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Shannon V. OKeets -> WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/8/2005 7:07:43 PM)

This thread is for the people writing up the naval unit commentaries for MWIF. I will post more info on this later today.




Nails_slith -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/8/2005 9:43:47 PM)

I'm going to start on Germany since I have a source for them available. I'll commit to more after I finish them up.




Smiffus64 -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 10:23:16 AM)

What are your thoughts about using background material found on the internet word for word.
As an example, I found this text on the cruiser HMAS Canberra

quote:

HMAS Canberra, a 9850-ton heavy cruiser of the British Kent class, was built at Glasgow, Scotland. She was commissioned in July 1928 and soon steamed to Australia. Following the outbreak of World War II in September 1939, Canberra mainly operated in Australian and Indian Ocean waters, but also served in the South Atlantic in 1940. In March 1941, she helped to sink the German support ship Ketty Brovig in the Indian Ocean.

In early August 1942, the cruiser participated in Operation "Watchtower", the invasion of Guadalcanal and Tulagi in the southern Solomon Islands. During the early hours of 9 August, while on patrol off Guadalcanal, she was badly damaged in combat with a force of Japanese cruisers. HMAS Canberra was scuttled several hours later, becoming one of the first ships sunk in what would soon be called "Iron Bottom Sound".

Canberra's wreck was discovered and examined in July-August 1992, almost exactly fifty years after her loss. She lies upright on the sea floor, some 2500 feet deep, with visible signs of shell hits and fire damage amidships. Her turrets are still trained out to the port side, as they were during her brief and fatal engagement with the Japanese.


the link to it can be found here




Greyshaft -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 10:42:14 AM)

Absolutely not!!! That is a breach of copyright.

It is OK to use the material found on the internet as references - I get about 95% of my info from there - but your writing must be unique.




Smiffus64 -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 10:44:06 AM)

fair enough, just checking

edit:

Anyway, I'll start with the Australian navy since I found some background material for them already ;)




Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 12:09:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Smiffus64
What are your thoughts about using background material found on the internet word for word.
As an example, I found this text on the cruiser HMAS Canberra

quote:

HMAS Canberra, a 9850-ton heavy cruiser of the British Kent class, was built at Glasgow, Scotland. She was commissioned in July 1928 and soon steamed to Australia. Following the outbreak of World War II in September 1939, Canberra mainly operated in Australian and Indian Ocean waters, but also served in the South Atlantic in 1940. In March 1941, she helped to sink the German support ship Ketty Brovig in the Indian Ocean.

In early August 1942, the cruiser participated in Operation "Watchtower", the invasion of Guadalcanal and Tulagi in the southern Solomon Islands. During the early hours of 9 August, while on patrol off Guadalcanal, she was badly damaged in combat with a force of Japanese cruisers. HMAS Canberra was scuttled several hours later, becoming one of the first ships sunk in what would soon be called "Iron Bottom Sound".

Canberra's wreck was discovered and examined in July-August 1992, almost exactly fifty years after her loss. She lies upright on the sea floor, some 2500 feet deep, with visible signs of shell hits and fire damage amidships. Her turrets are still trained out to the port side, as they were during her brief and fatal engagement with the Japanese.


the link to it can be found here


No one has any desire to deal with lawyers and the joys of copyright infringement.

I suggest finding at least 3 different sources for each ship.

What the ship did during the war and a few details of any action it saw would be nice. Most of the ships of WWII are no longer active, so something about how it spent it's last days could always be thrown in if not much else is of interest. Note that the game already contains the date of each ship's construction, and if it were sunk, the actual day it was sunk.




Smiffus64 -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 12:32:31 PM)

Would this be acceptable? If it needs to be more detailed...

quote:

HMAS Australia, a 10.000 ton Kent class cruiser, was ordered by the Australian government in 1924. Commissioned in 1928, the Australia patrolled the home waters and pacific islands until it was put into the reserve fleet in 1938.

Recomissioned at the onset of world war II it saw action from the Northern Atlantic as convoy escort to the Southwest pacific in support of amphibious operations around Guadalcanal.

On 21 October 1944, during operations in Leyte Gulf in the Phillipines, HMAS Australia was hit by a suicide plane in what some believe was the first Kamikaze attack of the war, killing 29 sailors and wounding another 63.

HMAS Australia was decomissioned in 1954 and sold as scrap in 1955.




Greyshaft -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 1:00:32 PM)

Good stuff! Let me ask you a few questions about the ship just to start a few other thoughts...

* Why was she put in reserve in 1938 - only 10 years old - was she replaced or the government was trying to save money?
* Perhaps refer to the ship as 'she' rather than 'it' - gives more involvement for the reader.
* What happened in the Kamikaze attack! Hit where? Could she still fight? Was that her last action? What battle in the Leyte Gulf?
* What about the following mystery.... "The attack on Australia took place more than twelve hours before Lt. (j.g.) Kuno took off on the first organized Kamikaze mission. This leaves the question, if Kuno did not attack Australia and it was not an organized Kamikaze mission, who attacked Australia and what was their mission? " (ref: quote 2 below)

Check out :
1. http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/waratsea/kamikaze.html
2. http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/rdunn/hms_aust/first_kam.htm

Keep going. I think you're on the right track Just spice it up with the human interest side of the war.




Smiffus64 -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 1:10:32 PM)

gotcha, I'll get on it.




wfzimmerman -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 5:22:24 PM)

Please make sure and include ship nicknames. "Lucky E" for Enterprise, "Big Mo" for Missouri, etc. Foreign language ship nicknames would be an especial lagniappe.




Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 7:15:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Smiffus64
Would this be acceptable? If it needs to be more detailed...

quote:

HMAS Australia, a 10.000 ton Kent class cruiser, was ordered by the Australian government in 1924. Commissioned in 1928, the Australia patrolled the home waters and pacific islands until it was put into the reserve fleet in 1938.

Recomissioned at the onset of world war II it saw action from the Northern Atlantic as convoy escort to the Southwest pacific in support of amphibious operations around Guadalcanal.

On 21 October 1944, during operations in Leyte Gulf in the Phillipines, HMAS Australia was hit by a suicide plane in what some believe was the first Kamikaze attack of the war, killing 29 sailors and wounding another 63.

HMAS Australia was decomissioned in 1954 and sold as scrap in 1955.


Nice. A little dry, as Greyshaft mentioned. (I liked all of Greyshaft's comments.)

I suggest doing a few of these rather quickly without a lot of agonizing over details and reedits. Once you have a half a dozen down, you will have a better understanding of the size and shape of the beast. That will let you make edits both faster and better. Spending a lot of time on any one ship should be a warning sign. Do the easy ones first and come back to any that pose problems later - when you have a broader perspective.

I think these will really be great for adding historical detail to the game.




Greyshaft -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/9/2005 8:45:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I suggest doing a few of these rather quickly without a lot of agonizing over details and reedits. Once you have a half a dozen down, you will have a better understanding of the size and shape of the beast.


I agree. That's eactly how I'm doing the air units. Then once I finish the list I'll post it here for public coment and enhancements.




Froonp -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/10/2005 3:10:11 PM)

quote:

I think these will really be great for adding historical detail to the game.

Yes, but please, while you're at this (looking for details about warships) it would be greater again if you could also locate a good telling picture of the warship as it was typically during the war or 3-view drawings of it, or best, both.
I think that the visual will provide an even better historical taste.
That said, what you write Greyshaft about planes is great great great, I love it. Anyway, I love warbirds [:)].




Greyshaft -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/10/2005 8:44:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp
Yes, but please, while you're at this (looking for details about warships) it would be greater again if you could also locate a good telling picture of the warship as it was typically during the war or 3-view drawings of it, or best, both.

Pictures are subject to copyright. If Matrix wants to include pictures or drawings it will have to pay for them seperately so I'd stick to the commentary for the moment




Greyshaft -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/15/2005 12:38:58 PM)

Hows it goin' Smiffus ?
You still with us Nails?




Nails_slith -> RE: WIF Naval Unit Commentary (11/15/2005 11:55:23 PM)

I outlined all the Germans, just need to put them in paragraph form. I have some tests this week, so I most likely won't resume work on them until the weekend.




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