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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 9:24:57 PM

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hmmm - NJ class and the Oklahoma?

Not having my reference stuff handy, and being rather restricted in my internet meanderings, i'm not sure about the newer ship (i'll guess the New Jersey, but i am almost positive on the Oklahoma. i think this was shortly before they tried to tow her back to the mainland (and she foundered...)

It's the Wisconsin and the Oklahoma. Just look at the friggin' size difference: the Oklahoma was 18,000 tons lighter than the Wisconsin...

Sheesh, given the size difference, i would have guessed more like 30000 tons. Wisconsin looks twice as big!

Of course, the Oklahoma is stripped of lots of stuff and that would make her look smaller (and would also mean she is lighter than her standard displacement...)

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 9:47:46 PM

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Standard displacements:

Oklahoma: 27,500 tons
Wisconsin: 45,000 tons

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 9:58:57 PM

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Standard displacements:

Oklahoma: 27,500 tons
Wisconsin: 45,000 tons

i was not doubting your word!! (but interesting info to know...)

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 10:00:51 PM

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Musicosis strikes... (and no, i have no firecrackers!

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{Refrain}
One toke over the line, sweet Jesus, one toke over the line
Sittin' downtown in a railway station, one toke over the line
Waitin' for the train that goes home, sweet Mary
Hoping that the train is on time
Sittin' downtown in a railway station, one toke over the line

Who do you love, I hope it's me
I've been changing, as you can plainly see
I felt the joy and I learned about the pain that my mama said
If I should choose to make it part of me
Would surely strike me dead, and now I'm

{Refrain}

I sail away, a country mile
And now I'm returning, and showing off my smile
I met all the girls and I loved myself a few, and to my surprise
Like everything else that I've been through
They opened up my eyes, and now I'm

{Refrain}

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 10:02:02 PM

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Find the firecracker, Robert, find it now!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 10:13:47 PM

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well by WWII the Okie was more around 33,500 tons off the top of my head.

Then again an Iowa loaded down would approach 50,000 tons.

Back in their day (around 1915ish) the Nevada and her sister "Standards" were among the largest BB's of their day (if not the largest) The USN had the luxury of time and generous resources (governed by Congress of course) and poured money into the BB's. Course it wasn't all simply for fighting.....creature comforts and other minor details factored in as well.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 10:17:24 PM

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Those snazzy white paint jobs cost money too...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 10:19:12 PM

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indeed....alot of the WWI photos i own showing RN ships had them looking rather dingy, including shortly before the war. Then again, conditions in the North Sea were rather against smart paint jobs. Coal dust adds to the problem.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 10:30:55 PM

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indeed....alot of the WWI photos i own showing RN ships had them looking rather dingy, including shortly before the war. Then again, conditions in the North Sea were rather against smart paint jobs. Coal dust adds to the problem.

In the run up to the war they stripped all the unnecessary fixtures and fittings off slapped loads of nice gray paint over the shiney bits and began squadren training and fleet manoeuvers.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 11:04:16 PM

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Thread.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 11:05:36 PM

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right. Once the war started it would have been even harder to maintain the "spot on" look for long even when schedules allowed. North Sea weather and all. the "luxeries" i referred to were of the more permanent nature. (such as the heads and showers etc etc) I recall from my D K Brown on the Grand Fleet that UK observers made note of the ammenities available on board USN warships vs. their own. Again, more due to bigger pockets than anything.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/5/2006 11:12:36 PM

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It's gonna be an interesting night tonight. The wife and daughter are out for the evening (and most of the weekend too).

In my PBEM it's early July 42 and I've sunk the Yorktown and Sara for damage to 4 of my CVs. One is back in service and another is due in a couple of weeks with the other 2 due back in the fall. I sent the Akagi, Kaga, Zuiho and Shoho to do a little commerce raiding south of Tarawa. They sank a couple of DDs and a couple of AKs and I decided to pull them back to the NW. I don't like keeping my CVs exposed very long. Lucky thing too. I moved north a couple of hexes and, during the next turn, I noticed a TF moving north from Apemama (where I hit his shipping). I thought that was odd. It turned out to be the Hornet and Lexington. Our carriers were 5 hexes apart.

I launched 36 A6M2s and 22 Vals (my Kates are set to 4 hexes). He had 54 F4F-4s (are there 27 or 36 on each carrier in July 42?). I lost 15 Zeros and 2 Vals to 20 of his Wildcats and put 3 eggs into the Hornet (one didn't penetrate

) and one into a CA. I left the Hornet on fire and badly damaged. I don't think she'll sink, but she's out of the war for a bit. We'll see if my subs can score later. In the afternoon, I sent 27 more Zeros escorting 5 Vals (not sure why all the Vals didn't fly - there were about 48 total with 10% scouting). He had 14 Wildcats and some P-40Bs protecting the fleet. After all was said and done, I lost 5 Zeros and a Val to 2 Wildcats and 4 Tomahawks and the Lex had a brand new hole in her deck.

She definitely won't sink, but now he's down to 2 healthy CVs to my 5 CVs (with another about ready and 2 more damaged), 3 CVLs (with another due in a few days) and 2 CVEs.

I just wish I'd get some Tonys and Tojos to try and deal with the masses of 4E death in the southern part of the world.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/6/2006 1:21:13 AM

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Glory to The Thread!!!

All bow down before it and give it homage!!!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/6/2006 1:22:07 AM

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So nice to be off on Fridays......

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/6/2006 2:06:31 AM

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On to 10,000 (or ver 1.9)!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/6/2006 2:07:13 AM

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Methinks we'll see 20,000 first!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/6/2006 3:43:04 AM

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well by WWII the Okie was more around 33,500 tons off the top of my head.

Then again an Iowa loaded down would approach 50,000 tons.

Back in their day (around 1915ish) the Nevada and her sister "Standards" were among the largest BB's of their day (if not the largest) The USN had the luxury of time and generous resources (governed by Congress of course) and poured money into the BB's. Course it wasn't all simply for fighting.....creature comforts and other minor details factored in as well.

You need to remember another US invention..., "All or nothing armor". Most nation's were slaping various thicknesses of armor on BB's wherever thay could. About the time of the Nevada's design, some bright ship designer in the US figured out that if the armor didn't stop a shell, all it did was to give it something hard enough to trigger the rather unsensitive AP fuse and increase the damage. So US design shifted to either puting the heaviest possible armor in place, or none at all.

The Iowa's were designed with extrordinary length to beam ratios to allow that 33 knot speed, but a lot of that length was without belt armor (and it's weight), relying on compartmentalization to limit any damage. The Oklahoma's belt covered a much higher percentage of her length, making the weight difference less than might be expected by just looking at the size.

Okie's weight, like most of the BB's of that era, was increased during the 20's and 30's when extra deck armor, torpedo bulges, and other improvements were incorporated to correct deficiencies revealed during WW I

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 3:46:28 AM

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I am more upset by the fact that the Easter Bunny is giving a Nazi salute.

Looks more like a closed fist than a flat hand. But why would a white bunny be giving a "black power" salute?

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 5:50:07 AM

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The Bolsheviks used the closed fist upraised long before the blacks stole it.

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 6:17:08 AM

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And they no doubt stole the salute from someone else.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/6/2006 6:36:53 AM

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well actually if one wants to get technical....All or Nothing wasn't a US invention but a return to older times before the invention of QF weapons.

and for the last time everyone....the damn bunny is NOT giving a Hitler salute!!!!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 5/6/2006 6:38:47 AM

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Javol, Herr Bunny!

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 6:56:29 AM

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The Bolsheviks used the closed fist upraised long before the blacks stole it.

So it's like those idiot peaceniks saying Winston Churcill's "V for Victory" was really a "peace sign"? Maybe they meant "ertenal peace"?

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 6:59:43 AM

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The Bolsheviks used the closed fist upraised long before the blacks stole it.

Actually I think the closed fist is the ANARCHIST's rather than the BOLSHEVIK's. They still use the clenched red fist on their political banners

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 7:08:27 AM

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Nazis took their salute (and a lot of other iconography) from ancient Romans.

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 7:10:19 AM

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Nope. First used in the Spanish civil war by the communists. Not sure why the anarchists because they are supposed to be anti-government. Communism is most certainly a form of government.

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 8:54:10 AM

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Thread bless us all....but mostly this penguin.....who sees his entire fleet burning before his eyes..........

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 10:03:28 AM

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Bask in the glow.....of the Thread that is. Sorry to hear about the fleet. Good thing penguins can swim.

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 10:08:30 AM

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Nope. First used in the Spanish civil war by the communists. Not sure why the anarchists because they are supposed to be anti-government. Communism is most certainly a form of government.

Just not a very good one...

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RE: The THREAD!!! - 5/6/2006 10:36:09 AM

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It will rain today? Why the weather forecast is a disaster in this period?

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