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ORIGINAL: Ranse


I have played as the Japanese and captured bases that were unusable to me because they still remained under allied commands (Changsa, Lunga, and Soerabaja). Every time I expended political points to change them, the game changed them back to an Allied command. I remember reading that others had this bug and reported it and I thought it was fixed by now. Now I am playing as Allied (version 1.6) and I captured Bangkok, but it keeps changing back to Japanese 15th Army command. Wasn't this bug fixed in 1.6?

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Also, I had a surface taskforce at sea in a hex when it was captured by the Japanese, and the computer scuttled the whole 15-ship combat TF when the base was captured. Isn't that a bug? Would a surface TF at sea scuttle itself just because the base was captured? I sent the TF to the hex and it arrived the same turn the base was captured. The TF may have automatically docked itself, but they were definitely not in port when this happened. The TF did not have auto-disband orders; they just happen to be in the same hex with a base when it was captured.

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Also, I have been searching the manuals for this info but I could not find it: Is there a replenishment TF I can form to resupply a CV TF with avgas and ordinance, or is the only way to set the sortie count back to 100% is to return to base?

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ORIGINAL: michaelm


This apparently is working as designed.
In my opinion, the definition of "at anchor" used by the auto-scuttle command seems to be incorrect. It includes not only ships disbanded in port but also ships in TFs in the base hex. This is not what "at anchor" means in the rest of the manual.
My worst case was an Allied 13-ship TF with two CVs and escorts which stopped in Gilli base, which was then captured by Japanese on the same turn.

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ORIGINAL: Lt. Calley

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ORIGINAL: michaelm


This apparently is working as designed.
In my opinion, the definition of "at anchor" used by the auto-scuttle command seems to be incorrect. It includes not only ships disbanded in port but also ships in TFs in the base hex. This is not what "at anchor" means in the rest of the manual.
My worst case was an Allied 13-ship TF with two CVs and escorts which stopped in Gilli base, which was then captured by Japanese on the same turn.

Will subs on patrol in the same hex as the base auto-scuttle too?

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ORIGINAL: Ranse


Let me get this straight: ANY and ALL friendly TFs in the same hex as a friendly base when it is captured by the enemy, as well as ships in port at that base, will automatically scuttle all its ships? Even those Surface TFs stationed there to defend the base? I don't remember ever seeing this happen before the incident mentioned in my original post, and I have logged hundreds of hours playing the game. (But then, this is my first time playing the Allies. I never lost a base while playing the Japanese.)

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ORIGINAL: Ranse


Let me get this straight: ANY and ALL friendly TFs in the same hex as a friendly base when it is captured by the enemy, as well as ships in port at that base, will automatically scuttle all its ships? Even those Surface TFs stationed there to defend the base? I don't remember ever seeing this happen before the incident mentioned in my original post, and I have logged hundreds of hours playing the game. (But then, this is my first time playing the Allies. I never lost a base while playing the Japanese.)

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ORIGINAL: Ranse


To quote the manual (9.3.2), "...SOME ships at anchor at that base are automatically scuttled..." (emphasis mine). Subs are boats, not ships. Ask an old navy guy (i.e., a guy who has been in the navy, not one wearing an Old Navy shirt).
Furthermore, it wasn't untill I played the Allies (current game) that I heard the victory cry when the Allies capture a base. Sounds kinda wimpy, doesn't it? Almost sarcastic in its lack of enthusiasm.
Also, did anybody ever win the game as Allies on the first victory check (1 Jan 43)? The first two times I played as the Japanese, I won scenario 15 by 1 Jan 43. Seems the AI is too predictable.

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
And, as you have pointed out, your 15 ships were AT SEA when this happened. There is really a problem here, i think.

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ORIGINAL: Lt. Calley

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
And, as you have pointed out, your 15 ships were AT SEA when this happened. There is really a problem here, i think.

It's possible that the TF auto-docked when it arrived. I've seen TFs auto-dock even if they have not arrived at their final destination but happen to end their turn at a port.

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Also, I had a surface taskforce at sea in a hex when it was captured by the Japanese, and the computer scuttled the whole 15-ship combat TF when the base was captured. Isn't that a bug? Would a surface TF at sea scuttle itself just because the base was captured?

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This apparently is working as designed.
In my opinion, the definition of "at anchor" used by the auto-scuttle command seems to be incorrect. It includes not only ships disbanded in port but also ships in TFs in the base hex. This is not what "at anchor" means in the rest of the manual.
My worst case was an Allied 13-ship TF with two CVs and escorts which stopped in Gilli base, which was then captured by Japanese on the same turn.

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And where are the captured Chinese cruisers Ioshima and Yasoshima in the game?

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I'm not positive, but I think I recall seeing a TF that was both physically in the port and homeported at Palembang scuttle upon the base changing hands. I thought that it scuttled rather than sail away because it was homeported there. Ever since, I have tried to make sure that important TFs (anything other than AKs and TKs) are no longer in endangered ports.

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Ron, in my case it was a transport TF that was trying to load oil in Palembang and take it to Perth before the base fell. In order to make sure that the TF unloads and returns to Palembang, I typically have it homeported there...


BTW: another reason to use the contested port (or SOON to be contested port) as a homeport is to make sure that a ship in danger of sinking goes to that nearest port rather than trying to reach a homeport thousands of miles away...

Yammas from The Apo-Tiki Lounge. Future site of WITP AE benders! And then the s--t hit the fan

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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I never said that I had a problem with it, just that it surprised me when it first happened and that now I am prepared for it. And, yes, it is extremely hazardous duty for a civilian vessel - but any duty in the SRA was hazardous duty in that time period. Now if I had run away with all my ships then someone would be complaining about that as well...my theory is that the oil executives demanded that their employees evacuate every drop of profit they could before having to blow up the refinery!

Yammas from The Apo-Tiki Lounge. Future site of WITP AE benders! And then the s--t hit the fan

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

It does not help that we can't start the dismantling process early or blow it early. Nothing like extracting all that oil and refining all that fuel just so the Japs can have it. Be nice if we could roll for it's destruction early (like blowing bridges in CC2).

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ORIGINAL: erstad

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

It does not help that we can't start the dismantling process early or blow it early. Nothing like extracting all that oil and refining all that fuel just so the Japs can have it. Be nice if we could roll for it's destruction early (like blowing bridges in CC2).

Yeah, but there does seem to be pretty significant attrition of the oil stockpiles when a base changes hands. I don't have exact figures, because I'm never sure how much was deliberately removed, but even on minor bases like Kuala (level 1 port, takes forever to load so I doubt my opponents spend a lot of time there versus other sites) the amount of oil seems to always be much less than one would predict based on 6*oilpoints*scenario days.

Not complaining, mind you (even though I play Japan). Seems very reasonable to me.

Yammas from The Apo-Tiki Lounge. Future site of WITP AE benders! And then the s--t hit the fan

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It does not help that we can't start the dismantling process early or blow it early. Nothing like extracting all that oil and refining all that fuel just so the Japs can have it. Be nice if we could roll for it's destruction early (like blowing bridges in CC2).

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Why would anyone in their right mind homeport ships at a contested base? Think about it...scary idea in real life I'd expect. Perhaps to game the system and have the ships magically rearm and refuel after every turn?