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Raverdave -> RE: re :china (5/17/2006 11:58:21 AM)
Chungking has 10,000 points of supply :)

Raverdave -> RE: happy new 43 year (5/17/2006 12:03:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pauk it seems that both of us are struck with "Allies-waiting-for-their-toys" bug[:D] Seriously, i'm always for the house rules but realised like you, that certain house rules are two sided coins house rules helps to avoid unhistorical results, but then can help to get unihistorical deployement of the forces - like you've experienced.... .............he who attacks the enemy of ground of his choice is a fool. I move forward when I have a chance of being at least on equal terms, to do anything else is to squander your troops.

Sneer -> RE: re :china (5/17/2006 1:17:37 PM)
and my army slowly reach chungking you saw only probe attacks :-)

pauk -> RE: happy new 43 year (5/17/2006 1:34:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raverdave quote: ORIGINAL: pauk it seems that both of us are struck with "Allies-waiting-for-their-toys" bug[:D] Seriously, i'm always for the house rules but realised like you, that certain house rules are two sided coins house rules helps to avoid unhistorical results, but then can help to get unihistorical deployement of the forces - like you've experienced.... .............he who attacks the enemy of ground of his choice is a fool. I move forward when I have a chance of being at least on equal terms, to do anything else is to squander your troops. greetings, nothing wrong with that. I was refering to house rules. Since you don't have to be afraid of Japanese invasion on Karachi you don't need to have fleet there and you can send it where you want. Like Sneer pointed it is hard to imagine that Brits would send fleet to pacific while India is threaten. It was only the observation, not complain.....[:)]

Sneer -> RE: happy new 43 year (5/17/2006 5:21:54 PM)
4/1/43 4 enemy TF 4 hexes NE of Canton Isl BB&CV&CA spotted raid ? diversion ? Do raverdave expect me to move combined fleet there ? or maybe invasion ? but no transport spotted so far

Sneer -> canton isl (5/18/2006 5:39:20 PM)
1/5/43 warm welcome to allied devils enemy raid on Canton Isl AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/04/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1100 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99) Allied Ships DD Lansdowne, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1153 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99) Allied Ships DMS Long DMS Boggs -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1010 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99) Allied Ships DD Pakenham, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CLAA Van Heemskerck, Mine hits 1, on fire CLAA Columbo, Mine hits 1, on fire CL Birmingham, Mine hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1067 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99) Allied Ships CA Indianapolis, Mine hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1068 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99) Allied Ships DD Lardner, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Yorktown, Mine hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1094 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99) Allied Ships DD Nicholas, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CA Louisville, Mine hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1155 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99) Allied Ships DD Monssen, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships CL Concord CL Detroit CA Quincy, Shell hits 2 CA San Francisco, Shell hits 1 CA New Orleans, Shell hits 1 CA Chicago, Shell hits 1 BB Mississippi BB New Mexico BB Idaho BB Tennessee BB California Japanese ground losses: 211 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 9 Port hits 4 Port supply hits 6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99 Allied Ships CL Honolulu CL Nashville CA Vincennes BB Pennsylvania BB Arizona BB Oklahoma BB Nevada BB West Virginia Japanese ground losses: 60 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 15 Port hits 5 Port supply hits 8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99 Allied Ships CL Newcastle CL Glasgow CL Dauntless CA Cornwall CA Devonshire Japanese ground losses: 14 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 6 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1186 encounters mine field at Kai Island (39,78) Japanese Ships AK Muko Maru, and is sunk Allied Ships DD Nicholas, and is sunk SS Blackfish, Mine hits 1

veji1 -> RE: canton isl (5/18/2006 7:06:37 PM)
whoo Yorktown hit a mine... that can be very painful away from friendly bases... Bring the subs around and you might have a great result...

Sneer -> RE: re :china (5/18/2006 7:16:57 PM)
I think KB is better choice :-) subs will be mauled with whole combined allied fleet in 1 hex second Yorktown has probably small flood - should be out of action for 2-4 months only what we saw here is good example of death star tactics - at least 7 diffrent TFs kept together

veji1 -> RE: re :china (5/18/2006 7:30:39 PM)
Well I remenber mines being able to inflict lots of damage with some luck, or bad luck depending on... I had a jap CA barely surviving one mine ( Flt was in the high 40s..), I seeems that uber mining is a good tactic anyway...

Sneer -> RE: re :china (5/18/2006 9:38:32 PM)
baker was mined to same extent and inflicted no damage - luck is all with minefields but if you have many MLs you should make some use of them - at least with most obvious localisations :-) 1DD reported sunk probably 2 more are in very bad shape and i think they will not survive 2 next heavy damaged with even chances 1cv ,2ca ,2claa ,1cl lightly/moderately damaged - nothing big but will not be able to come back into line in 1Q43 so will not participate in 1st Raverdave's offensive move 15 hits not bad

Capt. Harlock -> WITP Minefields (5/18/2006 10:24:37 PM)
Poor Raver must be regretting his decision to take all the TF's in close. However, I notice none of the BB's were tagged, even though they must have been reasonably close to deliver their bombardment. It seems to me that mining in WITP is considerably more effective than it was historically; I cannot recall even so much as a light cruiser hitting a mine in the Pacific in WWII.

Sneer -> RE: re :china (5/18/2006 11:32:21 PM)
and how many times you saw all allied capitals including 10 BB and carriers running like mad close to enemy prepared atolls ? miracle there was no collision there BTW similar amount of mines were totally unsuccessful at wake and baker i think there will be no more night raids from Raver with whole fleet

Raverdave -> RE: re :china (5/20/2006 10:49:31 AM)
D'oh.....forgot to unclick "follow this TF"[:o]

Sneer -> report (5/24/2006 11:46:33 AM)
01/16/43 nothing to report in last 2 week some submarine mine warfare some night MSW allied action at canton B24 from Midway targeting Wake usual B17 from darwin against Timor if Raverdave wants me falling asleep and later striking hard he will probably succeed Chungking currently quiet troops regain strenght i had 6000 AV now it is close to 9000 also 6000+ guns and 2500+ engineers i should be able to lower forts in a few days

Sneer -> RE: report (5/25/2006 1:07:20 PM)
As a proof i'm not that lazy ... as sb could find reading this AAR i made 2 combat patrols with my carriers into deep pacific but could not find any target ( using break into Canton ISL area) when i moved to base i found enemy TFs only few planes attacked in p.m. phaseDay Air attack on TF at 101,103 Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 40 D3A Val x 46 A6M3a Zero x 133 B5N Kate x 31 Allied aircraft Seafire x 36 F4F-4 Wildcat x 52 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 18 destroyed D3A Val: 5 destroyed, 29 damaged A6M3a Zero: 17 destroyed B5N Kate: 9 damaged Allied aircraft losses Seafire: 21 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 52 destroyed Allied Ships BB Indiana, Bomb hits 4 CVE Sangamon, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CVE Suwannee, Bomb hits 2 CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 3, on fire CVE Chenango, Bomb hits 4, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet 1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet 7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 101,103 Japanese aircraft A6M3a Zero x 5 B5N Kate x 12 Japanese aircraft losses B5N Kate: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged Allied Ships CVE Chenango, on fire BB Indiana, Bomb hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet 6 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *nice - looks like ground forces are ready* Ground combat at Chungking Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 524190 troops, 4847 guns, 536 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 10542 Defending force 180729 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 5053 Allied ground losses: 216 casualties reported

ADavidB -> RE: report (5/25/2006 1:27:08 PM)
quote: Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 40 D3A Val x 46 A6M3a Zero x 133 B5N Kate x 31 Allied aircraft Seafire x 36 F4F-4 Wildcat x 52 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 18 destroyed D3A Val: 5 destroyed, 29 damaged A6M3a Zero: 17 destroyed B5N Kate: 9 damaged Allied aircraft losses Seafire: 21 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 52 destroyed Allied Ships BB Indiana, Bomb hits 4 CVE Sangamon, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CVE Suwannee, Bomb hits 2 CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 3, on fire CVE Chenango, Bomb hits 4, on fire That's a great example of why one does not try to use CVEs as Fleet Carriers... What's the game-date of this action? Thanks - Dave Baranyi

Sneer -> RE: report (5/25/2006 2:09:53 PM)
01/18/43 i do not publicate all of my action as it is "shared" AAR

Sneer -> RE: re :china (5/25/2006 2:22:55 PM)
01/19/43 big battle ....

veji1 -> RE: re :china (5/25/2006 2:27:16 PM)
I want more ....

Sneer -> RE: re :china (5/25/2006 2:38:10 PM)
soon - need to finish turn ... :-)

Sneer -> Carrier battle (5/25/2006 2:44:48 PM)
19/01/43 major battle close toi sydney Isl my 4 KB carrier division divided 1 of them even is they were set all to do not refuel was 1 hex late :-( enemy as always - i'm not lucky enough stroke first cap did nice job but it was not enough but retaliation strike was coordinated 3 division (12carriers) strike and 3 enemy carriers are sunk Saratoga , Lexington and Enterprise are below waves 2 fast BB are certainly damaged too losses - confidential - 1 carrier will not manage and rest have some chances ... i'm far away more soon .... Day Air attack on TF at 101,104 Japanese aircraft A6M2-N Rufe x 18 A6M2 Zero x 2 A6M3 Zero x 9 A6M3a Zero x 41 Allied aircraft Seafire x 6 F4F-4 Wildcat x 32 SBD Dauntless x 68 Swordfish x 14 TBF Avenger x 36 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2-N Rufe: 12 destroyed A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses Seafire: 5 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 28 destroyed SBD Dauntless: 24 destroyed, 20 damaged Swordfish: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged TBF Avenger: 16 destroyed, 4 damaged Japanese Ships BB Nagato, Bomb hits 2 CV Hiyo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CV Akagi CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Kongo, Bomb hits 3 BB Musashi CVE Taiyo CA Chikuma Aircraft Attacking: 6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 101,104 Japanese aircraft A6M2-N Rufe x 3 A6M2 Zero x 1 A6M3 Zero x 6 A6M3a Zero x 23 Allied aircraft Swordfish x 14 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Swordfish: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged Japanese Ships CV Akagi CV Hiyo, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 101,104 Japanese aircraft A6M2-N Rufe x 3 A6M2 Zero x 1 A6M3 Zero x 8 A6M3a Zero x 27 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 9 SBD Dauntless x 34 TBF Avenger x 14 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed SBD Dauntless: 12 destroyed, 10 damaged TBF Avenger: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged Japanese Ships CV Akagi, Bomb hits 1, on fire BB Kongo BB Nagato BB Musashi, Bomb hits 2 CV Hiyo, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet 2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 102,102 Japanese aircraft A6M3 Zero x 31 D3A Val x 131 A6M3a Zero x 63 B5N Kate x 147 Allied aircraft Seafire x 9 F4F-4 Wildcat x 83 Japanese aircraft losses A6M3 Zero: 18 destroyed D3A Val: 17 destroyed, 38 damaged A6M3a Zero: 32 destroyed B5N Kate: 30 destroyed, 73 damaged Allied aircraft losses Seafire: 8 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat: 65 destroyed Allied Ships BB South Dakota, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CA Northampton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage BB Washington, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CV Lexington, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CLAA San Diego CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 102,102 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 16 A6M3a Zero x 12 B5N Kate x 16 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 8 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed B5N Kate: 4 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed Seafire: 1 destroyed Allied Ships CV Lexington, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Washington, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 102,102 Japanese aircraft D3A Val x 23 A6M3a Zero x 7 B5N Kate x 15 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 5 Japanese aircraft losses D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged B5N Kate: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed Allied Ships BB Washington, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet

Sneer -> RE: re :china (5/25/2006 2:46:48 PM)
i put all available BB/CA to these 4 divisions so flak did good job ...

Sneer -> RE: re :china (5/25/2006 2:48:40 PM)
range was 2 hexes only so all allied bomb hits ...1000lb

veji1 -> RE: re :china (5/25/2006 2:53:23 PM)
so Zuiho is dead for sure, can Hiyo and Akagi be protected ? if they can go fast enough, you could cover them with all the rest of KB.... it would be quite risky from him to go at you with all he has left... hm... 101;104, where is that again ?

veji1 -> RE: re :china (5/25/2006 2:56:41 PM)
does he have an AF nearby or are all the carrier planes gone with the waves ??? well... Enjoy what is probably your last big carrier battle success, hopefully you don't pay too heavy a price in the aftermath.. Pics ?

Sneer -> report (5/25/2006 3:00:33 PM)
5-7 hexes SE from canton isl i doubt he can strike my carriers he has 1 british CV or two but without Swordfishes 1cvl already damaged few CVE yorktown was damaged and probably is not here i have 3 carrier divisions untouched with only moderate damage BTW carriers should reach cover from canton ISL so now few enemy planes should be repulsed Zuiho - it can survive but chances are small rest .... moderate damages only

sven6345789 -> RE: report (5/25/2006 3:03:22 PM)
will he get the carriers back? as much as i could read, it already is the second yorktown. Once again it has been proven that counterattacks before 1944 only work if you had a midway style battle with comparable results; as long as KB is still active, it will kill you

Sneer -> RE: report (5/25/2006 3:05:12 PM)
no it is 1st one there was no major carrier battle till now

Sneer -> RE: report (5/25/2006 3:06:50 PM)
BTW i estimate Raverdave has <50 fighters available now

jumper -> RE: re :china (5/25/2006 3:08:04 PM)
congrats!! [&o] did you know his carriers are there or it was a surprise for you? 101;104 - should be somewhere NE of Canton is. correct? Yorktown hit mine CVEs damaged 3 CVs sunk Nice results in the beginning of 43�. EDIT: I see the most of it was meanwhile replied and my localization was wrong [:)]

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