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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/17/2006 4:46:38 PM   
Nemo121


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Status: offline 		Well Aztez, I think it is a tough situation BUT if you can land on a base he hasn't garrisoned ( which can be built to Level 4 Airfield and Level 9 forts) you should, in conjunction with keeping Dutch Harbour closed and the bad weather) be able to run in reinforcements and force him to cover his reinforcement runs with carriers. This will hurt you and hurt you badly but over time you are bound to get lucky... It won't be quick and it won't be cheap BUT it will allow you to face up to his CVs time and time again while risking only very replaceable assets.

Right now you need to risk small, win small and build up over time. Attacking an undefended base, attriting his resupply convoys an maybe getting the occasional bomb into a CV or CVL so that when your new CVs come online in 5 months you can commit them with a better chance of success as they'll be facing a slightly whittled down KB.

I think your biggest issue at the moment is that you are trying to win big and therefore must risk big. Try to refocus on winning small so you only have to risk small and I think you'll see an upswing in your fortunes. If going by the risk small, win small doctrine you wouldn't have gone for Dutch and certainly wouldn't have had a CV battle and thus you'd now have 3 divisions and 3 carriers in waiting at Anchorage etc ready to commit to action when KB ran out fuel replenishment and had to leave the area. With this I'm sure Amchitka could have been yours.

Still, live and learn eh? ;) and this is just advice. It may well prove that my advice is horribly inappropriate.

< Message edited by Nemo121 -- 7/17/2006 4:58:16 PM >

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/17/2006 4:59:40 PM   
aztez

 

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Status: offline 		Feinder: Oh, Dave seems to in the offensive again! But as you said your forces at Hawaji are way too strong for him! I guess he just captured Midway since there was an opportunity to do so.

What kind of situation you got in Aleutians? He has committed quite a few forces here in this game.

I think he can reach autovictory in this one. I lost too many troops in China and he has too many base points currently. Air to Air losses are the only place I have given him some headaches.


Nemo: I take on your advices. The only problem is the lack of infantry units at my disposal. There is 1400 AP in Pearl, 1400 in Palmyra, 1900 in Christamas Island and 1300 in Midway. Anchorage has 600 AP available.

I think the way to with your advices is to build up Kodiak to level 5 airfield. This way I can even shutdown Adak and gain control larger areas in North.

When this is done than move ahead towards Amchitka and empty bases.

I have sent more submarines in the area.

It actually seems he might be withdrawing from Dutch Harbour. There is now 59 000 men currently present.



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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/17/2006 6:33:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aztez,

Forum swallowed my last reply so here it goes again...

1. Aim small and bide your time. You have more than enough time to push into Tokyo via the northern route ( which also happens to be the route least amenable to being destroyed by KB. Sure the Japanese surface fleet will be sent in BUT you have a major surface fleet of your own and even a 2:1 exchange rate in terms of comparable surface units serves your purposes admirably.) and thus should, IMO, sit back, build up a little and then take Amchitka as soon as you can land sufficient force to be safe from counter-invasion.


2. I would seriously question your ability to push through the central and southern pacific if you are beginning your strikes only at the beginning of January 1944. On the other hand if you can establish even a single base at Onnekotan or Paramushiro Jima then you've got a good bomber base within range of the home islands. From there, well, the possibilities are obvious ;). Yes it will result in you having to face the brunt of the Japanese fighter and bomber force head on and suffering the necessary losses to blunt their predations but I believe it can be done and by the time you arrive over the Home Islands you should have the benefit of lots of nice long-range escorts ;). In addition everything you draw onto yourself on your own terms in the north is one thing less he can deploy elsewhere...

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/17/2006 7:28:16 PM   
aztez

 

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Aztez,

Forum swallowed my last reply so here it goes again...

1. Aim small and bide your time. You have more than enough time to push into Tokyo via the northern route ( which also happens to be the route least amenable to being destroyed by KB. Sure the Japanese surface fleet will be sent in BUT you have a major surface fleet of your own and even a 2:1 exchange rate in terms of comparable surface units serves your purposes admirably.) and thus should, IMO, sit back, build up a little and then take Amchitka as soon as you can land sufficient force to be safe from counter-invasion.


2. I would seriously question your ability to push through the central and southern pacific if you are beginning your strikes only at the beginning of January 1944. On the other hand if you can establish even a single base at Onnekotan or Paramushiro Jima then you've got a good bomber base within range of the home islands. From there, well, the possibilities are obvious ;). Yes it will result in you having to face the brunt of the Japanese fighter and bomber force head on and suffering the necessary losses to blunt their predations but I believe it can be done and by the time you arrive over the Home Islands you should have the benefit of lots of nice long-range escorts ;). In addition everything you draw onto yourself on your own terms in the north is one thing less he can deploy elsewhere...



The forum can be quite an shark sometimes!

I agree with 100% that Northern route is the safest way to go at the moment. I do have my surface fleet intact so I do have a lot of BB firepower at my disposal.

I need to build up for time being in Aleutians but I doubt Dave can occupy every base there so this plan should work in the future too.

...Weather is also in my side here.

Next step is to build up Kodiak. Than if I can take Dutch Harbour (depending on the situation) and Amchitka.

LBA threat from North should make Dave somewhat scared I think

As always I do appreciate the advices and input!


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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/20/2006 11:18:46 PM   
aztez

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry for lack of updates. The game however has been moving ahead steadily.

We have now reached 15th of March 1943.
 
It seems that my LBA's have gained the aerial superiority on the battle of Dutch Harbour.


Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 194

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 20 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
133 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 110

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 140

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
135 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 96


Now it seems Dave has moved his aircraft out of Dutch Harbour. Those US divisions are still present there and have been gaining strenght. (Totalling now just above 300 worth of assault points)

Also he is withdrawing his troops out of there too. My intel indicates that there are now 45 000 enemy units present. (nearly 15 000 men have been evacuated)

I'am building the airfields and fortifications at Kodiak. This will give another base from which to launch strikes againts Dutch Harbour and Adak!

There are 2 SeaBee units and 1/2 aviation unit moving into Kodiak as we speak.

As for the summary of CV engaments in Aleutians.

I can now confirm that this encounter cost me CV Hornet, CV Yorktown, CV Lexington, CV Enterprise and 2 US CVE's.

CV Saratoga was hit too  (Sys damage at 30) but she is now in the drydocks at San Francisco.

The remaining 2 US CV's (CV Wasp and CV Essex) are still at Anchorage waiting for the actions.

The latest Japanese ship that was confirmed sunk was CVL Soho. That leaves the enemy totals ship lost at 2 CVL's and 2 CVE's. This list does not CVE Tayho in it so at least that enemy capital ship should sunk.

Kido Butai or at least part of it is currently at Adak. I might have an chance of LBA strike againts it IF Kodiak becomes operational in time.

Royal Navy's CV Fleet along with Prince of Wales TF are currently enroute towards Perth. There these ships will refuel and start making their way towards CenPac.

RAF has kept the pressure on Burma. The airfield is now at 100% damaged. I'am also thinking of launching a small scale assault againts Myithkina. (Some Chinese units and Chindit Brigades) Dave does not seem to have strong garrison present there. This might be an trap however so I'am keeping my UK/Indian divisions still on defensive.

Since RN CV Fleet and Prince of Wales TF has now sailed that leaves me with 1 RN BB TF. (Older types of ships but they still do carry a punch if engaged)





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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/21/2006 8:37:10 AM   
aztez

 

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Status: offline 		USS Lampon managed to torpedo DD Oshio.

US Airforce has kept the Dutch Harbour airfield unoperational.


Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 183

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
225 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 113


My BB TF managed to suprise some of the enemy fast transports at Dutch Harbour.


Night Time Surface Combat, near Dutch Harbor at 103,36

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2084, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AG AG-2085, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
AG AG-2086, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
AG AG-2087, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AG AG-2088, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
AG AG-2089, Shell hits 12, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
BB New Mexico
BB Indiana
CL Cleveland
CL Columbia
CL Montpelier
DD Strong
DD Waller
DD Nicholson
DD Gansevoort
DD Gillespie
DD Edwards
DD Wilson
DD Lamson
DD Preston

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Dutch Harbor at 103,36

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2057
AG AG-2058
AG AG-2059, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
AG AG-2060, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
AG AG-2061, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
AG AG-2062, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
AG AG-2063
AG AG-2064
AG AG-2065
AG AG-2066, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-2067, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
AG AG-2068, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
AG AG-2081, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
AG AG-2082
AG AG-2083, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
BB New Mexico
BB Indiana
CL Cleveland
CL Columbia
CL Montpelier
DD Strong
DD Waller
DD Nicholson
DD Gansevoort
DD Gillespie
DD Edwards
DD Wilson
DD Lamson
DD Preston


...and top of that even bombarded the Dutch Harbour.


Naval bombardment of Dutch Harbor, at 103,36

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier
CL Columbia
CL Cleveland
BB Indiana
BB New Mexico
BB West Virginia

Japanese ground losses:
559 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

Runway hits 20
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 5


US SeaBee units will start unloading at Kodiak next turn. This should make the base build up much quicker.




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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/22/2006 10:06:49 AM   
aztez

 

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Dave did put up an CAP over Dutch Harbour last turn.


Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
A6M3 Zero x 4
A6M3a Zero x 10

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 131

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 9 destroyed, 32 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 24


Additional allied bomber squadron will join up this assault. I simply cannot let him start building up this base.

US SeaBee units have now reached Kodiak and will start building up the airfield there. Currently it is level 3 (54%) so it should not take too long. Some fuel has also been shipped to that allied base.

Bulk of the KB seems still be anchored at Adak. I wonder how long they will stay there.

Akyab has been bombed by RAF. This base is pretty much unoperational in all terms

Things are moving ahead as planned. Dave will have an nasty suprise once Kodiak is big enough to support the LBA's joining up in the assault.

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/22/2006 9:48:17 PM   
aztez

 

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Status: offline 		Last turn was good for allied side!


CVE Hosho was confirmed sunk and my submarines did manage to put torpedo into CS Nisshin which eventually sunk too!

Sub attack

Japanese Ships
CS Nisshin, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage *sunk*
DD Asanagi
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
DD Yugiri
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
SS Haddock


Also two other Japanese destroyers were hit in Aleutians. (Dave got somewhat lucky since it might have been two CV's torpedoed instead)


Sub attack at 101,40

Japanese Ships
DD Asanagi, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
DD Yugiri
DD Ayanami
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Oyashio
CL Oyodo
CV Shokaku

Allied Ships
SS Haddock

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Sub attack at 101,40

Japanese Ships
DD Ayanami, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Matsukaze
DD Asakaze
DD Yugiri
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Oyashio
CV Shokaku

Allied Ships
SS Haddock, hits 1


So basically SS Haddock single handedly torpedoed CS Nisshin and 2 enemy DD's!!! That captain deserves an Medal of Honour for his action!

Also Dutch Harbour airfield was bombed heavily and thus making it unoperational again!


Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 157
B-24D Liberator x 47

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 140

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 146
B-24D Liberator x 42

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 81

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 135
B-24D Liberator x 40

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 133


These kind of results will bring smiles into anyones face!

KB is spotted few hexes South of Adak so either it is moving away or he is trying to hunt naval vessels in the area. This remains to be seen.

Other good news is that Kodiak received additional aviation support so accordingly I have moved more aircraft into that base.

I have an feeling that Aleutians will become costly for Dave or at least I hope so.

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/23/2006 3:31:50 PM   
aztez

 

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Status: offline 		Two turns more turns passed here is the brieft description what has occured.

Dave decieded contest my airsuperiority over Dutch Harbour.


Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 91
A6M3a Zero x 50

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 134
B-24D Liberator x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 18 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 10 destroyed, 21 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 14 destroyed, 52 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 10 destroyed, 15 damaged

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 77
A6M3a Zero x 29

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 91
B-24D Liberator x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 19 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 9 destroyed, 29 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 65
A6M3a Zero x 42

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 79
B-24D Liberator x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 4 destroyed, 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 19 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 5 damaged


I think these fighters where actually KB pilots since next turn I got unopposed run at Dutch Harbour. Airfield damage level is 100% again ¨

Other good news is that Kodiak is now level 4 airfield (26%) and I think It might turn into level 5 next turn.

The KB is still at Adak and IF Kodiak becomes level 5 airfield than there will be many 4E bombers targeting his crown of navy!

Question though. Since KB is propably docked at Adak is better to put my bombers on Naval or Port attack???
 
More allied submarines are moving into positions in Aleutians and Southern Pacific. In last two turns I managed to torpedo 4 enemy AK's!

I will try to take some screenshots when next turn arrives.

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/23/2006 4:07:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Question though. Since KB is propably docked at Adak is better to put my bombers on Naval or Port attack???

HUMM .. naval just in case they sortie .. i dont like using the port secondary objectives option as it leads to horrendous unescorted stikes imo. ..

That said i still do it , like setting escorts on bombard while telling others it's a dumb move .. so do as i say not as i do

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/23/2006 6:17:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Question though. Since KB is propably docked at Adak is better to put my bombers on Naval or Port attack???

HUMM .. naval just in case they sortie .. i dont like using the port secondary objectives option as it leads to horrendous unescorted stikes imo. ..

That said i still do it , like setting escorts on bombard while telling others it's a dumb move .. so do as i say not as i do


... I was also going for the naval strike option! Fingers crossed since there is a chance that I might get my 1st lucky break here too!

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/23/2006 8:07:46 PM   
Nemo121


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Status: offline 		Maybe send in a surface strike group on a bombardment mission?

I've found BBs particularly effective at destroying enemy submarines etc. A few 15 or 16 inch shells into a CV hull could work wonders and with an appropriate level of care I am finding it possible to sneak to within 4 or 5 hexes of strongly-held enemy bases. It is risky but so long as the size 4 airfields are closed down your BBs have a good chance of surviving.

In addition if I were you I'd put my bombers on port attack (possibly with naval attack as a secondary mission). Your bombers ( and their crews) are replacable and thus by definition expendable in return for appropriate gain. Getting a few 500 lbers into his carriers would, IMO, be very appropriate gain even if it cost you a month's worth of four-engineds.

P.s. My email seems to be down at the moment so after posting the last turns in my two AARs I'm going to be working on the RHS game... At the present moment I'm still researching plane upgrade paths... I can already see that I'm particularly going to like the Ki-83 Stan... Any twin-engined plane with a top speed of 428 miles per hour, a ceiling of 39,904, a range of 720 miles and a gun power of 56 ( courtesy of the very powerful but inaccurate 57mm cannon it carries) is going to be just devastating to Allied bombers and invasion fleets. The only pity is that we only get to play with it from March 1945 onward.

The vastly different road and rail nets in RHS definitely require a very different approach than the one prevailing under stock or CHS... It'll definitely require a more amphibious approach.

I'm going to start the joint thread in the Scenario Design/Game Editor thread later today with some of the issues I've found so far. That way they can be fixed before the game starts since once I'm oriented and have the planning done the actual inputting of orders shouldn't take too long. I'm on call on Wednesday so it really might be the weekend before I can have anything for you. Sorry about that. In the meantime you just keep kicking away in the Aleutians ;).

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/23/2006 9:39:35 PM   
aztez

 

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/23/2006 9:54:18 PM   
aztez

 

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A Bombardment TF to visit Adak!!! That is an bold idea and I do like it! (Dave might not even be expecting something that risky!!!)

I have now a US BB (BB West Virginia, BB Idaho and BB New Mexico) TF to move from Anchorage to Cold Bay! This way the leap will be much shorter and I might get a suprise assault on him... and If this goes bad than I have lost 3 old BB's and some escorting ships. That is an acceptable risk indeed!

Kodiak is at level 4 airfield (62%) and building. I think I will use around 100 B17's on that port/naval assault on Adak. I don't mind taking heavy casualties either so if I can get couple of his CV damaged than that is worth the risk and effort.

I should mention however that there are Japanese BB's in Adak too. (BB Musashi, BB Yamamoto and co.)

I have those 2 US CV's still lurking in Anchorage waiting for an opportunity if Dave makes a single mistake.

Royal Navy reinforcements to CenPac are now Perth and will head out to Sydney immediately.


Yeah, I have looked the RHS setup too! It is totally diffrent what I'am used to. It will requiere quite a lot of planning for allied side too.

Eherm. thankfully that bomber will be arriving in early 1945 or otherwise I would be in big trouble! ...oh like I'am not in trouble already!

Don't worry about tight schedule you got. Take your time and plan carefully. It is going to be hectic in my life too. (Daughter is now very demanding tiny little person!!! ) ..so real life will take priority naturally for both of us.

...concerning this game... well we are moving ahead smoothly since I'am not ready yet for any serious offensives across the pacific. Just moving troops into position and trying to make Dave pay for his adventure in Aleutians!


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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/23/2006 10:59:26 PM   
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Put a tank main gun and a twin-engined plane side by side on a runway and I see the possibility of creating a bomber interceptor ;). It mightn't hit often but I'm sure that once the Stans get into action unescorted four-engined raids will be a thing of the past.

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/24/2006 9:30:06 AM   
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Bomber? Oh no, that'll be a bomber interceptor ;)...

Put a tank main gun and a twin-engined plane side by side on a runway and I see the possibility of creating a bomber interceptor ;). It mightn't hit often but I'm sure that once the Stans get into action unescorted four-engined raids will be a thing of the past.



Oh.. Well maybe I can fiddle with your production via sabotage

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/24/2006 10:28:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		The US BB TF has now sailed from Cold Bay. These ships are ordered to bombard the enemy shipping at Adak. Let's see whether Nemo's bold idea brings success!

100 B17's have now moved into Kodiak. (Still level 4 but 97% complete upgrade) These bombers are put 1st on Port attack and secondary mission as Naval attack.

Japanese ASW TF's hit 2 USS submarines near Adak. Also DD Yugure is torpedoed by SS Paddle

Dutch Harbour airfield remains unoperational due to heavy bombing runs by US airforce.

Royal Navy reinforcements are making good progress towards Sydney.

That is the latest developments. It is intresting to see the results from next turn. Hopefully I can hit few of his CV's!

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/25/2006 8:21:26 AM   
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To put it shortly the US BB TF was spotted by the enemy and received the attention of the mighty KB itself.


Day Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 102,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 46
D3A Val x 42
A6M3a Zero x 33
B5N Kate x 24
G3M Nell x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 4 destroyed, 23 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 20 damaged
G3M Nell: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 7,  on fire
CL Cleveland
BB Indiana, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
CL Montpelier

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Day Air attack on TF at 104,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 63
A6M3a Zero x 65
G3M Nell x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
BB Indiana,  heavy damage


That leaves me with BB Indiana and BB New Mexico badly damage. However BB West Virginia should be operational soon again.

Those B17's that I send didn't have better luck either.


Day Air attack on TF, near Adak Island at 98,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 42
A6M3 Zero x 1
A6M3a Zero x 25

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 10 destroyed, 4 damaged

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Day Air attack on Adak Island , at 98,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
A6M3 Zero x 1
A6M3a Zero x 26

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 68

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 16 destroyed, 31 damaged

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Day Air attack on Adak Island , at 98,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
A6M3 Zero x 1
A6M3a Zero x 25

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 6 destroyed, 13 damaged


... at least that should have scared him somewhat. I will let my US 4E bombers to have a another crack at Adak next turn. Just maybe I can get lucky!!!

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/25/2006 4:34:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was a nice idea ! .. shame you havnt got any speed 5 BB or BC around .. maybe just use fast CA's for bombardment as 8inch shells will punch holes in flattops and can escape out of range too. ( bar the darn betties .. any LR cap to cover them would help hugely .

fun game

I've never seen RHS .. so can't comment but i like the 'look' of the CHS varient . I always imagined they were similar but i guess not given what your both saying abaout it ..

Nemo .. you hooked on WitP now ? .. with 3 AAR's ? maybe a new game vs Mog .. can you actually find time for work in-between e-mails ?

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/25/2006 8:19:49 PM   
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It was a nice idea ! .. shame you havnt got any speed 5 BB or BC around .. maybe just use fast CA's for bombardment as 8inch shells will punch holes in flattops and can escape out of range too. ( bar the darn betties .. any LR cap to cover them would help hugely .

fun game

I've never seen RHS .. so can't comment but i like the 'look' of the CHS varient . I always imagined they were similar but i guess not given what your both saying abaout it ..

Nemo .. you hooked on WitP now ? .. with 3 AAR's ? maybe a new game vs Mog .. can you actually find time for work in-between e-mails ?



The idea was good but as I said these ideas rarely pay off againts Dave! I'am kind of use to that... and it is a fact that had Dave really exploited some of the "gray areas" of the game he could propably be planning a invasion of West Coast by now! Oh, but he is a gentleman!

I kind of like the idea of fast surface TF (CA and such) hitting his navy but he has his battle fleet there too so I'am not willing to risk those ships just yet. Maybe my LBA's will get lucky and hit something major or maybe he will be scared and back off from Aleutians. (I'am definately not withdrawin here since this is the best chance of getting something done in this war)

Fighter escort cannot be arranged due to limitation in range of my fighters.

...this is a fun game and my opponent is tough as hell

As for Nemo... well don't wake the beast Rob... he is propably plotting assaults on San Francisco in his PBEM's



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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/25/2006 8:24:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		San Francisco? Tutt, tutt... Why limit myself to just taking the invasion beaches? No, better to push inland toward New York...

Rob,
Aye, well I never intended to do more than 1 game but Jutland13 invited me to play and then Aztez's offer of an RHS game offered a chance to try something new and engage in original analysis ( as opposed to rehashing a situation everyone's played before)...

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/25/2006 8:55:17 PM   
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San Francisco? Tutt, tutt... Why limit myself to just taking the invasion beaches? No, better to push inland toward New York...

Rob,
Aye, well I never intended to do more than 1 game but Jutland13 invited me to play and then Aztez's offer of an RHS game offered a chance to try something new and engage in original analysis ( as opposed to rehashing a situation everyone's played before)...



New York, ah ...Thankfully Finland is off the map or your Japanese forces would end up here eventually!

Assaulting West Coast would be an suicide so you are more than welcome to try it

As for this game I really hope that those US 4E bombers can breakthrough his CAP. I could send more BB's and surface vessels to Aleutians but I think that risk would not benefit my chances in this war.

One intresting thing in Allied signit last turn. At least 2 Japanese infantry units are planning for Midway! (I think Dave went for it againts Feinder too)

Currently I have 1250 assaults points + supporting troops in garrison duty. (Level 9 fortifications and some mines) I do not have proper aviation support there so I might send one aviation unit from Pearl Harbour there. I have some Corsairs available but I'am still waiting for the first Hellcats to appear.


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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/25/2006 8:59:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Midway would be suicidal. He would need 3600 AV just to equal your force ( that's 9 undamaged divisions) and that's before we count preparation bonuses, troops lost on sinking APs, disruption etc... His only hope of taking on 1200 AV in PH is to bomb you out over a long time.

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/25/2006 9:05:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feel that Midway is kind of safe too but Dave has done quite a few suprise assaults on this game so I would not rule out Midway though.

IF he is not going for Midway than he will commit his naval assets in Northern Pacific. I don't see any other options except China where he can launch couple of major ground offensives and propably succeed with them.

Russia would be something too but I don't actually even remember IF we had any houserules regarding this theatre.

...anyway waiting for the turn to arrive and maybe it will reveal more of his future plans.

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/27/2006 12:45:46 PM   
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No major raids or strikes are launched by either side in Northern Pacific.

I think Dave has moved some of the CV's out of Adak. The total ship amount indicated by intel makes me think that.

Dave has also started an ground offensive at Dutch Harbour.

Ground combat at Dutch Harbor

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23295 troops, 157 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 680

Defending force 13473 troops, 96 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 519

Japanese max assault: 674 - adjusted assault: 435

Allied max defense: 452 - adjusted defense: 217

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1534 casualties reported
Guns lost 44

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Ground combat at Dutch Harbor
 
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20977 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 530

Defending force 13390 troops, 94 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 513

Japanese max assault: 470 - adjusted assault: 286

Allied max defense: 445 - adjusted defense: 250

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
407 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Dutch Harbor
 
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20175 troops, 97 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 473

Defending force 13377 troops, 88 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 512

Japanese max assault: 451 - adjusted assault: 411

Allied max defense: 442 - adjusted defense: 181

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
842 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


I have actually tried to move these units for Umnak base next to Dutch Harbour but the Witp game engine says that not adequate supply path so these guys are not moving anywhere due to this. (They are very low on supplies and Umnak base has 20 000 worth of supplies but it seems that once more those supplies are not moving to frontline troops)
 
I had ordered 2 squadrons of US 4E bombers to strike enemy airfields at Adak. Unfortunately they did not fly but hopefully they will next turn.

B17's have been bombing Dutch Harbour airfields too "daily". (Unless the weather has prevented the strikes)

I have now actively started patrolling this are with PT boats which are located in frontline bases.

Those 2 US BB's that were damaged are slowly moving towards Anchorage.

RN (CV's + Prince of Wales TF) have now left Sydney and are heading to NZ. From there they will start moving towards CenPac.

I have also lost couple of submarines due to Japanese ASW efforts.

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/28/2006 11:00:49 AM   
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It is now confirmed that CVE Tayho was sunk in Aleutians. This means that IJN lost 4 CVE's, 2 CVL's and 1 CS ship in Aleutians. (At least he took some beating)

Still those US troops refuse leave Dutch Harbour to Umnak. (No adequate supply path that is BS)

I have kept bombing Dutch Harbour and the damage level remains at 100%.

There is now aviation support in Umnak. It can now have 90 aircraft based there once the airfield is a little bigger.

US 4E bombers struck againts Adak for the first time.

Day Air attack on Adak Island , at 98,36
 
Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 86

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed


Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 7


That result was somewhat disappointing to say at least.

Dave made a dogfight assault at Yunan.


Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 9
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35
Ki-21 Sally x 42
Ki-48 Lily x 47
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vb x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vb: 11 destroyed

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Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 8
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 32
Ki-21 Sally x 43
Ki-48 Lily x 44
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vb x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed
Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vb: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 33


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 54


Those Spitfire squadrons are now at Ledo. I have moved 1 US P40E squadron to Yunan to take it's place.

It seems that KB has withdrawn from North Pacific. This could be temporary or it could be a trap.

Those 2 US CV's have now been ordered to move into SF for their upgrades.

British CV + BB Fleet is nearing Wellington in NZ.

Oddly some of my BB's have not yet upgraded allthough their SYS damage is below 5.


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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/28/2006 4:00:05 PM   
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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/28/2006 4:57:08 PM   
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Still those US troops refuse leave Dutch Harbour to Umnak. (No adequate supply path that is BS)


You want them to swim from Umnak Island to Unalaska Island (=Dutch Harbor)?!


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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/28/2006 5:56:06 PM   
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quote:

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Still those US troops refuse leave Dutch Harbour to Umnak. (No adequate supply path that is BS)


You want them to swim from Umnak Island to Unalaska Island (=Dutch Harbor)?!





Damn, I'am getting old!!! There seems to be actual ocean between those bases!!!

Ouch

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RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up! - 7/29/2006 8:07:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		KB still lurks in the area since one of my transport TF was hit near Umnak!


Day Air attack on TF, near Umnak Island at 102,36
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
D3A Val x 15
A6M3a Zero x 36
B5N Kate x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Albireo, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Eridanus, Torpedo hits 1
MSW Starling, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Mintaka, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
MSW Requisite, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Cetus, Shell hits 12, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
AK Crater, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Draco, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage


I have now moved fighter protection to Umnak along with some US Divebombers. This might be first time when we see FU Corsairs in action!

Also I have added US 4E bomb squadron to Kodiak. This now totals around 150 aircraft which are now set on Naval Attack! Hopefully the KB will stick around in range.

My airforce has been busy bombing the airfields at Adak and Dutch Harbour last turn too.

Japanese seem to have gained an upper hand in Yunan.


Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 34
Ki-21 Sally x 36
Ki-48 Lily x 48
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 13 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 2 destroyed

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 70

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Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 31
Ki-21 Sally x 30
Ki-48 Lily x 35
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 9 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 3 destroyed

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 61

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Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 35
Ki-48 Lily x 24
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 38


Not good results. Those Japanese pilots propably do have quite an experience levels behind them.

That was the latest turn. Dave will out until Monday so until than....

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