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Taglia -> Training air mission effectiveness (10/25/2005 6:47:39 PM)

Hi
I wondered how much is "Training" mission effective for air groups, when one doesn't want to risk his planes and men in "active combat training" (like shelling airfields and so on)


  • Does it help to regain morale of air units?
  • How much is the experience increase?
  • Is there a limit to the increase, or a experience value that once reached makes it difficult to have more improvement?
  • How much percentage of the Training mission should I allocate for each unit?


Thanks for the feedback [:)]



dereck -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/25/2005 7:06:14 PM)

I've found Training missions to be real slow at times.

The best experience gains I've gained has been a trick of sending transport and bombers to supply their own base ... OR if an empty enemy base is nearby I will bomb it skyhigh over and over. In the Solomons I never captured the Russel Islands and used it to train my squadrons around there up into the 90s.



Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/25/2005 7:53:54 PM)

AFAIK , thrining can only get you upto the experience level available for the date .. i.e USAAF cant train above 60? in 1442 but can get to 65 in 1943..

I am not entirely sure about this , but i use training for the dutch reconstituded groups that arrive at 20-30 exp after the fall of the DEI. as stated above bombers are easy to train. fighters and torpedo a/c are damn tricky, mostly due to range restrictions. If you can grap a jap base wth troops on, DO NOT kill them off with the infantry. keep them in the jungle and ground attack with fighters. slowly but surely you will get some 1/2 decent fighter pilots.



scott64 -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/25/2005 8:09:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

AFAIK , thrining can only get you upto the experience level available for the date .. i.e USAAF cant train above 60? in 1442 but can get to 65 in 1943..

I am not entirely sure about this , but i use training for the dutch reconstituded groups that arrive at 20-30 exp after the fall of the DEI. as stated above bombers are easy to train. fighters and torpedo a/c are damn tricky, mostly due to range restrictions. If you can grap a jap base wth troops on, DO NOT kill them off with the infantry. keep them in the jungle and ground attack with fighters. slowly but surely you will get some 1/2 decent fighter pilots.


You mean we have planes and can fly in 1442? [X(][X(]



rtrapasso -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/25/2005 8:14:33 PM)

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You mean we have planes and can fly in 1442?


Yeah, but as mentioned, training is a real b!tch. Hard to get the gasoline for the planes.[:'(]



dereck -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/25/2005 8:39:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

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You mean we have planes and can fly in 1442?


Yeah, but as mentioned, training is a real b!tch. Hard to get the gasoline for the planes.[:'(]


Nah ... just had to have VERY strong arm muscles to flap quickly.



el cid again -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/26/2005 12:39:25 AM)

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You mean we have planes and can fly in 1442?


It is not well known in the USA, but the French Army awarded a prize (to inventor Clement Adler) for flying figure eights in a heavier than air machine about 1885 - many years before Kitty Hawk. And he had to maneuver and fly much farther than the Wright brothers did to win the prize. He wasn't first either - another French flier had taken off with a steam powered aircraft from a ship about the time the US Civil War ended - but it appears the "aircraft" may technically have been a powered glider - its 8 hp engine may not have had enough lift to get it into the air from a normal runway (takeoff was down an inclined ramp). The ONLY record held by the Write brothers includes the words "fully controlled" - the French effort lacked either airleons or flaps (I forget which) - which did not prevent the plane from being controlled.



AmiralLaurent -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/26/2005 12:47:09 AM)

An unit flying training 90% wins an exp point overall every week.

An unit strafing or bombing an enemy target wins an exp point each day. If you rest after each bombing, op losses are long and weather permetting you will probably win 2-3 exp points per day.




Terminus -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/26/2005 12:47:41 AM)

Hmm, some sources I've seen claims that Adler's machine never rose more than eight inches off the ground. He also lied about flying as high as 1,000 feet.

In 1910, the French War Ministry was forced to admit that Adler had been lying about his achievements.




rtrapasso -> RE: Training air mission effectiveness (10/26/2005 3:30:33 PM)

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An unit flying training 90% wins an exp point overall every week.


If you're lucky.

Actually, seems to be dependent on the experience. If you have some unit with exp = 25, training progress is reasonable. It slows as you go higher in exp. Once it hits 50 or so, it is VERY slow. I've had Russian units at 90% training for almost 6 months, and some units are still as low as 52. The problem is further aggravated by OP losses, which means that you bring in another green pilot which will lower average experience...

I think Frag said that experience from regular training missions (not supply runs, not bombing enemy "dots") will top out at 59, 60, or 61 depending on some sort of random factor.



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