans fought fanatically to defend his body. To avoid losing any more men the Persians killed the last of the Spartans with flights of arrows.

The epigram originated in Greece as a form for inscription on a monument or grave, hence the word 'epigram' from the Greek words meaning 'to write on'. Epigrams were thus much shorter than lyric poetry which developed from forms designed for performance accompanied by musical instruments.
One such monument inscription is Simonides's epitaph for the Spartan dead after the Battle of Thermopylae,which can be found in Herodotus' work The Histories (7.228), to the Spartans:

ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
(O xein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti täde/
κείμεθα τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
keimetha tois keinon rhämasi peithomenoi.)
Which to keep the poetic context can be translated as:
Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by
that here, obedient to their laws we lie

While a technical victory for the Persians, the enormous casualties caused by a few thousand Greeks was a significant blow to the Persian army. Likewise, it significantly boosted the resolve of the Greeks to face the Persian onslaught. The simultaneous naval Battle of Artemisium was a draw, whereupon the Greek (or more accurately, Athenian) navy retreated. The Persians had control of the Aegean Sea and all of Greece as far south as Attica; the Spartans prepared to defend the Isthmus of Corinth and the Peloponnese, while Xerxes sacked Athens, whose inhabitants had already fled to Salamis Island. In September the Greeks defeated the Persians at the naval Battle of Salamis, which led to the rapid retreat of Xerxes. The remaining Persian army, left under the charge of Mardonius, was defeated in the Battle of Plataea by a combined Greek army again led by the Spartans, under the regent Pausanias.




Terminus -> RE: Twenty Questions Again (10/16/2005 12:59:31 AM)

Well, I guess it could be that easy... My turn!




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