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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

During sea ASW testing I, apparently, discovered one rather strange thing... the TF (even if it is ASW TF) would not want to go to HEX you desire to go due to discovered submarines threats (i.e. it would plot totally different path ending in totally different end HEX near by) - 100% weird!

Can someone please verify this?

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ORIGINAL: mantill

Yes, I have seen this on many occasions. In fact, if you NEED a TF to pass along a specified pass I find it helps to plot its course day to day, or at least keep an eye on what it is doing every day. It is a useful feature because your CS TF's won't just plod over a spotted sub so you don't have to track them all the time or turn off the CS when a sub shows up.

I have seen TF's use evasive courses even when no known sub is in the area. Why I am not exactly sure but I always assumed they were reacting to the sum of known knowledge, i.e. subs further alongthere path, or perhaps from previous reports and radio intercepts.

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ORIGINAL: Halsey

This has been around since UV.[;)]
Nothin new here.

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

That doesn't make any sense to me. I had subs all over the Takao area and didn't have the slightest problem plotting ASW TF's into them. Usually the TF's were going cruise speed with the distance only being one or two hexes. They had a number of hexes that were seemingly without subs if they wished to chicken out.

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

You know, bear with me for a minute, I know this sin't going to sound good coming straight out, but maybe it's adjusting because you're playing retarded. I can think of no other reason when I compare it to what I've encountered. For example, how sane is it for you to plot to a very distant sub, where you see plenty of ones nearby, thereby exposing yourself to more attacks, to say nothing of the difficultly getting back, even for an ASW. The funny thing is that it took a path that included an empty hex, btu by so doing exposed itself to just as much subs as if it had taken your path (although you have no safe hex).

Have you considered the courses of the subs into your difficulties? For example, the plot it has taken, if you were to factor in the courses, assuming it thinks some of those subs will move, may end up with it's redone path being completely clear. In my Takao situations most of the subs are stationary until I hit them, or if not that at least are still there by the time the ASW TF's get there. Just remember, that while you and I know that the subs may be stationary, the computer may just react on the course and the speed (as there is no stop) since there's none of them, mapwise, that say they are stopped.

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Are you really playing scen15 with no alteration?

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In thread (link below) I created scenario for AWS testing:

"Leo's ASW TEST (and scenario) - problems spotted!"

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=967245

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Based on the thinking that the AI is considering the courses and perhaps the speeds of the sub, what courses do those subs have? Are they all the same?

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Based on the thinking that the AI is considering the courses and perhaps the speeds of the sub, what courses do those subs have? Are they all the same?

All submaries are stationary and have their target HEX selected as HEX where they are in with "Patrol - Do Not retire". BTW, this is 2nd turn in scenario and submarines didn't move at all...


Leo "Apollo11"

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Okay, but I thought you might had started out with scen15 and edited it to get that surround-sub routine. That would be a test too from what I'm thinking, though it would be less convenient I would assume.

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

I still can't understand it, because I've never had that problem with ASW TF's. My last version was 1.602. You ever see this before 1.602 with ASW TF's?