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Marc -> Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 12:44:31 AM)

Can somebody tell me the difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squads?

My understanding is Engineers are non combat units and IJA Engineer Squads are front line units (bunker killer...)
But treats the game these units differently.

Marc



Bradley7735 -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 12:55:50 AM)

Both perform construction. Only one will engage in offensive combat and can reduce fortifications.



Speedysteve -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 12:56:41 AM)

Hi Marc,

My understanding is as you say the IJA Eng squads also act as combat engineers and aid the ability to reduce enemy fortifications.

ENG squads purely act as base enginers to increase fortifactions and repair/expand the base.

Regards,

Steven



esteban -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 3:37:34 AM)

Of course, none of this prevents me from sending my construction battalions into the front lines!

There are no rear echelon jobs in my Imperial Japanese Army!! :)



PimpYourAFV -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 4:40:41 AM)


I'm glad I'm not in esteban's army. I'd hate to have to fight with a pen. Worse could be throwing crates of bananas as arty support.



Yamato hugger -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 6:16:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TokyoBoyTensai


I'm glad I'm not in esteban's army. I'd hate to have to fight with a pen. Worse could be throwing crates of bananas as arty support.


The pen is mightier than the sword [:D]



Kereguelen -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 11:11:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Both perform construction. Only one will engage in offensive combat and can reduce fortifications.


Combat engineers (all nations) do not perform construction. Only normal engineers are able to do this. Combat engineers are only good for reducing forts!



Speedysteve -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 1:30:17 PM)

You sure on that K?

From what I see IJA Engineer squads are included in the engineers tally at a base.

Regards,

Steven



Kereguelen -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 1:39:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Speedy

You sure on that K?

From what I see IJA Engineer squads are included in the engineers tally at a base.

Regards,

Steven


Yes, created an engineer regiment with only combat engineers and support squads. Ordered them to construct, they did nothing. The construction abilities of squads seem to be somehow related to their database slot (251).

Oddly there seems to be construction work done, when a unit has both motorized support squads (253) and combat engineers included in its OOB (have you ever noticed the construction speed when Indian tank brigades are present?).

K



Speedysteve -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 1:44:18 PM)

Interesting. I will examine this closer myself.

Cheers,

Steven



Sardaukar -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 2:41:47 PM)

Kereguelen is right. Combat engineers (Engineer Squads) don't do construction even when they are listed in number of engineers in base. They do have assault value and can reduce fortifications. Engineers (without squad after the name) do the construction, but in combat they are treated like second line troops and don't have assault value. They don't, IMHO; reduce forts in combat.



Speedysteve -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 2:43:44 PM)

Hi Sardaukar,

Yes I know that base engineers do not reduce fortifications but always assumed combat engineers added to base construction.

Learn something new every day!

Steven



kkoovvoo -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 3:07:08 PM)

The proofs are Japanese Mongolian Cavalry divisions:

They have IJA engineers squads only (none pure engineers). In bases with mon. cav. division nothing will be constructed.



Sardaukar -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 3:13:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Speedy

Learn something new every day!

Steven


Yes, amazing game !! I don't think there are many as complex games as this. I was bit surprised myself about combat engineers not constructing anything. Some of the stuff makes one wonder if they are bugs or WAD (working as designed) [:D]. But I can live with this one, it's important detail for scenario designers to remember, though.



Milman -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 3:55:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Combat engineers (Engineer Squads) don't do construction even when they are listed in number of engineers in base.


Do combat engineers repair damage on airfields & ports ?



Terminus -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 3:58:04 PM)

Nope... Combat engineers are for blowing stuff up, not for repairing it.



Sonny -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/21/2005 5:03:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Nope... Combat engineers are for blowing stuff up, not for repairing it.


Wow! What a good job to have![8D]



Charles2222 -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/22/2005 9:27:16 AM)

It's pretty funny to me, because I always took the useless engineers to places to build things and repair, simply for the reason that their not having any assault points would make them usless otherwise. And then the combat variety I knew would reduce forts, plus they have some handy assault values, so naturally they didn't go for useless base building and such. I guess I just had more then my share of useless engineers so that the roles never got crossed up, even being ignorant of how they working in their entirety.



Sardaukar -> RE: Difference between Engineers and IJA Engineer Squad? (10/22/2005 1:59:30 PM)

If Combat Engineers will build fort levels too, that'd be a good way to reduce base building rate by removing Engineers from most units and leave them only into specialized construction units and base forces.



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