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Kereguelen -> How to get rid of enemy LRCAP? (10/18/2005 2:10:00 PM)

Hi,

some advice/help needed:

PBEM, playing Allies, following situation:

Japanese ground forces located due west of Mandalay. Zeros flying LRCAP from either Moulmein or Tavoy (Rangoon heavily damaged, no enemy planes at Pagan). Trying to fly ground-attacks on Japanese forces from various airbases (Mandalay, Imphal, Chandpur), plenty of escorts available for medium bombers. All bombers and fighters are experienced (mostly XP 75+). But no bombers fly any attacks on Japanese forces. Tried to fly fighter sweeps against his LRCAP: No sweeps were launched (because it is no base hex?). Tried to put my own LRCAP over the hex to counter his: My fighters did what they ordered to do (I know this because they appeared when my recon planes came in), but no air combat with Japanese fighters occured. Don't know what to do, he seems to be immune to any air strikes[:@].

Any help/advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

K



mc3744 -> RE: How to get rid of enemy LRCAP? (10/18/2005 3:09:42 PM)

Hi K [:)]

Ground attack missions are the most difficult to fly. Sometimes it takes a week before on LB takes off.
Especially with the weather in Burma.

There's no way to fight a LRCAP, the only one - as you already did - is to attack the belonging airfiled.
And of course to escort your LB's. The escort would engage.
On the bright side the tire quite quickly and with Zero's the op losses start to climb. You opponent shouldn't be able to maintain for long an effective LRCAP. However if he can rotate the daitai's there's little left to do.



Speedysteve -> RE: How to get rid of enemy LRCAP? (10/18/2005 3:26:28 PM)

Hi there,

there is no direct 'intercept LRCAP' mission but having your own CAP flying over the target base will lead to air battles 'behind the scenes' which may cause losses to the enemy.

Regards,

Steven



DFalcon -> RE: How to get rid of enemy LRCAP? (10/18/2005 4:06:01 PM)

I have flown successful sweeps against long range cap.



Kereguelen -> RE: How to get rid of enemy LRCAP? (10/18/2005 5:15:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mc3744

Hi K [:)]

Ground attack missions are the most difficult to fly. Sometimes it takes a week before on LB takes off.
Especially with the weather in Burma.

There's no way to fight a LRCAP, the only one - as you already did - is to attack the belonging airfiled.
And of course to escort your LB's. The escort would engage.
On the bright side the tire quite quickly and with Zero's the op losses start to climb. You opponent shouldn't be able to maintain for long an effective LRCAP. However if he can rotate the daitai's there's little left to do.


Hi mc[:)]

I was always thinking that fighter sweeps are meant to engage CAP. I know that they do exactly this when sent to engage enemy CAP over bases, but it seems not to work over hexes that do not contain a base (or a carrier?). The rules state that sweep missions "will try to draw enemy CAP over the target hex into an air-to-air engagemen". I've not received any message like "air missions of base xy are cancelled due to bad weather" when I tried to sweep the target hex (for some consecutive turns). And by trying to counter LRCAP with LRCAP (as described in my opening post) there also was no a2a combat.

I noticed this just recently in my PBEM. There might have been other reasons for my failure to attack that Japanese ground forces, but I don't know which this might have been (some other missions were cancelled due to bad weather, but not the sweep missions). Thus it seems that sweeps do not work against non-base hexes.

Btw, my opponent takes op losses, and he seems to rotate the daitais that do LRCAP.

K



Captain Cruft -> RE: How to get rid of enemy LRCAP? (10/18/2005 6:07:24 PM)

LRCAP can only be applied over a base, a TF or a hex where you have LCUs.
Sweep can only be directed at an enemy base.

Try Ground Attack with fighter bombers, fighters or dive bombers rather then level bombers. They are much more likely to fly.



Kereguelen -> RE: How to get rid of enemy LRCAP? (10/18/2005 7:25:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

LRCAP can only be applied over a base, a TF or a hex where you have LCUs.


No, I'm able to fly LRCAP over enemy units without having own forces in that hex (as described above).

quote:

Sweep can only be directed at an enemy base.


Yes, I came to the same conclusion. But why?

quote:


Try Ground Attack with fighter bombers, fighters or dive bombers rather then level bombers. They are much more likely to fly.


Seems to be the only solution, but in another PBEM even my fighter-bombers did never launch when there was enemy LRCAP present (tried well over one month/game-time in that game, no way!). However, have yet to try in this game.



Captain Cruft -> RE: How to get rid of enemy LRCAP? (10/18/2005 9:37:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

LRCAP can only be applied over a base, a TF or a hex where you have LCUs.


No, I'm able to fly LRCAP over enemy units without having own forces in that hex (as described above).


Oh OK, good :)

quote:

quote:

Sweep can only be directed at an enemy base.


Yes, I came to the same conclusion. But why?


Who knows? That's the way it is though.

quote:


quote:

Try Ground Attack with fighter bombers, fighters or dive bombers rather then level bombers. They are much more likely to fly.

Seems to be the only solution, but in another PBEM even my fighter-bombers did never launch when there was enemy LRCAP present (tried well over one month/game-time in that game, no way!). However, have yet to try in this game.


Escort the FBs with some other FBs or fighters.



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